Well folks I guess I'm done here

[workinclasszero]

I'm tired of the right wing lies about Hillary spread by Bernie backers.

One of them told a Hillary backer to just get out of DU tonight like they own the place. So I alerted on it and guess what happened?

I found out that indeed Bernie backers do own this board.
Voted me down and insulted me in the jury comments as well!

So I've had a belly full of these republican stalking horses for Cruz/Walker/Bush I'm outta here. Maybe I can come back after Hillary wins the nomination like we all know she will. We will see how many of these purists are actually democrats then! Not very damn many I bet!

Take care all

[chillfactor]

1. agreed...

I think Bernie would be ashamed of the posts his "supporters" here post and their attacks on Hillary....their posts really are horrific....I was neutral about Hillary and Bernie.....but I am really beginning to be more supportive of Hillary based on what I read here...

[hrmjustin]

23. Good post and thank you.

[bvf]

2. Take care.

"I'm tired of the right wing lies about Hillary spread by Bernie backers."

Before you go, do you have any citations for these? This is a sincere question.

[hrmjustin]

13. Look through GD.

[procon]

51. That's a whole different problem. nt

[hrmjustin]

52. Gd is full of Hillary detractors.

Sometimes I feel like blocking gd from my account.

[sheshe2]

110. Hey Justin,

You are not going anywhere. We need you here.

[hrmjustin]

112. Thank you she!

[bvf]

85. Read my question again, please. n/t.

[hrmjustin]

86. The poster is gone and won't be responding.

Hope the poster comes back soon.

[bvf]

87. Same here, since I'd appreciate an answer

more substantial than "go look it up."

[hrmjustin]

88. Well I hopeyou get your answer but my point was GD is full of it.

Welcome to the Hilkary Clinton Room.

[bvf]

89. I certainly don't expect you to presume to speak

for anyone else.

Hopefully someone can point me to a lie about Hillary posted by a Sanders supporter in GD.

[hrmjustin]

90. Are you a Hillary supporter?

[OKNancy]

91. no...

[hrmjustin]

94. Thanks.

[leftofcool]

3. Don't you dare leave!

Bernie backers are just like Rand Paul supporters. They share the same ideologies plus they believe Bernie shits only rainbows, the same way teabaggers believe about Paul. They will all be gone once Hillary wins the nomination.

[bbgrunt]

65. a good look in the mirror may be in order.

[hrmjustin]

66. I beg your pardon?

[redstateblues]

78. More like Ron Paul supporters

smaller in numbers than Rand

[freshwest]

4. I hear you, I'm not welcome here, either. And you can alert the ugliness in the jury report, too.

Those go directly to the Admins - or more specifically, IIRC, Skinner. I can't see one thread supporting Bernie in GD that doesn't have a backhanded remark about HRC supporters.

I only have seen one *alleged* HRC supporter dissing the Sanders crowd. What's hard to grasp is that Sanders would not sink to this level. I've seen HRC supporters, including the much maligned DNC chair Debbie WS and HRC herself, and HRC fans welcome him to the race.

But I still see t totally unnecesary bashing of Obama and Hillary that is truly personal, as they have no facts. Just RW propanda. Debunk it they repeat it again. I'm pretty sure even though the Admins won't admit it, that they are not Democrats, despite some have been here for years. I mean, a person can change their mind and love Libertarians, right?

A number of posts are being made that are part of those websites. Remember some Libertarians say they are the 'real libeals.' Ring a bell?

If you go find another place let us know where. Myself after having been flamed badly for pointing the negativity in ONE post, the regular PBO and HRC bashers all lined up, on what I saw was a good thing, Bernie signing up.

it's very likely that poster may have been a Democrats but aren't any longer. I don't bash any Democrat, don't put water on the flames of joy for anyone else's, but too many of them sure do here. That is red flag to a GOP bull.

I've been into online politics for about 20 years and IRL since 1960 but now I truly wonder who I am spendign the limited number of hearbeats I have on this planet.Now I have NO enthusiasm for any candidate now now that I've become estrange and I'll vote next year for the Democratic nominee. I'm about done myself. They will be happy when we leave. And a number of people are leaving or posting less. So it goes.

But I appreciaed your posts.

