Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking'

[MADem]

http://www.wmur.com/politics/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking/38375366

Sanders Tells Clinton: ‘Excuse Me, I’m Talking’ in Arguably Sexist Debate Exchange
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking.html


Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-flint-debate/81419952/


Sanders Snaps At Clinton “Excuse Me, I’m Talking”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-snaps-at-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking?utm_term=4ldqpia


Bernie Sanders’ feisty debate: ‘Excuse me, I’m talking!’
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-feisty-debate-excuse-me-im-023738092.html


OMG--that wasn't just a blip--that was an "Oh, HELL No!"

[yallerdawg]

1. The audience gasped a couple times.

It should inspire his supporters to keep sending money.

[Cha]

65. Very telling when the audience "gasps".. must not have phased him.

[riversedge]

80. Sanders can be tone deaf a lot of times....

[Mira]

2. Was it inappropriate at any time?

Not that I saw is my opinion. Each time he was interrupted. And other than waving or gesturing that he also wants to weigh in on an issue I did not see him interrupt much, if at all.

[SunSeeker]

7. His finger and hand waiving while Hillary was speaking was deliberately distracting.

And served as a rude interruption. EVERY time.

[Cha]

75. Check out these Tweets from Blue Nation Review.. if you haven't seen them, SunSeeker

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=65954

Nobody likes to have a finger wagged at them.. wouldn't think sanders would, either.

[Cha]

23. Yes Every time. Once again, this is Hillary's Group for her supporters. thank you.

Nick Confessore
✔ ‎‎@nickconfessore
Clinton getting a good dry run tonight for a fall debate against a dismissive, mocking male candidate hitting her on trade and Wall Street.
3:49 PM - 6 Mar 2016
253 253 Retweets 306 306 likes


Mic
✔ ‎‎@micnews

Every woman watching the #DemDebate cringed when Bernie shushed Hillary this way: http://bit.ly/1R21KWO pic.twitter.com/sdse9H3ePC
3:53 PM - 6 Mar 2016
240 240 Retweets 228 228 likes

Matt McDermott ‎‎@mattmfm
And that right there just defined the Bernie candidacy, and buried it.


Matt McDermott ‎‎@mattmfm
This is nearly Rick Lazio level of bad for Bernie Sanders. He needs a deep breath.
3:31 PM - 6 Mar 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
8 8 Retweets 7 7 likes

Amy Siskind ‎‎@Amy_Siskind
All night - feels like Sanders, @andersoncooper and @donlemon taking turns interrupting Hillary - rarely Sanders. So sexist!#DemDebate
4:40 PM - 6 Mar 2016
22 22 Retweets 24 24 likes

No Hill supporter would go into the BS group and ask a question about Hillary like that.. it would be grounds for immediately blockage.. and I certainly wouldn't think of it.

[MADem]

27. He kept stuttering and waving his finger while she spoke--if you think this was "nothing"

you will have a hard time convincing MOST people who saw it of that.

The theme is EXPLODING all over the internet:

[metroins]

34. He does tend to do that

In an accusatory way.

Hillary tends to act respectfully and looks at him instead of in a threatening/demeaning manner.

[MADem]

35. That dynamic was noted, too--by many. nt

[riversedge]

81. Sanders repeatedly invaded Hillary's personal space.

[mcar]

3. Kind of hard to discount all these media outlets

[MADem]

29. That's just a skim off the top, too--there are many, many more...! nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

138. It looks like some of the Sanders supporters are now into Faux news and all are anti-MSNBC

So I guess it will depend on what Faux News says for that group. Never thought I would see that day on here where people who be discussing who their favorite host is on there.

[bravenak]

4. It was kinda rude...

[MADem]

6. I thought the "ghetto" remark was another clunker.

And coming out with the "mental health snark" was a great way to alienate that subset of voters.

[bravenak]

11. Omg I missed That!!!

I am going to rewatch the whole thing. I gotta stop laughing so hard, I keep missing things.

[MADem]

16. That one is FLYING off the shelves!!!

Joy Reid (and many, many others) are taking him to church on that comment:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/6/11171092/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-ghetto


Some music to accompany the article:

[bravenak]

43. Oh boy!!!

This is exactly what I keep saying about him!

