We should have warned John Lewis to watch his FB page.

[leftofcool]

First Howard Dean, then Jane Goodall and now John Lewis.

https://www.facebook.com/JohnLewis?fref=ts

[hrmjustin]

1. And they go on Union fb pages pretending to be members to trash their endorsements

of Hillary. Very transparent.

[leftofcool]

2. I am beginning to see why PoC are so tired of whitesplaining!

[upaloopa]

3. I don't get why they do that if they have so much faith in their candidate's chances.

A new reason for me to not want Bernie in the White House is his supporters. Are they going to be his advisers? He says it isn't he who is going to change things but his followers. I see them as like toughs who want to enforce their ideals on people. It scares me. I never thought "progressives" could be so mean.

[hrmjustin]

4. Sour grapes and a sense of entitlement.

[William769]

5. Bigots will be bigots.

[Agschmid]

31. .

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:04 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bigots will be bigots.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=20559

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I don't see how to read this post other than saying that it's bigoted to openly disagree with John Lewis over his endorsement of Clinton. I'm tired of DUers and others being attacked as bigots for obvious and reasonable political differences, I hope that you are too.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:15 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad alert. This is about what is written on a politician's Facebook page. There is no reason that the poster can't give his opinion about it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an Alert that is simply trolling to get hides from a Hillary supporter. The OP is correct to make the point that people are harassing anyone who simply endorses a Democratic candidate. John Lewis is AA. Some of those who attack the endorsement are bigots. Bigots will be bigots. The logic of the alerter is flawed to assume that EVERYONE is attacking DUers a bigots - and the behavior of alerting on this logic is most likely an unwarranted attack on a specific person - in fact a personal attack. The alerter should be banned.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, not going to hide. Stop alert trolling, this has nothing to do with DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I visited the FB page in question... and didn't see the posting that this person may have seen. It's entirely possible that some comment on that page was offensive and therefore the response about the "bigots". I think its wrong to call people who respectfully disagree with his endorsement "bigots" in general. however I will let this comment stand simply because it may be an angry response to something someone wrote on fb that was out of bounds.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is referring to a FB page, right? I guess I don't see how that's attacking DUers.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[William769]

41. That is truly sad but not nexpected.

Thanks.

[Cha]

6. I said yesterday on another site.. they better not be throwin' John Lewis under that

silly bus of theirs..

Knowing all the time that they would. That's who they are.

[shenmue]

7. I knew it

[workinclasszero]

8. Anyone claiming to be a progressive

that slams John Lewis is a liar and most likely an undercover republican!

That great american put his life on the line for freedom and he paid a price for it too.

John Lewis is a living, breathing American hero!

[Starry Messenger]

9. Winning hearts and minds.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. It shouldn't have been a surprise that he endorsed her.

This has always been a race between the status quo vs. populace change.

In other words, between established representatives vs. ordinary people.

I'm not saying that as a cut to either Hillary or John Lewis. It's just a reality.

[Iliyah]

17. I would note that Congressman John Lewis is ordinary people,

populace change and is rooted in total reality.

Go Hillary!

[yallerdawg]

11. The dream is over.

John Lewis abandoned Hillary and for some reason fully endorsed Obama in 2008.

I'm sure some quarters of DU were anticipating a similar outsider endorsement from the civil rights icon. This man who gave his blood and committed his life to standing up for others.

It would have been a game-changing endorsement - but seriously, would Rep. Lewis abandon his own Democratic Party to commit to someone who is still only considered an opportunist Democrat by many of us? Who spent most of his life running against and denouncing Democrats?

Please - it was never going to happen, Chafee!

[noiretextatique]

16. exactly what opportunity do you find offensive?

the opportunity to raise the minimum wage to a living wage? or the opportunity to hold wall street and banksters accountable? or perhaps the opportunity to expand medicare? or the opportunity to reform the justice system? what exactly is it about the sanders platform is offensive to you? is it "offensive" to uphold democratic values? what exactly do you find so objectionable about sanders?i really do not understand this.

[Iliyah]

18. This is the HRC Group

I do not go to BS Group to make comments and you should respect our group . . .

[Cha]

25. Exactly, Iliyah.. I just let him know .. he does not come into Hill's Group to campaign for BS.

I certainly wouldn't go into that group and start talking about Hillary.

The Groups have Mission Statements.. and we have to abide by them.

If they're not here to support Hillary then they're disrupting.