[OKNancy]

5. yes, we have had people leave recently

or at least only lurk and not post.
I've been tempted myself.
There is a level of meanness that is hard to tolerate.

[freshwest]

22. The level is high, and you know, I never, not even in supporting PBO, got the ugliness that I got

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for supporting HRC promoting her vision. In a positive way, which is NOT allowed by some here. So I am persona non gratia, I have not met their standards. It always hits me this way:



Cults don't allow dissent, questions or mild disagreements. We think it's all on the right, but that is not true. I don't want to have to deal with this. Life is hard enough. I'm about out of here myself. I didn't sign up for this level of unwarraned, illogical abuse.

Even threads started by positive Sanders supporters who praise HRC and want party unity, get scant attention and then the obligatory CDS reply comes for suggesting that Democrats should go through the process and support the party and that's the end of the process.

The healing stops there. If one even mentions there is negativity that is turning one off, they line up with the insults and go into attack mode. It's OTT and the kind of extremism that is associated with the right.

Several well known posters have said they are out of here because of sexism and racism. I can't blame them, no, not at all.

I appreciate your keeping things going here, but it's demoralizing to many of us to see this mania. It is not going to die down. I appreciate all those who give encouragement to those of us who feel a profound lack of respect for the party, the process and ourselves as DUers.

[hrmjustin]

24. I have my moments when I feel like leaving.

Hope it gets better.

[leftofcool]

6. Don't you dare leave either.

The irony level is about to get fun. Just wait until Bernie supporters find out that he voted for giving immunity to gun manufacturers. Wanna make some bets on the responses? They will be fun.

[onehandle]

9. One of his biggest boosters here is a full-on gungeoneer.

So my guess is that they will collectively shrug.

[leftofcool]

11. No doubt!

[MADem]

41. Sanders got an "F" from the NRA. Why would a gun nut support him?

Sounds to me like a little CHAOS at play....


http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

[Florencenj2point0]

83. Don't leave

just post positive comments and better yet fact filled diaries onher behalf. Then refuse to be pulled in to the petty bs.

[Cha]

97. Consider the source of those who think they "own the board" and go around posting

rw crap if it suits their agenda.. and don't want us here. They think they'd like to have it purged but then who would be left to insult with their mean spirited crap?

Actually they own shite. Skinner, EarlG, and Elad own this board.. and we know for sure that Skinner just happens to be a Hillary supporter.. just like he supported President Obama.

And, yes, Senator Sanders would be "disappointed" in some of his bully supporters on DU dropping insults right and left to those who don't think like they do.

[sheshe2]

109. When one needs

to beat another person and their supporters to the ground to show us their candidate's worth, that is not much of a supporter. It makes them mean ugly bullies. That is a fact.

I agree with all here that say Bernie would not support these actions. Bernie is not a bully.

PS~ You are not going anywhere, okay? We need you here.

[quickesst]

7. 220,839...

... registered members. And these few think they are the majority. I kind of think a small portion of Democratic Underground snuck off, had an affair with Fox News, and those posting here now are the result of that ill conceived union. Let's see. Bashing, anger, crowing, desperation, and finally, more bashing. Full circle. Name suggestion. Fox DUlder. You can sign me..
quickesst
Primary Clinton supporter
GE Democratic candidate supporter
Member here since 2004
Lurker

[NanceGreggs]

47. That 220,839 number ...

... represents every single person who has registered here since 2001, including those who have moved on, passed on, been banned, etc.

The actual number of participating posters at this point? I'd put it at a couple of hundred, if that - and that includes the RW trolls who pose as "disgruntled Democrats", and have never said a positive thing about the Party, its representatives, or its members.

[hrmjustin]

48. I think we have 300 to 500 posters who post on a weekly basis.

[NanceGreggs]

49. That number seems high to me ...

... only because I see the same names over and over.

Of course, I never go into a lot of the various groups - no doubt there are posters who restrict themselves to certain areas of the site they are particularly interested in, so I may never come across them.

But in GD, I see the same posters again and again.

[hrmjustin]

50. Probably 100 post daily but...

...300 to 500 probably post once a week.

[NanceGreggs]

69. Oh, I see what you're saying now.

Posters who only post once a week or so - yeah, their names wouldn't necessarily register with me.

