Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumClinton is running for president. Sanders is doing something else |Hillary Clinton Group
Down in the polls in advance of Tuesdays major contest in Michigan, Sanders needs the race to take a dramatic turn before Clinton wins another populous state. Yet rather than attempting to advance onto new ground in Sundays debate, Sanders simply entrenched himself on his same narrow patch of ideological turf. Either he knows he probably will not win the nomination and he figures he should just keep making his point while everyone is still watching, or he believes that his problem is that not enough people have heard him say the same things over and over again.
In fact, much of the debate revolved around the same basic argument between practicality and ideology that emerged the first time the two faced off on the debate stage, when Clinton declared, Im a progressive, but Im a progressive who likes to get things done.
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.........Mostly, Sanders steered the conversation back to his core concerns Wall Street, campaign finance, a massive public jobs program and single-payer health care and made his usual pitch. Clinton, meanwhile, ran for president. A president cant go ordering folks around, she said at one point. Our system doesnt permit that. Its nice to know at least one candidate on either side is keeping that in mind.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/07/clinton-is-running-for-president-sanders-is-doing-something-else/?postshare=6071457362135060&tid=ss_tw-bottom
I haven't read Stromberg before. Also enjoying his take on the Wisconsin debate:
Clinton to Sanders: Youre just saying stuff
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/12/clinton-to-sanders-youre-just-saying-stuff/
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Sanders supporters have unfortunately entered into an echo chamber online. They believe because they are the loudest that it means they're a majority. They believe b cause they're more active in online polls that their candidate is winning debates. They believe that because they so fervently believe in Sanders' vision, that it is the alpha and the omega. They reject anything that goes against their beliefs and cry foul when you point out political realities to them. Echo chambers and bubbles are dangerous when you're dealing with big issues, because they discourage or totally exclude opposing viewpoints. Unfortunately, they won't learn this lesson until it's too late.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,741 posts)Post anything pro-Hillary on the GDP page they try to shout you down. Refute their claims then find them doubling down on their falsehood further down the page.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)I'm personally always worried about not seeing all sides of an issue. That notwithstanding, you'd think they'd at least be cognizant of the fact that their alienating a lot of allies with their pettiness and vitriol should their candidate somehow win the nomination.
livetohike
(22,123 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)........he was running for President of Vermont.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)peggysue2
(10,823 posts)Sanders is using a national platform to deliver his ideologic view on America; Hillary Clinton is running for the job of POTUS. Bernie can speak in broad, idealistic language while Hillary speaks to the specifics, the nuts & bolts of turning speech into actual action/policy.
I've been turning this over for weeks now. I honestly don't think Bernie Sanders had any intention of running a full-throated presidential campaign. He wanted to get his message out to a national audience. Otherwise, he would have been better prepared--numbers that actually add up, program/policy specifics, etc. God knows the man has had time to work out the specifics; he's been in the US Senate forever. But the fact remains he did not work out those specifics or details but has relied on the imagination of his supporters. That's not to say that his issues are all without merit. But no one including Bernie Sanders has a magic wand to exert the change he's promising and insisting will develop. The Revolution is a bust.
Donald Trump is a narcissistic authoritarian, the strong man making promises to the public. Bernie Sanders is an righteous, true believer, making different promises. Both men are fueled by anger and utilize that anger to excite their supporters.
As it turns out, Republicans are far angrier than Democrats.
The GOP's cumulative losses at the national level will do that to people. For the young Bernie supporters, they have a legitimate gripe: ridiculous college expenses, mounting debt and a narrowing corridor of decent paying jobs. But merely screaming 'Free College' isn't going to solve the problem. Anymore than blaming Wall St and corporations for every ill and mishap. Flint, Michigan's disaster, for instance, is a lot more complex than Wall St corruption. One size does not fit all.
Because solutions are far harder than promises and finger-pointing.