[Historic NY]

64. Did he ever travel to a real inner city....

a lot of people white, black, brown, yellow, all with different dialects live in these places he calls ghettos.

[MadLinguist]

37. I got home too late to see the debate. How are you gonna rewatch?

I need to see this!

[bravenak]

41. They are replaying it on cnn in 15 minutes.

I have got to hear this!!

[MadLinguist]

44. hey, thanks!

[bravenak]

46. Yr welcome!

[Cha]

63. Tweet seen on BlueNation Review, bravenak..

Camille Kleidysz ‎‎@Kleidysz
Yes he did two things Bernie did tonight that turned me off. The ghetto comment, and the "Excuse me I'm talking" https://twitter.com/TheBlacktalian1/status/706664634523086848 …
5:20 PM - 6 Mar 2016
36 36 Retweets 54 54 likes

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

StevenLeser~http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511430382

[BlueCaliDem]

51. I physically cringed when he said "ghetto". I mean, dayum! Who says ghetto these days??

I was like, am I hearing him right?

[MADem]

60. Elvis!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

62. Tweet seen on BlueNation Review, BlueCali..

Camille Kleidysz ‎‎@Kleidysz
Yes he did two things Bernie did tonight that turned me off. The ghetto comment, and the "Excuse me I'm talking" https://twitter.com/TheBlacktalian1/status/706664634523086848 …
5:20 PM - 6 Mar 2016
36 36 Retweets 54 54 likes

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

StevenLeser~http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511430382

[Ellen Forradalom]

88. He's clearly stuck in the 60s

[fleabiscuit]

5. He NEEDED to mansplain darn it! eom

[MADem]

10. This is making the rounds in concert with the "Excuse me..." memes.

Huge clunker, that 'snap.'

[fleabiscuit]

22. Excellent! k@r

[SunSeeker]

74. That captures it perfectly!

[brer cat]

90. Very good, MADem!

Right era too for Bernie's mansplainin'.

[NastyRiffraff]

102. Perfect!

I literally gasped, along with the audience, when he said that, while of course wagging that damned finger.

[George II]

8. Senator Sanders did himself no favors tonight. I was waiting for this the last few debates.....

....and tonight he finally snapped.

[metroins]

36. I think he's realizing

His campaign strategy failed.

Which means he is getting frustrated as he realizes he cannot win.

[George II]

48. He had a singular strategy, and it had nothing to do with getting nominated.

[Chasstev365]

9. There is NOTHING wrong with what he said!

She has contantly interupted him, has not stop when her time was up, and tonight Bernie stood up for himself. ABOUT TIME!

[MADem]

12. Have you taken a wrong turn? nt

[bravenak]

13. It was bad manners

[shenmue]

14. This is the Clinton group. Try your crap in GDP.

[Rose Siding]

18. He reached his finger waving limit and lost control

Slipped and showed a peek of his genuine attitude there.

[SharonClark]

28. So agree

It's like he cannot stand that someone disagrees with him. You think he'd be used to it after so many years in the Senate.

[George II]

115. That is why he has been universally disliked in the House and Senate. Others are cordial with him...

...but no one wants to go out and have a beer with him.

The likes of him are what gives us native Brooklynites a bad name.

[nini]

40. Maybe not 'what he said' but how he said it

The condescending mansplaining crap made me scream at the TV more than once.

[Cha]

57. Right.. his tone, especially.

[George II]

47. Huh? Did we see the same debate? He was wagging his hand and interrupting all night.

BTW, this is the Clinton group, please leave.

Thanks.

[Rose Siding]

15. That and his ghetto/taxi remarks will be the take-aways

Feeling pretty confident about Tuesday.

[MADem]

17. Everybody sing!!!!

[Rose Siding]

21. ha!

I remember the taxi thing was a big deal way back when Eddie Murphy was on snl and other cast members had to go out and hail cabs for him get home. Not that it's any better now, not that it isn't completely disgusting, but the idea that he doesn't get how EVERYONE knows that is weird, right?