[yallerdawg]

33. I think the problem is this OP made the Home Page trending...

and several posters are unaware of this as a "Hillary Group" post and maybe unaware of the group concept of "safe haven."

Then there are the real assholes who want to disrupt DU who are gaming the rules just to burn it all down.

That's what I find so offensive, by the way.

[FloridaBlues]

20. This is Hillary group no snark here

[Cha]

24. All bernie does is talk while others are out there doing the real work. Don't come into Hillary's

Group and think you're going to campaign for him.

There's the whole rest of the board for that.

[noiretextatique]

57. At least you are a consistent cheerleader

Alk cheer...no substance.

[Cha]

58. President Obama has more substance just in his left hand than BS will ever have.. There's lots to

cheer about!

Thank you very much!

[noiretextatique]

56. Thanks for your response

HRC has taught you well.

[Cha]

59. Hillary has "taught you well"?! You replied to yourself.. not sure what you're going on about?

[OilemFirchen]

12. If you hover over the commenters' pictures you'll be totally unsurprised.

Take particular note of the young white couples lecturing Congressman Lewis on civil rights.

[tex-wyo-dem]

13. So, I fail to see the problem...

Looks like a bunch of people who follow JL who happen to be Bernie supporters asking, respectfully, why not Sanders? So what's the issue with that?

Personally, I have the utmost respect for Lewis and respect his endorsement.

[JackInGreen]

14. Same here

I'm seeing some folks being ride but no bombing or "hate".
Do you all think that Congressman Lewis can't answer or that it's awful to disagree?

[leftofcool]

22. Let me write this slowly............

White folks explaining to a Black man and legend that he owes a particular candidate an endorsement because said candidate marched with MLK.

[JackInGreen]

29. Did being an amazing African American

And long time civil rights activist place him so far above having other opinions (assholes or no) posted to a Facebook page? I'm seeing 2 quoted below, I've found a few more since, but by no means are the rude out numbering the civil if contrary.
I'm really not getting this "you're white, you get to have no opinion about african amercan figures/events/history, or if your hold one against the gestalt SHAME *ringring*" thing, maybe it's just me. Some of those people are shitty, some of every slice of people are shitty. If we start basing our judgements on "some of those people are assholes so none of them count." We're stepping backwards.

[leftofcool]

32. Sorry, it isn't about being an asshole.

I am also sorry that you just don't get it. No amount of explaining to you will do any good if you can not see what PoC see. You might post your question in the AA forum and see if that helps.

[JackInGreen]

34. I've got alternative opinion from POC in family

I've shown them to the AA forum as point of reference for my experience with this and resources ive been directed to from there. The opinion was less than positive on the application of the definition here abouts. Its why i asked, the african american community im intimate with are nearer and dearer to me and dont agree. I'll stick with the education I've gotten from them, and shant repeat the....colloquial terms about it.

[Number23]

50. Would love to hear from these family members precisely what the issue they have with the

discussions and "resources" in the AA forum. If you'd be so terribly kind.

[Cha]

23. Something like "..an icon like John Lewis being called a "bought and paid for buffoon." is stupid

and says everything about the BS supporter and absolutely nothing about John Lewis.

Henry Harvell You're bought and paid for bufoon, she accomplished nothing as Secretary of State except for bringing money into the Clinton Foudation,

David Tesler Shame on you, not joining your brother-in-arms in civil rights, Bernie Sanders. You tarnish your reputation with taint that is Hillary D. R.

Yeah, John Lewis isn't "tarnishing" anything.. it's this joker on FB who's "tarnished"..

[JackInGreen]

28. I'm seeing that as rude, yes

But I'm not seeing hate.
unless questioning his decision is hateful, in which case every authority figure I've encountered and questioned or challenged must think I hate them. As to what a few jack-asses opinions, I've seen a lot of vitriol in this primary from every side, but I've yet to one person (or a dozen) that were a good representative of the rest of their side.

[Cha]

30. It's ignorant hate and says everything about the posters and nothing about John Lewis.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. Perhaps I can help? Nobody in this group gives a f**k how BS marched before most of us were born.

He escaped his Brooklyn roots early in life, opting for the very homogenous enclaves of Vermont. That appears to be where his participation in Civil Rights began to wane.

John Lewis, a "Democrat", is not going to endorse an outsider, so BS & Chafee were never going to be an option. He has "Democratic" constituents to answer to. BS is polling in single digits with Af Am "Democrats" in GA. John Lewis obviously isn't impressed with BS, nor am I.

