Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumDana Milbank: I LOVE Bernie. And Democrats would be INSANE to nominate him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html. . . . And I doubt Democrats will make an anti-immigrant bigot the president by nominating a socialist to run against him.
Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.
Watching Sanders at Monday nights Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump or another Republican nominee would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.
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But thats not how Republicans will define socialism and theyll have the dictionary on their side. Theyll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. Theyll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldnt be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists dont win national elections in the United States .
Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases one of the biggest tax hikes in history, as moderator Chris Cuomo put it to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that hypothetically, youre going to pay $5,000 more in taxes, and declared, W e will raise taxes, yes we will. He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that its demagogic to say, oh, youre paying more in taxes.
Well, yes and Trump is a demagogue.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)question everything
(47,434 posts)He expressed his observation.
I don't mind if Hillary wins by voters "holding their nose." I've done it too many times. As long as she wins.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)He sounds more and more like it every day and always seems wishy-washy. Not to ever be believed or quoted.
Molusko
(26 posts)Ever since he used a very ugly term in reference to Hillary Clinton.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Already failed when he sponsored a bill to do the same. If he hasn't convinced the majority of the Democrats then I doubt he will with the Republicans.
SunSeeker
(51,512 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Back in 1991, when Bernie was still new to Congress, progressive icon Barney Frank said of him, Bernie alienates his natural allies. His holier-than-thou attitudesaying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone elsereally undercuts his effectiveness.
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/26/i_have_had_it_with_naive_bernie_sanders_idealists/
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)of their cranky but lovable old grandpa -- and many young people prefer grandparents to parents, who have to deal with the day-to-day issues.
But to a lot of people in my generation, he's just the cranky old guy down the street who's always telling everyone what to do and is sure he knows better than anyone else.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)He comes across as mean. Who, besides anarchists, would blindly follow a mean man who's disliked by everyone who has worked with him?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Shaddup!!! You don't have the microphone!!!!
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Damn, that's one mean man. And people want him to represent our nation around the world? Yikes!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)I don't think BS could inspire the kind of loyalty needed to move legislation. Afterall, his legislative successes, after decades on the Hill, is sparse to say the least.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Those 535 supers on the Hill KNOW him.
And that is why they overwhelmingly did not ENDORSE him--save for an outlier or two.
He does evoke the Ted Cruz factor. He's not reading Dr. Seuss on the floor of the Senate, but he's polarizing and divisive, and he's insufferable, apparently, when dealing with his peers.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Like you said, they work with him, and know him much better than I do, so I'm following their lead here. If Barbara Lee, arguably the most liberal legislator in Congress has lined up behind his opponent, that tells me all I need to know.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She might get stuffed under that bus, liberal bona fides notwithstanding!!!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)BS'ers went after him. It reminded me of when he was spat on walking through that gauntlet of TeaBaggers, during the ACA debate. I have to believe that these are trolls, and not actual BS "supporters", or we're in much bigger trouble than I thought.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The Trump-ification of the American political process, from the left or the right, is an ugly thing to see...
murielm99
(30,717 posts)He sold out! Barney bad! Bernie good!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)once they unleash their billions against him. And who will his allies be in Congress? As a non-Democrat, there's no built in loyalty to Sanders from Democrats, and the other party will laugh him out of the room. Just look at who has endorsed him so far. I don't have much hope that his agenda will have legs.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)There's a good reason he has had so few endorsements, and it's not just because he wasn't a Dem till recently.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)I'm going to follow their lead for now. Barbara Lee, who is probably seen as the most liberal Congressperson on the Hill has endorsed his opponent. You would think the Progressive Caucus would be falling all over themselves to endorse the guy, but they're not. That tells me everything I need to know about him.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You can't spend a career berating and looking down your nose at your ostensible peers and expect them to have your back.
SunSeeker
(51,512 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Bernie has zero chance of winning the presidency. All those guns pointed at Hillary would destroy his campaign if he is the nominee Frankly I could not care less about Sanders campaign be destroyed but he will drag the Dem party down with him and then go back to Vermont and go back to being an Independent again..
It's why I loathe him.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)at Fox undercard debate.
The Fox moderators and Huckabee are incredulous that Sanders could be the Democratic nominee - it's like an impossibility that a socialist could be president.
No, they have not gotten started on what they consider the longest of shots - but it wouldn't be a problem!
That dang Hillary - now she's a problem!