[MADem]

32. It just sounded stupid, clunky and again, tone deaf. He sounded CLUELESS.

It was worse than a "blind spot" as Don Lemon called it--it was a fish out of water, he didn't even begin to get it.

[Lucinda]

24. That was part of that "white people don't know poverty" section too, wasnt it?

Didn't watch, just getting a sense of what happened.

Sounds like he is very out of touch.

[Rose Siding]

26. Yes and it perpetuates an ugly time worn stereotype

Black=poor=ghetto

Really not a liberal viewpoint. Made me angry!

[Nailzberg]

31. It was really weird to whitesplain the taxi thing. I think that example has been used up.

And sure, its still relevant. Cabbies still discriminate. But falling back on cabs is kinda like you didn't do your homework on that topic.

[KitSileya]

91. It feels like he hasn't updated his opinion on that topic since that example was relevant

in the 90's. There are plenty more topical examples of racism, if that is what he wanted to convey.

[fun n serious]

19. In my opinion

Neither he or his wife are very classy people.

[kaiden]

92. Thank you. I have felt this way from the start.

No charisma; no "it" factor. No light.

[Her Sister]

96. I remember one of the 1st dem debates

at the end when he walked towards his wife and she was walking towards him. There was something in the look they gave each other. It was very telling. Like two people who knew what they were getting away with. At that time I still liked him even though voting for HRC. That moment was surprising to me. So I put it away as information, good to know, maybe for future reference.

Then when other debates and developments happened and I realized that (surprisingly) he was just repeating the same answers and not interested in much else, I kept remembering that weird moment.

[sheshe2]

20. K&R

S over the top.

[Iliyah]

25. No, a man of any race, feels that women just are not equal

[Cha]

30. Thank you for this, MADem! Look @ how Presidential Hillary looks...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-snaps-at-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking?utm_term=.qeVk877qd#.wuwaqrrOL

[MADem]

33. The internet is NOTICING this shit. In a big way.

[Cha]

38. And, not just that.. Tweet from your first link.. Thank you!

Amy Siskind ‎‎@Amy_Siskind
All night - feels like Sanders, @andersoncooper and @donlemon taking turns interrupting Hillary - rarely Sanders. So sexist!#DemDebate
4:40 PM - 6 Mar 2016
22 22 Retweets 24 24 likes

And, then Hillary interjects and it's "Excuse me, I'm talking."..

[MADem]

58. This stuff is not going away....

[Cha]

61. Good, nor should it. More... I think it was his tone as well...

Emmy Bengtson ‎‎@EmmyA2
Bernie when HRC interrupts: "Excuse me, I'm talking!"
Bernie when Don Lemon interrupts: "Oh I'm sorry, go ahead."
Noted. #DemDebate
4:10 PM - 6 Mar 2016
336 336 Retweets 343 343 likes

Much MOre~ http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

stevenleser~http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511430382

[NastyRiffraff]

103. It was his tone...

the familiar finger-wagging, the condescending treatment of Hillary as a misbehaving child. Back to the 50s we go.

She probably felt like saying "fuck you very much," and who could blame her? But she looked dignified if slightly "are you kidding me?"

[Cha]

106. I wonder if Hillary was thinking.. "Okay, Rick.. please proceed.."?

It's always the tone.. you can say something like that in a nice tone.. because you don't want to lose your train of thought.. and it wouldn't have been trending like NOW.

And, it wouldn't have been sanders.. who sounds like he wasn't prepared.. again.

[fun n serious]

42. Wow! Profound. That is exactly what I felt listening to him nt

[fleabiscuit]

54. Wow. Most excellent. And disturbing. K&R

[Rose Siding]

39. It's so.......*dismissive* of him to do that to her.

Totally unacceptable!

[stonecutter357]

83. that is some ugly stuff right there.

She has more strength and courage than i do,I don't do so well with finger in my face.

[Cha]

85. Hillary has what it takes to be President .. a calm cool demeanor that gets the job done..

not all huffing and puffing.

Emily Atkin
✔ ‎‎@emorwee
Audience reacted pretty strongly against Sanders' "EXCUSE ME IM TALKING" at Clinton. Clinton, though, seemed unfazed. #DemDebate

3:28 PM - 6 Mar 2016
61 61 Retweets 137 137 likes

MOre...
http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

[Ellen Forradalom]

89. She has mastered the art

of giving men enough rope to hang themselves.

