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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:30 PM May 2015

Okay Hillary Supporters, I have an idea.

Senator Sanders has just come out and said he does not like name calling, negative ideas and campaigning etc... Maybe it is time for him to see exactly how his supporters act and see what he thinks. I am going to email the good Senator's campaign with at least one link so he can see come and read DU. Maybe he would join up with a really cool screen name.

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Okay Hillary Supporters, I have an idea. (Original Post) leftofcool May 2015 OP
like leftofcool? dlwickham May 2015 #1
Do you now? leftofcool May 2015 #3
hehe dlwickham May 2015 #37
That is a great idea! hrmjustin May 2015 #2
I don't think he would be pleased, but I doubt he'd be interested in DU. n/t freshwest May 2015 #4
No, I don't think he would be pleased either. sheshe2 May 2015 #9
They already know Iliyah May 2015 #5
Funny thing, I just found that out. leftofcool May 2015 #6
I think he would be horrified BainsBane May 2015 #7
I agree with that. MADem May 2015 #15
Spot on, IMO. eom BlueMTexpat May 2015 #16
Here's how I'll do my part. Jim Lane May 2015 #24
Is this your way of saying that many of the most strident, Hillary hating, Bernie supporters.... Walk away Aug 2015 #50
Oh, my, you beat me to it. I'll still rant a little further down the thread, though! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #39
Excellent point here, MADem: calimary Jul 2015 #44
Me, too! MADem Jul 2015 #47
He is indeed a gentle giant Iliyah May 2015 #8
I know Hillary can get passed the negative comments and Bernie knows it will not create any votes Thinkingabout May 2015 #10
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2015 #11
"...he does not like name calling, negative ideas and campaigning etc..." Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #12
You do realize this is the Hillary Clinton group right? still_one May 2015 #17
I do now. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #20
It actually is easy to do inadvertently still_one May 2015 #21
Especially when it's on the homepage. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #25
I got bounced from the Bernie group for something redstateblues Aug 2015 #51
Maybe I'm retarded, Paka May 2015 #13
. stonecutter357 May 2015 #14
That is not what the OP is referring to. Equating her as no difference with republicans is name still_one May 2015 #18
That's not name calling, that's comparing and contrasting. cui bono May 2015 #27
Name calling BainsBane May 2015 #29
Quote from Skinner: freshwest Jul 2015 #41
Calling Hillary a republicon is dirty name calling and beyond ignorant. Cha Jul 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots May 2015 #19
I find both sides are being disrepectful, and I don't get it. C Moon May 2015 #22
It's just as wrong Flying Squirrel May 2015 #23
True, but the bad ones are particularly aggressive and hostile BainsBane May 2015 #31
Okay, wait... so you want to 'tattle' on Bernie supporters of DU? cui bono May 2015 #26
Yep, I'd say telling a Hillary supporter that their lips are glued to Hillary's ass IS childish leftofcool May 2015 #28
Seriously? BainsBane May 2015 #32
Maybe you do NOT understand, but this is a private group for Hillary Clinton supporters. The still_one May 2015 #33
For transparency I am the poster this poster is talking about hrmjustin May 2015 #38
Many "sanders" posters that they are helping the right wing plot to attack HRC from the left Gothmog May 2015 #30
My guess is that they are hardly representative of Bernie's real-life supporters. onehandle May 2015 #34
I am curious... DURHAM D Jul 2015 #43
Hey you and i made the shit list. hrmjustin May 2015 #35
The OP deleted that post Gothmog Jul 2015 #45
He is banned. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #46
I got a hide for saying.... MaggieD May 2015 #36
He considers HRC a friend as she helped fund his Senate run through HILLPAC. freshwest Jul 2015 #40
great post dionysus Aug 2015 #48
Thanks! n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #49
I'm sure he has better taste. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #52
Personally, I wouldn't bother. As my friend BainsBane says "they are his greatest liability". I... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #53
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. That is a great idea!
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:32 PM
May 2015

Maybe he can tell them to back off their rhetoric about us.

It would be greatly appreciated.

sheshe2

(83,647 posts)
9. No, I don't think he would be pleased either.
Tue May 26, 2015, 12:24 AM
May 2015

And, who would be interested in a what has seemingly become a RW site, freshwest.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
6. Funny thing, I just found that out.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:51 PM
May 2015

Emailed a friend who does not post here about my idea and it seems Bernie is already getting links from here and another forum. She is also a Bernie supporter and as I understand it, he is not pleased. She would not elaborate.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
7. I think he would be horrified
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:51 PM
May 2015

My sense is that he is far better than some of his supporters, and I have said many times they are his worst liability. I don't have any broadcast or cable television, so my exposure to Sanders comes through print media and his supporters on DU. I started out saying that I won't let them determine my view of him, but that is becoming increasingly difficult.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. I agree with that.
Tue May 26, 2015, 01:49 AM
May 2015

I also think some of his "supporters" are not actually supporting him. They want to lead his genuine supporters into "hate" mode and play a divide and conquer game.

