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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:36 PM Jan 2016

Dana Milbank: I LOVE Bernie. And Democrats would be INSANE to nominate him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html

. . . . And I doubt Democrats will make an anti-immigrant bigot the president by nominating a socialist to run against him.

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.

SNIP

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.”

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.
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Dana Milbank: I LOVE Bernie. And Democrats would be INSANE to nominate him. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2016 OP
He's right, BUT I loathe Dana Milbank. Metric System Jan 2016 #1
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #12
Exactly. And, I don't even like bernie. So there's that. Cha Jan 2016 #23
Don't shoot the messagner question everything Jan 2016 #24
dana milbank has been a rw tool.. we can loathe him if we want. Cha Jan 2016 #25
That has always been my opinion of him. Libertarian. Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #27
Me as well Molusko Jan 2016 #30
He has not sold his "socialist" to us and his Medicare for All has Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #2
He couldn't even convince Vermont. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #15
Barney Frank has had Bernie's number for many years now..... MADem Jan 2016 #3
Yup. I get that many young people love him because he reminds them pnwmom Jan 2016 #5
My gut reaction to him is how much he reminds me of John McCain. displacedtexan Jan 2016 #11
I think he comes off as mean, too. MADem Jan 2016 #17
Wow! I'd hate for him to bite me! displacedtexan Jan 2016 #22
Ditto. BS would be our Ted Cruz. I understand that his "allies" on the Hill can't stand him either. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #6
There is a reason that he is treated like he's got rabies amongst the super-delegate set. MADem Jan 2016 #8
His opponent has racked up nearly 460 endorsements from elected Democrats. He has 2. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #13
Barbara had best watch out!! MADem Jan 2016 #14
As John Lewis can attest, she'll be in excellent company. I felt so sorry for him when the rabid.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #18
I hope you're right too--otherwise, we're screwed. MADem Jan 2016 #19
But Barney is under the bus! murielm99 Jan 2016 #28
He sure is! There are so many people under that bus, the wheels don't touch the road anymore! nt MADem Jan 2016 #29
Dana's right. They have kept their powder dry on BS for good reason. Let's see how electable he is.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #4
He has spent his career scolding Democrats for not being pure enough. pnwmom Jan 2016 #7
Two endorsements from elected Democrats. That speaks volumes to me. They know him best &.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #9
+1 Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #26
And they'll let him twist in the wind, too, I suspect. MADem Jan 2016 #10
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2016 #16
Milbank is spot on. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #20
Mike Huckabee said it tonight... yallerdawg Jan 2016 #21

question everything

(47,434 posts)
24. Don't shoot the messagner
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

He expressed his observation.

I don't mind if Hillary wins by voters "holding their nose." I've done it too many times. As long as she wins.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
27. That has always been my opinion of him. Libertarian.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jan 2016

He sounds more and more like it every day and always seems wishy-washy. Not to ever be believed or quoted.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. He has not sold his "socialist" to us and his Medicare for All has
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

Already failed when he sponsored a bill to do the same. If he hasn't convinced the majority of the Democrats then I doubt he will with the Republicans.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. Barney Frank has had Bernie's number for many years now.....
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016
Back in 1991, when Bernie was still new to Congress, progressive icon Barney Frank said of him, “Bernie alienates his natural allies. His holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.”



http://www.salon.com/2016/01/26/i_have_had_it_with_naive_bernie_sanders_idealists/

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
5. Yup. I get that many young people love him because he reminds them
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

of their cranky but lovable old grandpa -- and many young people prefer grandparents to parents, who have to deal with the day-to-day issues.

But to a lot of people in my generation, he's just the cranky old guy down the street who's always telling everyone what to do and is sure he knows better than anyone else.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
11. My gut reaction to him is how much he reminds me of John McCain.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:17 PM
Jan 2016

He comes across as mean. Who, besides anarchists, would blindly follow a mean man who's disliked by everyone who has worked with him?

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
22. Wow! I'd hate for him to bite me!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

Damn, that's one mean man. And people want him to represent our nation around the world? Yikes!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
6. Ditto. BS would be our Ted Cruz. I understand that his "allies" on the Hill can't stand him either.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jan 2016

I don't think BS could inspire the kind of loyalty needed to move legislation. Afterall, his legislative successes, after decades on the Hill, is sparse to say the least.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. There is a reason that he is treated like he's got rabies amongst the super-delegate set.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

Those 535 supers on the Hill KNOW him.

And that is why they overwhelmingly did not ENDORSE him--save for an outlier or two.

He does evoke the Ted Cruz factor. He's not reading Dr. Seuss on the floor of the Senate, but he's polarizing and divisive, and he's insufferable, apparently, when dealing with his peers.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
13. His opponent has racked up nearly 460 endorsements from elected Democrats. He has 2.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

Like you said, they work with him, and know him much better than I do, so I'm following their lead here. If Barbara Lee, arguably the most liberal legislator in Congress has lined up behind his opponent, that tells me all I need to know.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Barbara had best watch out!!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jan 2016

She might get stuffed under that bus, liberal bona fides notwithstanding!!!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
18. As John Lewis can attest, she'll be in excellent company. I felt so sorry for him when the rabid....
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jan 2016

BS'ers went after him. It reminded me of when he was spat on walking through that gauntlet of TeaBaggers, during the ACA debate. I have to believe that these are trolls, and not actual BS "supporters", or we're in much bigger trouble than I thought.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. I hope you're right too--otherwise, we're screwed.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016

The Trump-ification of the American political process, from the left or the right, is an ugly thing to see...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. He sure is! There are so many people under that bus, the wheels don't touch the road anymore! nt
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jan 2016

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
4. Dana's right. They have kept their powder dry on BS for good reason. Let's see how electable he is..
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jan 2016

once they unleash their billions against him. And who will his allies be in Congress? As a non-Democrat, there's no built in loyalty to Sanders from Democrats, and the other party will laugh him out of the room. Just look at who has endorsed him so far. I don't have much hope that his agenda will have legs.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
7. He has spent his career scolding Democrats for not being pure enough.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

There's a good reason he has had so few endorsements, and it's not just because he wasn't a Dem till recently.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
9. Two endorsements from elected Democrats. That speaks volumes to me. They know him best &....
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

I'm going to follow their lead for now. Barbara Lee, who is probably seen as the most liberal Congressperson on the Hill has endorsed his opponent. You would think the Progressive Caucus would be falling all over themselves to endorse the guy, but they're not. That tells me everything I need to know about him.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. And they'll let him twist in the wind, too, I suspect.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

You can't spend a career berating and looking down your nose at your ostensible peers and expect them to have your back.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
20. Milbank is spot on.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie has zero chance of winning the presidency. All those guns pointed at Hillary would destroy his campaign if he is the nominee Frankly I could not care less about Sanders campaign be destroyed but he will drag the Dem party down with him and then go back to Vermont and go back to being an Independent again..

It's why I loathe him.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
21. Mike Huckabee said it tonight...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

at Fox undercard debate.

The Fox moderators and Huckabee are incredulous that Sanders could be the Democratic nominee - it's like an impossibility that a socialist could be president.

No, they have not gotten started on what they consider the longest of shots - but it wouldn't be a problem!

That dang Hillary - now she's a problem!

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