As for the "regulars" who are here all the time, their numbers are nowhere near what they used to be.

[hrmjustin]

70. Agreed. Last year there were several hundred more regulars that have gond missing.

[quickesst]

68. ok...

...maybe the wrong numbers but I did not say active users. I was more less referring to all of those who like myself do not post much or any at all, but will still be voting. my money is on HRC. anyway, this reminds me of why I don't post much. I'm not very good at it. Returning to lurker status in 3...2......1

[NanceGreggs]

71. I didn't mean anything detrimental by that. Sorry.

It's just that I see posters sometimes confusing that "registered members" number interchangeably with an "active users" number, when they're two different things.

[onehandle]

8. By this time next year, Hillary will soundly have the nomination.

It is tempting to walk away until then.

It'll get better when O'Malley and others declare.

[hrmjustin]

25. +1

[MoonRiver]

10. Yes, rational debate is impossible over there.

I hate conflict so I'll pretty much avoid GD until after the primary.

[Thinkingabout]

12. Don't leave because of a few posters, yes we have stalkers very intent on causing problems.

I have been stalked also but my new offense is to ignore the dumb questions.

[hrmjustin]

14. I got into an argument yesterday with one of them as well.

Do you have a link to your alert. Pm me it please.

[Gothmog]

15. Living in Texas, I have a high tolerance for BS and dumb arguments

I encounter a great deal of stupidity on DI and in the real world. The best way to deal with this is to ignore it and not let it get to you. Instead focus on the facts and the big picture. HRC is very likely going to be the Democratic nominee. The Sanders campaign will make HRC a stronger candidate in a number of ways including removing the concept that she is not battle tested and that the process is a coronation. Bernie will make HRC look more reasonable to voters than Sanders. America is still a center right country.

DU does not reflect the real world or the vast bulk of the Democratic Party. The one group that is the most likely to support Bernie is concentrated on DU. The Bernie fans have found a candidate that they like and that is good for them. If the base of DU controlled who would be the nominee then Dennis Kucinich would have been the party's nominee at least once.

I like Sanders and admire his positions on many issues. However, I do not think that Sanders is viable in a general election. If you ask the Sanders supporters how Bernie will compete with the Kochs, they have no answer other than to say that big money in politics is bad. If you ask Bernie's supporters as to how he will win a general election the best that they can come up with is the Democratic advantage in the electoral college sometimes referred to as the Democratic Blue Wall. That advantage only comes into play when there are competitive candidates running who are well financed. There are some good demographic trends underlying the concept of this advantage in the electoral college but those advantages require a well financed and viable candidate.

As for the use of right wing talking points, call the Bernie supporters out on this. Sanders would not be happy to find that his supporters are using Brietbart and Newsmax sources to attack HRC. Sanders will not want to win this race by tearing HRC down and point that out to his supporters.

Please continue posting and remember that this room is a safe place. Keep the big picture in mind and thank the Bernie supporters for helping to make HRC a stronger candidate for the general election

[SusanCalvin]

26. Great post, thank you.

Can I post here with a Bernie avatar?

I'm all for Bernie and I think he can win, but I appreciate your POV, as you seem to have a lot more experience than I do.

I have not personally seen the nastiness referenced, but I would deplore it if I had and will if I do.

[Gothmog]

32. This is nothing compared to some of the fights between the Obama and HRC supports in 2008

It got nasty in 2008 and I was on the credentials committee for my county SD convention for some of these fights. Feelings ran strong back then but the party came back together. We had some interesting fights back in 2008 including a challenge to the credentials of all of my county's delegates to the state convention (which challenge was overruled). I expect there to be some nastiness between now and the primaries but that the party will rally behind a candidate. Again, I will support and vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee

As for dealing with nastiness, come to some meetings with tea party types. I am a county wide committee with my party chair and the chair of the local republican party chair. The first meeting was a great deal of fun but I do not mind conflict.

I am not the group chair for this group but I do not care if you have a Bernie avatar.

[SusanCalvin]

35. Wow, I would love to hear more stories.

I am in TX as well, and here longer than my post count would indicate.

[Gothmog]

93. What part of Texas are you in?

[SusanCalvin]

106. Houston area.

How about you?