It's easy to rile up the crowd by getting exhortative, and making false or spurious associations. A lot of times, people will provide a link and unless you click on it, you don't realize that what they're claiming isn't really what the link is saying.

I mean, really, with the right sort of dramatic, hot-breathed rhetoric, you can claim that any politician you dislike eats dogs! Yep, they're BOILING little dogs and EATING them! The BASTARDS!!!

I don't think Senator Sanders would be friends with Hillary Clinton for a quarter century if she were so awful. What does that say about his judgment--if she's so "awful" and he calls his dear friend? After all, he took money from her, and he has an ongoing friendship with her. How can anyone pointing and fussing about Clinton having a picture taken at an awards show with someone they don't like reconcile the fact that Sanders took HILLPAC money for his Senate run from her? How could HE "associate with" someone that is all of the things that his (cough) supporters (cough) claim? How could he call her friend, and say he won't attack her?

They want to silence people who are interested in the issues, they want to create dissent and hate. I say stick to the facts, and point out their conduct. Don't return fire, alert if needs must, even if it doesn't work, the admins will see it.

When they start in with the personal insults make sure that their comments are memorialized.

I hope the admins recognize that they've got a problem here. It hasn't reached critical mass yet, but it is headed that way.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
24. Here's how I'll do my part.
Tue May 26, 2015, 03:06 AM
May 2015

You write:

I also think some of his "supporters" are not actually supporting him. They want to lead his genuine supporters into "hate" mode and play a divide and conquer game.


My pledge toward civility is that I will not question the motives and integrity of Clinton supporters. I believe that people who post in support of Clinton on this board are doing so out of sincere conviction. If, in the heat of argument, I fall short of that standard, all of you are invited to call me on it.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
50. Is this your way of saying that many of the most strident, Hillary hating, Bernie supporters....
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 12:16 PM
Aug 2015

aren't really working against the Democratic party? Your promised civility will get lost in all of the hatred and bile posted by your fellow Sanders supporters. It's a poor bargain. See if you can get your fellow travelers to make the same promise. We know that will never happen.

calimary

(81,107 posts)
44. Excellent point here, MADem:
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jul 2015

"I don't think Senator Sanders would be friends with Hillary Clinton for a quarter century if she were so awful. What does that say about his judgment--if she's so "awful" and he calls his dear friend? After all, he took money from her, and he has an ongoing friendship with her. How can anyone pointing and fussing about Clinton having a picture taken at an awards show with someone they don't like reconcile the fact that Sanders took HILLPAC money for his Senate run from her? How could HE "associate with" someone that is all of the things that his (cough) supporters (cough) claim? How could he call her friend, and say he won't attack her?"

Wish the Bernie followers would take this to heart.

Very good point, MADem. And he took money from her, too. She provided him help, and he happily accepted. What, in the Bernie FanLand, would that say about him, then? Wouldn't that make him somehow unclean? And I'm sure that would somehow render her even more icky and evil than they seem to think she already is?

SHEESH.

Tired of this shit. Can't wait for primary season to be OVER.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Me, too!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

I've been catching up on TV lately--lots of good programming that I've been wanting to see. It's way more fun than dealing with the bullshit and trolls here, which is a pity, because normally this is a fun community, but it's been infested by a few provacateurs who are doing a bang-up job of influencing the easily led, and goading and baiting the passionate. Makes normal conversation next to impossible, regretfully.

For those who like mindless period soap operas in Spanish language, VELVET and GRAN HOTEL are must-sees! NETFLIX is where you can find them. Beats the hell out of this "Beating Up on Clinton as a Substitute for Ideas" horseshit! On network/cable television (and in Europe as well as USA, UK is a couple of episodes ahead) I recommend HUMANS--it's a sci-fi thriller about robots called "synths" -- great characters and pacing! And then there's Mr. Robot, which I'm still trying to make my mind up about....it's very angst-y but it's nicely filmed. The star of the piece is an interesting fellow with issues who could be described as the poster child for anhedonia. Halt and Catch Fire is back on AMC, that's a fun time waster, too.

