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Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:38 AM Jan 2016

Slate: Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate

With a strong defense of President Obama, she got the better of Bernie Sanders.

illary Clinton’s superb debate performance on Sunday raised an unsettling question: If she can be this consistently good on a debate stage, why can’t she replicate that impressiveness on the campaign trail or in interviews? Clinton was once again in superior form Sunday night in South Carolina, besting Sen. Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley in the last Democratic debate before the Iowa caucus.

Clinton’s debating performance is formidable because it combines her intelligence with a sincerity and level of conviction that often seem absent in other forums. When she opened the debate speaking of Martin Luther King Jr.’s role fighting for increased wages, she used his career as a subtle metaphor for what she is pitching: principled leadership with a strong practical bent. That mixture, along with her strength in close-quarter combat and an ability to wrap herself in President Obama’s record—something that played well to the Charleston crowd in the auditorium—was what won her this debate.

Clinton had several strong moments Sunday night. “Ninety people a day die from gun violence in this country,” she noted, before going on to attack Sanders’ record on the Second Amendment, methodically reciting a series of his Congressional votes. For some reason Sanders still struggles when pressed on his gun rights votes; he called Clinton “disingenuous” and said that guns “should not be a political issue.” Sanders has run an impressive race and is challenging Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire, but Clinton’s ability to bring him to earth and seem like just another politician—his weird, Trump-like quoting of polls tonight didn’t help—is remarkable. (The moderators helped her tonight by making it appear as if Sanders had changed or updated a number of his positions.)

The same dynamic occurred when the subject turned to health care. Clinton’s attack on Sanders’ support for a single-payer system is, er, “disingenuous” (as Jim Newell pointed out in Slate last week). But the way she attacked Sanders on the issue tonight was effective: She essentially claimed that Sanders’s plan would cause a huge amount of disruption in Obamacare, and thus reopen the battle that has barely ended over the president’s signature program. Sanders needs to figure out a way to answer this criticism, but he certainly didn’t do so tonight.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/hillary_clinton_bests_bernie_sanders_in_democratic_debate_in_charleston.html
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Slate: Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate (Original Post) Rose Siding Jan 2016 OP
Hillary Clinton had a great debate tonight Gothmog Jan 2016 #1
Certainly! Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #2
She is very capable, she is doing work to get elected. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #3
She rose to the occasion tonight! Kath1 Jan 2016 #4
Yes indeed. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #5
Hillary ruled. Big time. (eom) oasis Jan 2016 #6
K&R! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #7
That's our Madame POTUS to be.. guns.. "should not be a political issue.”?!! WTH, BS?! Cha Jan 2016 #8
But, but, but....internet searches for Bernie! kjones Jan 2016 #9
Another debate victory for Hillary workinclasszero Jan 2016 #10
Yep shenmue Jan 2016 #11
It's scary stuff... CSStrowbridge Jan 2016 #15
I believe that many of those so-called murielm99 Jan 2016 #20
From opening statement to closing on Flint, she RULED. nt MADem Jan 2016 #12
She certainly did ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #13
Thank you for this>>>>>> Cha Jan 2016 #14
The very first sentence frames the whole subject wrong though OKNancy Jan 2016 #16
Which reminds me... Rose Siding Jan 2016 #17
When some admit it was a draw says Hillary was the definite winner. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #18
She was so good mcar Jan 2016 #19

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
4. She rose to the occasion tonight!
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

She kicked ass and did it with style and a smile. And she will easily defeat any Rethug they throw out there in the GE.

Cha

(296,846 posts)
8. That's our Madame POTUS to be.. guns.. "should not be a political issue.”?!! WTH, BS?!
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jan 2016

thank you, Rose!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
10. Another debate victory for Hillary
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:36 AM
Jan 2016

Certainly doesn't fit the propaganda in general discussion primaries or the front page now, does it?

Go Hillary!

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
15. It's scary stuff...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:02 AM
Jan 2016

It's scary stuff when one side completely ignores the polls that go against them and trumpets the outliers.

There was a recent poll that had Hillary Clinton up by 21 points in Iowa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Iowa_Gravis_Jan_2016.pdf

I don't remember seeing it on the front page, because Hillary Clinton supporters know it is an outlier and therefore very likely wrong.

Hillary Clinton is dominating the endorsement race. Yet I only see stories here when Bernie Sanders gets an endorsement, or when people were attacking Planned Parenthood for endorsing Hillary Clinton.

I'm worried Bernie Sanders' supporters will be completely blindsided by a Hillary Clinton win and will think she stole the nominations through some underhanded means. If this happens, they might not vote for her in the general election.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
20. I believe that many of those so-called
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders supporters were never Democrats in the first place, and have no intention of voting for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is.

If this were not so, we would not be seeing so many RW talking points parroted here.

There are higher ups in the repubbie party calling for people to support Bernie. They know he would be easy to beat in the general.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
16. The very first sentence frames the whole subject wrong though
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:03 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton’s superb debate performance on Sunday raised an unsettling question: If she can be this consistently good on a debate stage, why can’t she replicate that impressiveness on the campaign trail or in interviews?

She does do well on the trail and in interviews. That's some sort of meme that is out there. She is a bad campaigner.
That is just cockeyed.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
17. Which reminds me...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jan 2016

First, yes, totally agree about framing sentence, especially when the rest is so thoughtful.

But re: being great in interviews, this one from a few nights ago really captured my heart. The questions were good -just about her and her process. But it really made me think about all the extra effort it takes, as a woman, for her to communicate with the public. She has to share her passion about things without waving her arms or raising her voice. She has to be strong but calm, forceful but in modulated tones.



Seeing the debate tonight, and the guys getting shouty, looking angry, gesticulating wildly, I was really aware of the challenge for her and how successful she is at what she does. You could almost see the effort in the couple of times she cut loose. It's like double duty.

At least no hoop skirts were involved. lol I guess
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