[Gothmog]

116. I work in Houston but live in Fort Bend County

I like Lane Lewis and have worked with the Harris County party

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. Yep ...

As for the use of right wing talking points, call the Bernie supporters out on this. Sanders would not be happy to find that his supporters are using Brietbart and Newsmax sources to attack HRC. Sanders will not want to win this race by tearing HRC down and point that out to his supporters.

Maybe, his supporters will listen.

[Gothmog]

92. I am not counting on this

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. I know ...

Sighhhh

[Gothmog]

96. Look, I have a high tolerance for BS

The attacks by the Bernie supporters so far on HRC are weak and unfocused. It will get worse but I am not really worried

[1StrongBlackMan]

99. LOL ...

Being a Black man in America ... my B.S. tolerance capacitor comes from the factory set at 10+. But I suspect the "Bernie Supporters" attacking HRC are merely anti-HRC supporters ... you know, the enemy of my enemy thing.

[Gothmog]

101. As a member of the bar, you also have a higher tolerance for BS

You cannot survive law school without some tolerance for BS

[1StrongBlackMan]

103. True ... Very true ...

One day I'll tell you about my Contracts Professor ... the designated "first year weeder."

But, let me share a law school story ... we were in our Criminal Law class, waiting on the professor. We were study Mens rea.

Just as the Professor walked in, one of my class mates said, "Professor X (the designated Torts 1st year weeder) is such a prick!"

The Professor stopped and asked, "I've often wondered, what exactly is a prick" and the class mate responded, "A prick is a dick with malice aforethought!"

The Professor laughed, but was so amused by the answer that he couldn't proceed with the class.

[okasha]

105. I like that!

Thanks.

[Gothmog]

121. Law School war stories are always fun

[1StrongBlackMan]

124. I have a ton ...

Like the time I called my Professional Responsibilities (Ethics) Prof, unethical. Boy did he get angry.

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. It is so ugly on du right now

It reminds me of the last primary season in which a number of good demos were driven from the site.

[hrmjustin]

17. So sorry about that hide you got and that poster will not be posting in this room again.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. I expected it when I responded

I went too far. But, he deserved to get his hand slapped for his behavior.

[hrmjustin]

19. I hate banning her but she knew where she was.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. It's all good

You are doing a great job.

[hrmjustin]

21. Thanks.

[Iliyah]

27. Majority of the DUers are not like that at all.

The few with constant hatred towards a political person I think overall reflects a personal agenda not supported by this site but are from other sources. Sometimes I read a few threads and to me its like elementary school all over again, something you would find on a RW site.

[ann---]

28. The more I read some

of the posts in DU, the more I am glad that I am not registered as a Democrat (or Republican).
I am registered as "no party affiliation" and will stay that way. I am a proud liberal-minded
person who has never voted for a Republican yet. But, I think the Dems may be losing their
way.

[hrmjustin]

29. What does that mean?

[ann---]

30. It means

that blind loyalty to a party is not a good thing. And, it also means
that I thought being "liberal-minded" meant being tolerant. Sometimes
the way people treat each other here, it doesn't look that way.

[hrmjustin]

33. I think most people here are tolerant.

I think we just get on each others nerves at times.

[ann---]

37. That hasn't

been my experience at times. You'd be surprised at
what posts get reported with an alert. It's like
walking on eggshells sometimes.

[hrmjustin]

38. Well I hope it gets better when we have our nominee.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

31. You have underestimated DU

And no group or sub group will ever own or over rule. This site is also a learning place for those that want to know more.
and so far as far as I have seen ,no Bernie backers or ready for somebody else backers have added anything of real learning significance to the learning process for those that come here to learn.

Strong opinions are fine and dandy but facts are what we look at .
It really isn't s very difficult when reading around the site to get an angle on what is what. The few you mention are fewer than you might think.

You should hang in there.

[valerief]

34. I'm sure there's a Center-Right Underground somewhere on the intertubes. nt

[hrmjustin]

36. Pardon?

[hrmjustin]

39. The poster nor Hillary is center right.

[MADem]

43. Wow--rude much? nt

[hrmjustin]

46. Poster won't be responding in this room anymore.

That wasa rude post.