[Her Sister]

98. lol!!

yep!

[spooky3]

133. "Please proceed, Governor (Senator)..."

[fun n serious]

45. This is " who he is" nt

[UtahLib]

49. Very poor presentation, Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

87. You're being kind ...

... too kind.

[anotherproletariat]

50. My roommate mentioned this after seeing him at a rally last month...

He said that Bernie looked frail, and tonight I could see what she means. He just doesn't seem to have the vigor one would hope for in a president.

[BlueCaliDem]

52. It isn't easy running for president. Very taxing and tiring. Yet I can't help but notice

that Hillary looks better and better with each passing week!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

59. That was my opinion after seeing the debate before this one

It was at that point I made up my mind to support Hillary. I don't think he can serve more than one term if elected.

His stance on the export-import has further confirmed I made the right choice. A lot of his dear Euro-socialist countries have something similar. Why should we operate at a disadvantage.

[fourcents]

53. All this and nothing about the issues facing the nation, sounds like the *** here?

If we want Hillary to be elected we need to support her strong point on the issues.

[fleabiscuit]

55. Look around. There is more than one thread in this group. eom

[Cha]

56. We do.. as flea said.. look around. You are not welcome to come into our group and ask

if it sounds like the GOP.

Got it?

[fourcents]

66. Respectfully I apologize if I offended? But you all are always welcome to anything I post

because I and generations of my family have fought for your freedom and democracy. Should I delete my comment?

[Cha]

68. Well it wasn't true what you said. But, this is a private Hillary group and we have the

to say what goes on it here.

And, it's not like the gop.

[NoSeVaya]

67. What a bunch of stooopid crap.

hillary clinton monopolized the entire New Hampshire debate. She spoke over Bernie Sanders and would not let him speak. Maybe, he got tired of her carnival act. He has no choice but to take charge and make room for himself to be heard. If allowed, she will bully. He is polite--she is not. I do not believe his politeness is gender dependent. For anyone, male or female, to say his response to her interruption is sexist is absolutely ludicrous. Again with the victim ploy. Maybe, she should learn some manners. And, that is not gender dependent. By the way, I'm an old lady who knows and understands what sexism really is.

[MrWendel]

69. As an old lady..

you should learn to read, when it says "HILLARY CLINTON (GROUP)", take your tired argument out to the GD: P

[MADem]

71. Here's your hat, what's your hurry?

You've taken a wrong turn. Time to go.

[Cha]

73. HAHAHAHAHAHLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.. "..he is polite.." ROFL!

Nick Confessore
✔ ‎‎@nickconfessore
Clinton getting a good dry run tonight for a fall debate against a dismissive, mocking male candidate hitting her on trade and Wall Street.
3:49 PM - 6 Mar 2016
253 253 Retweets 306 306 likes


Mic
✔ ‎‎@micnews

Every woman watching the #DemDebate cringed when Bernie shushed Hillary this way: http://bit.ly/1R21KWO pic.twitter.com/sdse9H3ePC
3:53 PM - 6 Mar 2016
240 240 Retweets 228 228 likes

Matt McDermott ‎‎@mattmfm
And that right there just defined the Bernie candidacy, and buried it.


Matt McDermott ‎‎@mattmfm
This is nearly Rick Lazio level of bad for Bernie Sanders. He needs a deep breath.
3:31 PM - 6 Mar 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
8 8 Retweets 7 7 likes

Amy Siskind ‎‎@Amy_Siskind
All night - feels like Sanders, @andersoncooper and @donlemon taking turns interrupting Hillary - rarely Sanders. So sexist!#DemDebate
4:40 PM - 6 Mar 2016
22 22 Retweets 24 24 likes

Camille Kleidysz ‎‎@Kleidysz
Yes he did two things Bernie did tonight that turned me off. The ghetto comment, and the "Excuse me I'm talking" https://twitter.com/TheBlacktalian1/status/706664634523086848 …
5:20 PM - 6 Mar 2016
36 36 Retweets 54 54 likes

