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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:11 AM Mar 2016

Chins up Clinton people!

The loss in Michigan is a shock mostly because it was so unexpected - either the polls were wrong or the tide changed at the last moment. But the bottom line is that the loss did not fundamentally change the race except to motivate people like me to send Hillary even more money. This should be a wake up call to donate what you can, time or money to the campaign.

The race is fundamentally the same. Even if Sanders would do well in the other rust belt states, he will most likely do no more than split their delegates as he did in Michigan. Meanwhile Hillary will win be larger margins and more delegates other states. One thing good about splitting states proportionally, it makes it damn hard to catch up once your opponent has a good lead.

In addition, Michigan taught the Clinton team a valuable lesson - not only for the primaries but also for the GE. I think they will be much better going forward for having learned it.

Even with the very narrow loss in Michigan, Hillary pulled further ahead in the delegate count. Even if Hillary and Sanders were split the remaining delegates, which isn't going to happen, Sanders would still lose because the Super Delegates would have an excuse not to change sides and would make the difference

It is just going to be a longer slog than some of us thought.

I pity the Sanders supporters who will now be motivated to throw even more of their money down on a losing cause.

Cajun

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Chins up Clinton people! (Original Post) CajunBlazer Mar 2016 OP
I'm with ya.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #1
So you support fracking? seekthetruth Mar 2016 #2
This is the Clinton group. Also, non sequitur much? shenmue Mar 2016 #4
Cha, its is time to do your thing. We appear to have a low posting... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #5
Sorry, I was late to the party.. Cha Mar 2016 #11
This group is for members who support Hillary. madaboutharry Mar 2016 #7
No I don't.. I support Hillary who actually knows how to get things accomplished in Congress. Cha Mar 2016 #13
I'm feeling really down. madaboutharry Mar 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author shenmue Mar 2016 #6
California is in June. madaboutharry Mar 2016 #8
Hillary already won Texas radical noodle Mar 2016 #9
Oh shenmue Mar 2016 #10
Hey, no problem radical noodle Mar 2016 #12
Hey, shenmue, aloha! Cha Mar 2016 #14
Um yeah I dumb shenmue Mar 2016 #15
That's okay.. you reminded us we WON Texas! Cha Mar 2016 #16
Thank you for the inspiring Chin Up, Cajon... I think we needed it after an Cha Mar 2016 #17
I don't think the tide changed. I think Indies and young people were under-polled. This is an open RBInMaine Mar 2016 #18
Agreed, something went wrong with the polling CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #20
You make good points pandr32 Mar 2016 #22
Florida is the only closed primary next week. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #23
Florida is the biggest bucket of delegates by far CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #29
I wanted a win in MI, but alas no go and congrats to BS Iliyah Mar 2016 #19
The media is doing what the media does best - promoting their product CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #21
I was just reading on another site.. that they said.. "the pundits seemed extra giddy Cha Mar 2016 #24
yep, I sensed that too CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #25
primary season is NOT about wins and losses...its not a sport...its about delegate count and last beachbum bob Mar 2016 #26
You are right. auntpurl Mar 2016 #28
i am sure superdelegates look at the popular vote totals a couple different ways beachbum bob Mar 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueIdaho Mar 2016 #27
I sent the camp a small donation just this am. Hillary needs to know we stand with her no riversedge Mar 2016 #30
It's also a reminder to be humble in victory, and gracious in defeat. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #31
 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
2. So you support fracking?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:24 AM
Mar 2016

Seriously? You really support a candidate who supports fracking? Something so poisonous to our Earth? Sorry but the last debate between Hillary and Bernie was very, very telling.

Cha

(296,780 posts)
13. No I don't.. I support Hillary who actually knows how to get things accomplished in Congress.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:22 AM
Mar 2016

She is an experienced, knowledgeable, determined leader who will win the White House.

She doesn't just promise things.. she knows how to get them done..

And, yes the debate was very telling.

Response to madaboutharry (Reply #3)

Cha

(296,780 posts)
17. Thank you for the inspiring Chin Up, Cajon... I think we needed it after an
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:08 AM
Mar 2016

understandable shock.

This is what Hillary has to say tonight..

Friend --

While we wait for results from a close race in Michigan, I wanted to take a moment to say thank you. Today's victory in Mississippi -- and everything else we've accomplished -- is because of you.

I am so grateful to the more than 900,000 people who've donated and contributed to our success so far.

They're people like Ernesto, a college student from Ohio, and Liza, a mom from Texas whose child has Down syndrome -- people who share our belief that when we lift each other up instead of tearing each other down, we can do incredible things.


The forces trying to drive us apart are strong.

But I believe our campaign and our country should be about breaking barriers and building on what made America great in the first place.