[MADem]

54. Those were DU-level incivil remarks!

is up with these shitty, rude, jerk-filled "I don't share your view on this issue, therefore I have a right to stick a nasty-ass, false label on you" type posts?

I think they say a lot about the person making the rude post, certainly!

[hrmjustin]

57. Indeed.

I respect there safe havens and I wish they would respect ours.

[Cha]

118. Sorry, you don't know anything about this poster if you're dropping ignorant cheap pot shots like

that.

"I'm sure there's a Center-Right Underground somewhere on the intertubes "

[MADem]

40. Get thee out in the REAL WORLD and you'll find the view is much better.

There are, I suspect, a crew of OPERATION CHAOS-style bozos hanging out here, fluffing out the cadres of True Believers and encouraging bad behavior. On the one hand, they are annoying--on the other hand, the GOP just might be wasting a lot of money paying stupid people to post here. If they're spending money on that kind of moronic endeavors, they're wasting it--most HRC fans aren't the types who spend all day farting around on the computer--they either work, or they're retired and find joy in getting out in the world talking to real people who aren't concealed behind a computer screen.

Like you, I've also seen some rude shit on this board lately. Here's the funniest bit of all -- I rather doubt that Sen. Sanders would appreciate some of the intolerant crap being flung in his name!!! In fact, seeing as he has made it a point to call HRC "a friend for over 25 years" and he didn't hesitate to take her money in support of his Senate campaign, I don't think he'd find some of the shitty comments here appropriate in the slightest.

[hrmjustin]

42. I think Sanders would be appalled at the behavior of some of his supporters here.

[MADem]

44. Well, like I said, I wonder if some of the worst of them are actual "supporters." I think a few

might be trolls playing at supporters.

When they start firing their own hosts for "insufficient purity" you have to wonder....!

[hrmjustin]

45. You are not the first person to say this to me.

Some have sent me pms on this.


Amazing how some are just upset if someone posts a criticism of Sanders.

[MADem]

60. You don't even have to "criticize."

All you have to do is point out (with linked proof) that CNN did not ignore their favorite candidate, and that is enough to get you banned from the club!

[hrmjustin]

61. I don't read the sanders group but I think in gd some feel pressured into critizing Hillary.

[MADem]

72. Well, if they're so easily pressured, they're likely easily influenced.

Not a good quality for a sustained campaign.

And, seeing as Sanders and HRC have been friends for 25 years, I don't think he'd be too enthralled with the tack his "supporters" are taking when they talk about her.

[hrmjustin]

73. Agreed. I wonder how long it will take to here the persecution meme from some on this site.

[OKNancy]

74. fired a host?

already.
I noticed one of their hosts is/was really nice and polite... so I bet they fired Agschmid. Is that who it was?

[greatauntoftriplets]

114. LOL, just got home from my sister's and was reading an alerted thread....

Agschmid said he was no longer a host there so I think you are spot on. That says a lot.

[Andy823]

75. One thing I noticed

Is a lot of the "Obama" bashers are now in the Bernie Sanders group and I still wonder what their real agenda is. I think some of the are just trying to make trouble, like always, and are trying to pit one candidates supporters against anthers supporters. They just want to divide people and keep stirring things up.

Just my opinion.

[hrmjustin]

76. From what i saw and I must admit I don't read their room I noticed you are right.

[MADem]

79. Yeah. I don't see the point.

I think the agenda is disruption and demotivation. I wonder if the ones who make their living at that kind of thing get a prize at the end of the week?



For anyone who thinks it could never happen, it already has...last POTUS election, in fact:

http://newsone.com/1424285/gop-site-plans-to-infiltrate-progressive-with-trolls/

http://www.alternet.org/story/149197/are_right-wing_libertarian_internet_trolls_getting_paid_to_dumb_down_online_conversations

[hrmjustin]

81. Love that pic.

[Andy823]

98. Great picture

Someday it looks like there is a contest going on here on DU for that spoon, of course there are a couple of posters that usually win and they only have to post one liners that make no sense at all to do so!