Emmy Bengtson ‎‎@EmmyA2
Bernie when HRC interrupts: "Excuse me, I'm talking!"
Bernie when Don Lemon interrupts: "Oh I'm sorry, go ahead."
Noted. #DemDebate
4:10 PM - 6 Mar 2016
374 374 Retweets 384 384 likes

Ann-Jay ‎‎@Miamiborn
Bernie "I'm talking" with the moving finger- made the hair stand up on the back of many women's neck tonight! #DemDebate
5:19 PM - 6 Mar 2016
40 40 Retweets 70 70 likes

Kazimierz ‎‎@CazMaxMru
I wonder what would happen if Hillary said "Excuse me. I'm talking!" While wagging her finger at Bernie? #DemDebate
3:47 PM - 6 Mar 2016
78 78 Retweets 103 103 likes

Laura Clawson ‎‎@LauraClawson
Sanders interrupts Clinton. When she interrupts back, he gets all snippy about it.
3:27 PM - 6 Mar 2016
129 129 Retweets 138 138 likes

MOre...
http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

[SunSeeker]

77. "i wonder what would happen if Hillary said "Excuse me. I'm talking!" While wagging her finger..."

I don't wonder. I know. She would be ripped apart for it.

[Cha]

79. Yes, she would be.. it would be unseemly and very unpresidential.. but, that's not who she is..

that's the other guy.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

101. I don't think so.

If she wants to do that, she should. I appreciate people that take charge. I think she should have been more aggressive with Sanders in that clip. I didn't see the whole debate, so maybe she had reason to let it go. Either way, I don't think this is a big deal.

[SunSeeker]

111. Oh please. Even though it was BS who interrupted her, folks here claim she interrupted him!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511433120

It would be funny if it was not so disheartening to see coming from purported progressives.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

114. I think they were both interrupting each other.

What does that have to do with being progressive?

[SunSeeker]

116. Hillary did not interrupt him in that exchange. HE interrupted her call out of his No vote.

He knew the fact that he voted No on bailing out the auto industry was a very devastating fact for him, so he interrupted her to lie about how it was just a Wall Street bailout. When she tried to resume talking to correct his lie, he interrupted her with that tone deaf, offensive sexist line. And some purported progressives on DU are so blinded by their partisan devotion of BS, they refuse to acknowledge it. The video of the exchange is at this CNN link:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/democratic-debate-recap/index.html


BTW, you're in the Hillary Group. BS propaganda is not welcome.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

118. It is not Bernie Sanders propaganda. It is my opinion.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but this just seems like something silly to get upset over. I expect people to do these sorts of things in debates. We don't need to manufacture controversy were there is none. We are not desperate. Hillary is doing well. I don't understand why people are blowing up over Sanders saying "let me finish" and "excuse me, I'm talking". My husband and I say that sort of thing to each other all the time. People cut each other off when talking all the time, so what? It is a presidential debate. I expect this sort of stuff. It's not a politeness competition. BTW, I think Hillary and Bernie look very civil when you compare them to the republicans and their debates so far.

[SunSeeker]

125. Really, you say "Excuse me, I'm talking" to your husband and he says that to you?

I have no problem with "let me finish." My husband and I say that to one another. But the tone BS used and the implication of his "Excuse me, I'm talking" line conjures up the Mad Men world of "hush up little lady, don't you know a MAN is talking?" It suggests him talking takes precedence over her talking. The fact is, it was Hillary who was talking when he interrupted her on a pivotal point in the debate (which is why he interrupted her -- to stop her from saying damaging facts about his vote against the Detroit bailout).

Sorry, I didn't recognize you as a Hillary supporter (I can't see avatars on my phone version of DU). We do get Bernie supporters coming in here to troll us.

And of course you have a right to your own opinion.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

139. If my husband wagged his finger in my face and was being that condescending, that finger would

be in a place that the sun don't shine. Just saying.....