America's diversity is a strength, not a weakness. Trying to divide this country between "us" and "them" is simply wrong. Our mission is to do as much good as we can for the most people we can -- we have to open our hearts to helping others.

That's the kind of spirit that drives this campaign, and it's what will take us all the way to the White House.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
18. I don't think the tide changed. I think Indies and young people were under-polled. This is an open
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:20 AM
Mar 2016

primary. Indies for Sanders skewed the results to him. Hillary won registered Dems by a lot.

Hillary should win FL and NC, and I think she will also win OH and IL next Tuesday. Bernie will make his biggest play in OH.

It is also possible a good number of Clinton voters saw the polling, thought she had it by a long shot, and stayed home which added to this result.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
20. Agreed, something went wrong with the polling
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

---which hadn't been a factor before. For instance, It it might be difficult to get a representative sample of some segments of the the population such as young people and college students or union workers. A poll sample may only contain 7% of that demographic yet the polling company knows that the demographic, so they count the results of the demographic as a larger percentage of the total - say 12% - based on other data they have gathered. But let's say that that demographic makes up a much higher percentage of the vote - say 22% - then the poll will be off.

Also polls on measure the choices of the electorate on a given day; people's choices may change before the actually election. Given the huge errors in all of the polls, I have to think this was a major change. For instance, Sanders attack on Hillary as a supporter of trade agreements negotiated on Bill's watch may have resonated with workers in a state which lost many jobs to foreign companies.

The good thing is hat both Hillary's campaign and the polling organizations can learn from the results in Michigan. The polling companies can redesign future polls and the Clinton campaign can retune their message in the rust belt states.

pandr32

(11,548 posts)
22. You make good points
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

I wonder if the under-polled group of young adults, motivated to support Sanders now, probably even more so because his chances are dimming, will sit it out in the GE, or switch to Trump.

This group of people finds the extreme, and unrealistic promises to be appealing--they are being primed to enter politics with an expectation that can't be met by a "pragmatic" candidate, or the reality of how government works as the result. It seems they believe they can, through a show of force (revolution), make what they want happen. This is a send-up for a group of very dissatisfied people who may be another obstinate block like the Tea Party in the future.

Aside from Sanders, Trump is the only other candidate who is making these kinds of titillating, pie-in-the-sky promises. There are times I think Sanders believes his own rhetoric, but then I see him do some rather calculated moves and I realize he is a politician, and has been one for forever.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
23. Florida is the only closed primary next week.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

That's probably one reason Sanders isn't doing much there.

The rest of the states are concerned about trade. I'm very concerned about Hillary's chances there.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
19. I wanted a win in MI, but alas no go and congrats to BS
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:02 AM
Mar 2016

I refuse again to listen to corporate media about T-rump and BS tho. Onward . . .

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
21. The media is doing what the media does best - promoting their product
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

They aren't necessarily favorable to one candidate or the other, unless we are talking about FOX or to some extent MSNBC, but they do things to up their viewership, like wanting their viewers to think that a race is closer than it is to keep viewers watching, i.e. to get more eyes on a debate they are carrying. I saw Wolf Blitzer doing exactly that the other night.

Cha

(296,780 posts)
24. I was just reading on another site.. that they said.. "the pundits seemed extra giddy
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016

about the Dem Primary in Michigan".

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
25. yep, I sensed that too
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

Michigan gives Sanders extended life - if he had lost by a large margin in Michigan, interest in the Demographic race would have dwindled. That would have cost the the news networks viewers in the future - meaning they would make less money.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
26. primary season is NOT about wins and losses...its not a sport...its about delegate count and last
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

time I looked, hillary increased her delegate count as well as popular vote margin yesterday....with a growing advantage that becomes more and more difficult for sanders to overcome....this is the lesson Obama taught her 8 years ago...win delegates and vote count...scores big with superdelegates....in the end, the nomination is a wrap

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
28. You are right.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:45 PM
Mar 2016

And even if momentum swings entirely to Bernie (which I don't believe will happen) and they end up in a "virtual tie", the fact that registered Democrats are going for Hillary in a big way (vs Independents for Bernie) should mean that the superdelegates have no reason to change their affiliation.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
32. i am sure superdelegates look at the popular vote totals a couple different ways
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

the national total which hillary is clobbering sanders and the state and local count....they also also process electabilty...and no matter what sander supporters think...bernie has not had the conservative rightwing cannons pointed at him...while hillary has withstood 30 years of it....

bernie will be blasted out of the water the same George McGovern was , Michael Dukalkis was.....to the point the soccer moms will not vote for him...and he already has issues with blacks, hispanics and women to begin with

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riversedge

(70,049 posts)
30. I sent the camp a small donation just this am. Hillary needs to know we stand with her no
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

matter how small--or big the donation.

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