[OKNancy]

80. No real electable politician

who actually has to work within the system we have now will ever meet their expectations.
To them, you should never be cordial to Republicans, or try to work things out, or even be seen with them.
Oh, and you should wave a magic wand and Congress does not exist. We should just have single-payer, for example, because... well, because we want it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

115. Yes. I've noticed the same thing.

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. Senator Sanders has refused to attack Hillary Clinton,

even when his constituents call for it while on the stump.

Sadly, his supporters do not appar to think that a possitive message about what he wants to do is sufficient. There is a need to tear the other candidates, espcially Hillary Clinton, apart.

[hrmjustin]

55. Unfortunately trashing Hillary is a sport here on DU now.

[Agnosticsherbet]

56. I would call it a blood sport.

[hrmjustin]

59. I thijk some feel pressured to do it especially in the last week.

Peer pressure.

[leftofcool]

58. And yet he just did exactly that

He equated the Clinton Foundation with the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson.

[hrmjustin]

62. Yep.

[hrmjustin]

63. And it was pointed out and the poster who posted it was called every name in the book.

[Agnosticsherbet]

64. The artile I read in Slate does not see his statements quite the way you do.

Not Weakened With Bernie
When pressed about donations to the Clinton foundation, Sanders said it concerned him before quickly changing the subject to the Koch brothers and how much worse their influence is in politics.

[okasha]

82. That kind of makes you wonder

how much some of Sanders' "supporters" actually do support his policies and how much he's just a cover for them to attack Hillary.

[Agnosticsherbet]

102. The Progressive left first locked on Warren, but since she is not running they have chosen Sanders

as their Standard Bearer. From what I can tell, they want someone they see as an ideologically pure leftist. Hillary Clinton does not meet their litmus test, so she need not apply to them.

Whether Clinton or Sanders or some other democrat is elected, unless the House and the Senate change hands little will change with the dynamic in Washington. A President, no matter how much an ideological pure leftist, can not rule by fiat. President Obama has probably reached the limits of what can be done with an Executive order. An executive order can not create a program nor fund a program.

The Legislative Branch controls the legislative agenda. All budget bills must originate in the House. Democrats can take the Senate, but unless we see another wave election, the House is out of our reach.

Turning the exertive branch over to Republicans will likely mean that the Supreme court will be even more Conservative. Putting Republicans in control of all three branches of government would be ugly.

I think having Senator Sanders as a candidate is good for the party. At this time, I don't think he can win the nomination, but he can drive the discussion and keep it focused on the middle class and poor.

[okasha]

104. It's been my experience that the 100% "ideologically pure"

in any movement hang from the ceiling, and their dear little fingers have to be pried loose one by one by brave people on ladders.

At this point, winning the Congress back is at least as important as winning the Presidency. That means we must have a candidate who can carry other Democrats into legislative office. As you noted, that's where economic bills must start, where legitimate war powers lie, where candidates for the entire federal level of the judiciary must be confirmed. No matter how pure s/he is, a candidate too weak to lift the Party as a whole is a candidate we can't afford.

The situation is bad now. Look at Wisconsin. It can get worse. Much worse.

[Agnosticsherbet]

107. Our form of government requries compromise to work.

The Executive and Legislative are separate, coequal branches. The moment a President takes offices she or he will be faced with the need to gets things done rather than rage at the other side. If the other side has control of the legislative branch, as they do now, there will be limits to what will get done.

Under Bush Sr. and Reagan, the sides argued, but they negotiated together and governed.

Under Bill Clinton the hyper polarization went into overdrive (led by speaker Gingrich).

Winning back the Congress is as important has winning the White House. If we want create programs to help people, we have to control the legislative agenda.

[okasha]

111. Looks like we impure folk are on the same page.

[NanceGreggs]

113. You're right ...

... about the "ideologically pure leftist".

What I'm seeing a LOT of from the purity crowd is, "Look what Bernie wants to achieve! Listen to what Bernie says he'll do if elected!" "He's the real thing - he means every word he says!" They completely ignore the fact that saying what one wants to do or will do on the campaign trail isn't always possible, once the cold realities of being POTUS have to be faced.

Were Sanders to be elected (or Warren, or any other "seen-as-pure" candidate), I'd give it six months - if that - before their current supporters would start complaining that "this isn't what I voted for!" One invitee to the inauguration they don't like, one pragmatic decision, one iota of compromise, one statement that didn't match the pre-election rhetoric, and Bernie would be under the same bus Obama was thrown under.