[SunSeeker]

140. LOL

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

141. No problem

I'm just not offended by it and other people are. I do think Bernie would have said the same thing if he was dealing with a man, like maybe Trump. I honestly think that Bernie has a lot of respect for Hillary and he is treating her as a peer, but also an opponent at the same time. Other phrases would be better, but it is the type of phrase that gets used in the heat of the moment in debate to get a word in edgewise. I actually don't say "excuse me, I'm talking" all that much, but I know I'm guilty of saying it before. It is something normally said in an argument. I have witnessed people say it in a work setting too, but more often it is "let me finish". I've seen women say it and men say it to the people of the same gender and opposite gender.

[spooky3]

134. But this is a workplace exchange, not a conversation between life partners. What is

OK in your sphere, perhaps because you understand the other well and love each other, is not OK in a workplace environment, especially not, given that women have been treated there in disrespectful and worse ways for eons.

It was the manner in which it was done that I think people found insulting and condescending, as much as anything else. Had he said, "I would like to respond to that" when he didn't like what she said, and waited, who would have found that offensive? Or, if you really believe that she was interrupting and he had never done so (which I do not), he could have said, "Please let me finish my point" and continued talking.

[stonecutter357]

84. You seem concerned.

[SanDiegoDem]

70. Really disrespectful behavior by Senator Sanders

The finger waving is one thing-- when on the Senate floor and trying to make a point. It is quite another thing to be
seemingly unaware of the invasion into another's space. So either Bernie is just clueless that an average person doesn't enjoy having an alien finger flying around in their personal space-- much less a colleague in the midst of pursuing a professional endeavor; or Bernie is intentionally rude. The truth looks to be a combination of both: he is intentionally rude because he simply does not care about being mindful of those around him. He conveyed that message fairly clearly. Not in the least bit Presidential.
Thank you Hillary for making some beautiful points on several issues: the import/export bank; your position on free trade agreements; your support of the safety net for the auto industry.... the list goes on and on.
Senator Sanders made a couple of points, but his boorish behavior dimmed being able to consider him a truly conscientious man.

[Cha]

72. Wow.. Thank you, SanDiegoDem! You described it well!

[spooky3]

135. welcome to DU!

[SunSeeker]

76. The most galling thing about that line is that HE had interrupted her.

She had just stated that he had voted against the auto bailout and he interrupted her to say it was a Wall Street bailout. Then when she tried to resume talking to correct his misleading suggestion that the Wall Street bailout bill (TARP) did not contain the auto bailout in it, he tried to shut her down with that horrid "Excuse me, I'm talking line." He was basically telling her not to interrupt his interruption.

The video is at this link:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/democratic-debate-recap/index.html

[Cha]

78. thanks for the reminder, SunSeeker.. because that's what I had gathered reading some of

the transcript.. but so much is being discussed about it.. lost sight of that little nugget.

Here's another tweet from Blue Nation Review that I think is important for World Leaders..

Emily Atkin
✔ ‎‎@emorwee
Audience reacted pretty strongly against Sanders' "EXCUSE ME IM TALKING" at Clinton. Clinton, though, seemed unfazed. #DemDebate

3:28 PM - 6 Mar 2016
61 61 Retweets 137 137 likes

[DemonGoddess]

82. when he did that

my daughter and I were both livid. I remember clearly that the auto bailout was bundled with the Wall Street bailout, because that's the ONLY way the rethugs would allow it to pass.

[Cha]

86. bernie always has some excuse why he's not helpful.

[LannyDeVaney]

93. I just tried this line on my wife while discussing what lies ahead for us today ...

In summary: Anybody got a spare couch?

[Cha]

97. lol

[NastyRiffraff]

105. ROFL!

Nice one, Lanny!

[MADem]

121. LOL!!!!!!! nt

[SunSeeker]

126. ...

[George II]

94. Good job with those links. Obviously everyone noticed that.

[MADem]

122. That was right after the debate, too--and just the tip of the iceberg.

They're knee-deep today. Many people talking about this.

He screwed up. "Big time" as Cheney would say...!

[Starry Messenger]

95. Lots of tweets reacted to his repeated rudeness.

I watched on Twitter, he did this at least three times. Why did he want more debates? He is melting down.

[MADem]

100. He believed his people--he's living in a bubble and his staff is reacting to a large

"Borg of Supporters," if you will. One says it, a bunch repeat it, and they're having to live with their cries of "DWS BAD! MORE DEBATES!" We'll give ya more debates, we'll give you just what you're demanding....aka "Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly."