[Number23]

49. I'm trying to figure out why that poster's AA relatives have such a problem with the AA forum

on DU and have such "colorful" language about the "resources" they've seen in the forum?? According to that poster, of course

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. I wouldn't lose one moment's sleep worrying about newcomers who may or may not be AA, or have "AA...

relatives". Where have they been all this time? And what's with their newfound interest in this particular group?

[ismnotwasm]

43. So incredibly sick -- and for what?

This is an Internet-wide phenomena, it's so bizarre.

[Cha]

48. It is "an Internet wide phenomena." Not a couple of isolated instances.. that's what makes it

so sick and bizarre.

And, I'm thinking John Lewis knew this was coming because it has been so prevalent.. and, couldn't care less.

The country is more important than what the vicious swarmers are spewing at those who don't endorse Bernie Sanders or even question him.

[leftofcool]

21. Its called whitesplainin!

[Cha]

27. You didn't go far enough down, then..

Henry Harvell You're bought and paid for bufoon, she accomplished nothing as Secretary of State except for bringing money into the Clinton Foudation,

David Tesler Shame on you, not joining your brother-in-arms in civil rights, Bernie Sanders. You tarnish your reputation with taint that is Hillary D. R.

Glad you respect Rep John Lewis and respect his endorsement.. thank you.

[George II]

38. John Lewis has LIVED the Civil Right Movement every day of his life, even before 1963.

He wakes up every morning as part of the Civil Rights Movement, and he goes to bed at night as part of the Civil Rights Movement.

He has been one of the most influential politicians, not just influential black politicians, for decades.

Who in this country today has worked harder and longer for the rights of black Americans AND all Americans than John Lewis? I really can't think of anyone.

Even if I disagreed with him I wouldn't have the chutzpah to go on HIS facebook page to tell him. But if I did, I would be respectful instead of post some of those rude comments we see there.

He should be respected, not criticized.

[Cha]

39. I wouldn't either, George.. just more 'splainin' to the civil rights icon from BS fans, that's

going nowhere.

[tishaLA]

15. Very sad to see

an icon like John Lewis being called a "bought and paid for buffoon."

I think we can all try to do better than those kinds of comments.

ETA: Sorry. Didn't realize I was in the HRC group.

[SunSeeker]

19. K & R for exposure. nt

[Cha]

26. I Liked It and Hillary did, too! And, I left a comment.. watch the BS fans jump on me.. give JL a

break.

[Gothmog]

35. The attacks on Congressman John Lewis are really stupid

[BooScout]

36. Omg....they are lecturing John Lewis on Civil Rights!

Absolutely stunning.....not to mention incredibly stupid.

[George II]

37. Really makes you wonder about the "power of social media", doesn't it?

[stonecutter357]

40. A great endorsement from a great man.

[MADem]

42. Most of those whiners don't even live in his district.

There are a few who do, but most of them are from other STATES, and a lot of 'em sound like Republicans!

Sounds like a "GIT 'IM!!" campaign to me--someone let the word go forth, and everyone swarmed to the page.

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. John is in good company. Just ask black bloggers & journalists who ran afoul of the BS brigade.

Even right here on DU, we've had black posters targeted & threatening messages sent to their homes. If I was resistant to BS before, I'm even more resolved that I will N-E-V-E-R support him, because I don't trust the people who do.

[Walk away]

46. I'm sure Bernie supporters will just tell him that he is too stupid to know who to vote for!

They will most likely school him about how much BS has done for him and explain that, if only he was more familiar with Bernie, he would vote the right way!

[Jamaal510]

47. Those commenters have no class

or regard at all for people who they disagree with.

[Number23]

51. I don't normally post here but Chitown Kev just showed me some Kos diaries where black diarists

there are FURIOUS, damn near spitting over the attacks on John Lewis and even white diarists are clearly, openly and LOUDLY slamming Sanders supporters that have trashed this man's Facebook page for endorsing Hillary.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/08/1429216/-The-meaning-of-life-long-civil-rights-activist-for-me#
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118728814#post52

I cannot express how furious I am about this myself.

[stonecutter357]

53. wow just wow.

[sufrommich]

54. As I said in another thread,the misplaced rage of Bernie supporters will

get worse as we get closer to primary elections that don't go their way. They're building quite a negative reputation across the nets.

[Walk away]

55. What about the Bernie supporter here at DU, who called his office twice...

trying to prove he never endorsed Hillary? Bernie's campaign (his people) get more desperate every day.