It is, IMHO, sheer political naivete to believe that ANY candidate is going to live up to their every campaign promise. That is not necessarily a matter of dishonesty on a candidate's part, but merely a recognition of the on-the-ground realities once one in installed in office.

The truly sad "reality" here on DU is that there are people who honestly believe that their current "Messiah candidate" will be swept into office, and will never disappoint - will never say or do anything out of keeping with their vision of who he is. He will change the nation overnight, he will satisfy their every need, he will make their every dream come true.

Politics needs vision and lofty ideals - but they must be tempered with an acknowledgment of what is possible in the real world.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

77. I have a better idea, follow my own new personal rule for DU, ignore, entirely, all the Hillary

haters, racists, misogynists, homophobes and climate deniers.

Simply NEVER respond to them, it is what I am going to do

[blm]

84. REAL Dem Bernie supporters aren't posting RW propaganda attacking HRC - the

'members' who are, are just exposing themselves as RW operatives. Majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are coming from an earnest place, and I doubt any real DUers could blame them.

This is the third prez primary for some of us here. You may feel outnumbered now, but, think about this - back in 2004 there were less than 2 dozen Kerry supporters actively engaged here at DU. Dean's numbers here were strong and certainly not shy. Guess what? Some of those folks I sparred with, sometimes daily for almost a year, are among my favorite DUers now.

As long as the poster isn't adding RW propaganda into the mix, just respect the earnestness of their view and be earnest in your response. It's the best advice I can give.

[hrmjustin]

100. Please don't take too long in coming back.

You are liked here on DU very much.

[doc03]

108. I don't know if you were around here for the 2008 election

but Hillary supporters got the same treatment from the Obama supporters back then.

[Cha]

119. Oh and they gave as good as they got.. nobody was the victim there.

[Gothmog]

122. That is my recollection also

Both sides were very passionate in 2008

[Cha]

133. Yeah, I was there.. but so many came together and supported Obama after it was done.

[peace13]

117. Interesting comment.

People who don't want Hillary have been experiencing the same thing. Kind of weird how things go around. And for the record...I haven't picked my favorite yet.

[Cha]

120. Yes, there's been a trend of anti-Hillary members posting from rw sites.. haven't seen any rw sites

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from Hillary people. And, the Hillary supporters I know.. respect Bernie.

Oh there's a few threads here and there that come out with dumb proclamations.. but, they get told to "STFU with their nasty finger wagging".. pure meta shit that's allowed to stand while other so called meta is locked.

Yeah but "both sides do it".. uh huh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6614969

They want you to leave. Don't take orders from them.

workingclasszero

[Gothmog]

123. I have asked some Bernie supports to explain to me to why Bernie would be viable

Some of the responses are fun including the idea that OWS and Moveon will win the nomination for Bernie. This would be the first time that Occupy Wall Street tried to actually participate in the political process and it will be interesting to see if they are effective. Given the normal learning curve in politics, it will be interesting to see OWS can put their passion to effective use in the political arena

[hrmjustin]

125. Gpod luck getting a response.

[Gothmog]

127. The response was really weak

[hrmjustin]

128. Typical.

[Agschmid]

132. I think if someone is passionate about a candidate they genuinely think they are viable.

I had some people post 270 to win maps in the Bernie Sanders groups, and the thing is we do on some level have a blue wall... States that will always be blue.

Sure there are some states who will switch but I'm not sure it's enough to make him not viable.

I think in general there is somewhat good probability we hold the White House no matter who runs in the GE.

I realize where I am so that's all I will say unless you want me to share more of my thoughts.

[okasha]

134. Hillary can take Texas.

Sanders can't. That's a lot of electoral votes down the drain if Sanders is the candidate.

[OKNancy]

126. well I took my chances and posted a pro-Hillary thread in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026619891

[workinclasszero]

129. Oh I guess I'm a hothead

Sorry folks. I can't help it when there's good news about Hillary I got to say something

[workinclasszero]

130. It's a long road to the primaries

Go Hillary!

[hrmjustin]

131. You are always welcome here.

[workinclasszero]

135. Thanks really appreciate that