His staff are just not very good at running the MESSAGING for a national campaign. He is doing -- if not well, OK -- despite them, not because of them. They got the target audience right, but they don't know how to talk OVER the target audience to a wider audience of those who need to be convinced. They never get ahead of anything, they're always in reactive/pander mode. It's why the My Black Friends Tour at the HBCUs went over like a lead balloon, and it's why the "Feisty Bernie" isn't selling, either. You can criticize or challenge without coming off like a boor. He didn't manage to do that, though. That was his Rick Lazio moment.

Al Gore's people told him to loom and intimidate too--it didn't work for him, either, not because of sexism since he was running against Bush, but because it went against his essential demeanor, which was that of a guy who cared deeply about things and was an astute student of them, too. He wasn't a bully so it came off as forced.

In Sanders' case, he came off as someone who has YELLED LIKE THAT BEFORE. It was a complete and total mistake--but who knew it was that easy to trip that guy's wire? Not a good look for him at all. The sexist tinge accusation has more to do with the fact that pretty much anyone who has been in a situation where it's mostly men, and one or two women, in leadership roles, that they've either been the woman on the receiving end of that shit, or seen the woman get treated like that. Dismissed, denied, "Shut up - my opinion is more important than yours" kind of thing. And it doesn't really matter, at the end of the day, if his dismissive snarling was about her gender--it's obvious that he prefers the TRANSMIT mode to the RECEIVE one. And that is NOT a good default setting for a Chief Executive.

He lacks the temperament of a successful candidate for a job where listening to people trying to give you advice is key.

[Cha]

104. Tad Devine was Al Gore's campaign manager, too.. many of us commentedthat BS

reminded us of Gore in his debate.. "rolling his eyes" etc.

Don't tell me Devine gave BS debating advice too.. or was it just a big coincidence?

Interesting analysis. Thank you, MADem.

[NastyRiffraff]

107. You got that EXACTLY right, MADem!

"In Sanders' case, he came off as someone who has YELLED LIKE THAT BEFORE. It was a complete and total mistake--but who knew it was that easy to trip that guy's wire? Not a good look for him at all. The sexist tinge accusation has more to do with the fact that pretty much anyone who has been in a situation where it's mostly men, and one or two women, in leadership roles, that they've either been the woman on the receiving end of that shit, or seen the woman get treated like that. Dismissed, denied, "Shut up - my opinion is more important than yours" kind of thing. And it doesn't really matter, at the end of the day, if his dismissive snarling was about her gender--it's obvious that he prefers the TRANSMIT mode to the RECEIVE one. And that is NOT a good default setting for a Chief Executive."

Been there, done that, as have most women. It sounded like "how DARE you talk when I'm interrupting you!" Because he DID interrupt her, more than once in that debate. Bernie is stuck in the 50s.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

99. I think it is a bit much

to say that Sanders was sexist in saying that to Clinton. This just how people act in debates. He would have said the same thing if he was dealing with a man. The whole point is for women to receive equal treatment and be treated like peers. It seems to me that was happening in that clip.

[MADem]

109. It's not that HE was being sexist, necessarily, but he was certainly being RUDE and abrasive.

And his manner was one that anyone who has either been a victim of sexism, or who has OBSERVED a person being victimized in a sexist way, has seen before.

You can read the paper, too. I'm not "making this up." It's a post - debate "meme," as it were.

https://twitter.com/fvdlfvdl/status/706843600194183172

[Cha]

112. Establishmentarian!

Keith White ‏@keethers · 3h3 hours ago

To Bernie every nail requires a Wall Street hammer. The issues are far more complicated than gutting the banks and free college

Thanks for link.

[missingthebigdog]

127. I don't think he would have.

I sincerely doubt that he would behave the same way when debating a man.

What was happening in that clip was a man behaving the way that certain men often behave towards women- impatient, dismissive, and rude.

[Fla Dem]

108. He feels it all slipping away, the adoration, the notoriety, the Presidency. All going away.

Like a little kid when told to put his toys away. They get cranky.

[pandr32]

110. Nailed it!

I tip my hat to you!

[MADem]

120. I do think you're right--he's on the downhill slide of that bell curve, and he's digging in his

heels, trying to slow his descent.

[MrWendel]

113. Wow Bernie...

Rick Lazio Much?

[vdogg]

117. BS supporters are in full on damage control today.

This one must be starting to leave a mark.

[MADem]

119. It is leaving a mark. I think anyone with an iota of sensitivity detects the poor optics.

The attitude--intentionally, or NOT (and I am willing to concede the latter) -- smacked of the dismissiveness, the "hushing," the disregard that many women have endured and many men have witnessed. It doesn't just happen to women, either--it happens to anyone who doesn't fit the corporate white male paradigm--people of color and of varying ethnicities--anyone who is a "nail that sticks up" as the Japanese say. And we know about the nail that sticks up....it gets HAMMERED DOWN. And that is what appeared to be happening to anyone who watched that exchange--it was just not good.

More to the point, beyond the "hushing" stuff, was the fact that it took SO LITTLE to make Sanders "lose it." And that is what he did--he got I-fooking-RATE about a conversation that was spirited, but he acted like someone was calling his mama names. It calls into question his TEMPERAMENT for the job to which he is applying. And it also brings to mind reports that he is not a very nice person, one-on-one.

[spooky3]

128. Totally agree. I once had a colleague who was JUNIOR to me that would literally say "shhhhh" when

I was talking and he disagreed or wanted to interrupt - as if he were talking to his two school age children.

This same guy considered himself extremely progressive and supportive of women but always had a way to mansplain sexist behavior in others and was oblivious to his own.

[MADem]

136. That must have been infuriating.

I worked for a very ahead-of-the-game 3 star admiral who used to enjoy turning the tables on the shushers and hushers--he'd often require his top brass (overwhelmingly male) to take briefings from junior women, and he hush and shush THEM when they'd try to intimidate the young ladies who were giving the briefs.

It was one of those "mentoring moments" that I found to be very cool, indeed. He gave the junior females an opportunity to run that intimidating gauntlet while he had their back. It boosted their confidence and it taught a lesson to those on his staff with assholish and shush-ing tendencies.

When I met this guy's wife, I figured out why he was so 'with it,' and where he got his "education." She was a remarkable woman and she taught him everything he needed to know about equality of opportunity, even before that became a thing--they both became friends later down the line.

[spooky3]

137. It was, thanks. But what a great experience with the admiral- thanks for sharing that story.

[PM Martin]

123. Sanders reeks of Jack Layton (former NDP leader)

The entitlement he demands is absurd.

For all the talk about the 'establishment', Bernie acts like he is the head of it.
His campaign makes no sense. He is not running in every state.
The sense that he is owed is quite obvious.

[Tarheel_Dem]

124. Speaks to temperament, and not in a good way.

[spooky3]

130. until last night, I was happy with both our candidates, for different reasons, but now

I am uneasy about Sanders, for the reasons noted in this thread. The evidence is so much clearer now as to where some problems lie. Previously I believed he was genuinely committed to the things he said he was committed to, but somewhat idealistic. And I still agree with him on some points.

But I have preferred Clinton for some time, on policy, ability to get things done, and temperament grounds, and thought she handled the bad behavior last night very well.

I still view Sanders as many times better than any of the Republicans.

[Tarheel_Dem]

131. I think BS may have "Lazio-ed" himself last night. I can pinpoint the moment Lazio lost to Hillary.

Remember this?

[spooky3]

132. yes, several people around the internet have been saying this and I'm beginning to agree with you.

[cwydro]

129. My father used to say that to my mother.

And to my sister and me.

It was said in a very condescending and male privilege type way - exactly like Sanders said it.

My sis and I would shut up, mom - not so much.

I miss my dad, but I hated that attitude of his. We all did.

It creeped me out when I heard Sanders say the same thing and in the same way.

[DemonGoddess]

142. My dad

would have had his balls handed to him on a silver platter for speaking like that to my mom.

[cwydro]

143. Oh, the shit usually hit the fan at that point.

In fact, when I heard him (Dad) say that, I usually left the room because I knew what was coming.