Caging the hateful rhetoric in the GDP has helped slightly, but only just. I think a lot of people are going to be busy deleting posts once the primary ends, which is why, if anyone says anything really nasty, and if one chooses to respond to them, it's a good idea to quote 'em....!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. I know Hillary can get passed the negative comments and Bernie knows it will not create any votes
Tue May 26, 2015, 12:50 AM
May 2015

for him. This is a reality, I am beginning to think there are trollers in mass and probably a source of lots of negative comments.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
12. "...he does not like name calling, negative ideas and campaigning etc..."
Tue May 26, 2015, 01:20 AM
May 2015

I know.

Hillary supporters have all the fun.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
13. Maybe I'm retarded,
Tue May 26, 2015, 01:28 AM
May 2015

but I don't see how discussing their differences on the issues and their stands on specifics constitutes negative ideas and name calling.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
18. That is not what the OP is referring to. Equating her as no difference with republicans is name
Tue May 26, 2015, 02:17 AM
May 2015

calling.

Also, this is the Hillary Clinton group

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
27. That's not name calling, that's comparing and contrasting.
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:58 AM
May 2015

How else do you decide who is right for you? You have to look at where they stand on issues and who their alliances and associates are.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
29. Name calling
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:00 AM
May 2015

Someone supports Clinton or simply fails to demonstrate hatred for Clinton: you are allied with Goldman Sachs and the 1 percent.
You are responsible for murder. Claiming anyone who supports Clinton is voting to impose oligarchy (idiotic for number of reasons). African Americans are too "uninformed" to support the right candidate. Comments equating Hillary Clinton with her husband's policies (except single payer, something she actually tried to implement. That is always left out). Comments blaming her for her husband's infidelity, calling her an old woman, references to cankles, her balls, posting photo shopped pictures of her as an ugly queen. On and on and one.

Additionally, a lot of what passes for issues is in fact projection, a group think narrative that has set in that bears little relation to her actual positions. Supporting that is a doctored chart claiming investment banks are her biggest contributors, when in fact that same source in another tab shows the sectors that have contributed the most to her and PACs for her are lawyers, educators, and women's groups, with finance quite far down on the list.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
41. Quote from Skinner:
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:26 AM
Jul 2015
Skinner ADMIN - Jan-15-04

8. The mods have made their decision.


Calling a candidate a Republican is not appropriate. In fact, they felt that it was pretty much the definition of "extreme and inflammatory" on a progressive message board.

That was DU2. While DU3 has degraded to that kind of name calling, people have had hides for calling others GOP or accusing them of being GOP. There is more than one kind of name calling, and the ideological, rather than vulgar or bigoted, is what kind that is.

Response to leftofcool (Original post)

C Moon

(12,208 posts)
22. I find both sides are being disrepectful, and I don't get it.
Tue May 26, 2015, 02:38 AM
May 2015

I'm going to weigh the differences then decide.
I'm leaning toward Bernie now, but I am not writing off Hillary.
One thing is for sure: I detest the GOP.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
23. It's just as wrong
Tue May 26, 2015, 02:38 AM
May 2015

To paint all Bernie supporters with the same brush as it is when SOME Bernie supporters paint all Hillary supporters with a different brush.

For myself, I'm a Bernie supporter who does not attack Hillary, and though I'm not 100% in her camp I would welcome her becoming the next president; I feel she would have been better than Obama on progressive issues, I regret having supported him over her during the 2007-8 primaries.

I do agree that Bernie would be displeased with many of the things SOME of his supporters have posted - and perhaps the same might be true of Hillary regarding some of her own supporters here. I'd be willing to bet that both of them have bigger issues on their minds than DU rivalries, however.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
31. True, but the bad ones are particularly aggressive and hostile
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:04 AM
May 2015

and relentless in their attacks, not just of Clinton but especially other DUers who diverge from orthodoxy even slightly.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
26. Okay, wait... so you want to 'tattle' on Bernie supporters of DU?
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:56 AM
May 2015

You were the one calling Bernie supporters childish all over another thread.

Now, before I continue, I saw this OP on the Greatest Page so that's why I clicked on it. I did not come into the group looking for trouble.

I'll tell you something I see in here though. In the top 8 posts of this Hillary group are two that are complaining about Bernie supporters, this one plotting against them.

In the entire first page of posts in the Bernie group you don't find anything similar at all, they are all about Bernie himself, or something to do with him, but certainly not about Hillary supporters.

A couple weeks ago (I think around then) there was a negative post about Hillary supporters and it was locked and self-deleted and several Bernie supporters, myself included, asked in the OP (and I sent a pm to a host asking for the OP to be deleted/locked) to not do that. As I said, the OP was locked and self-deleted.

I realize the whole Bernie supporters are mean and childish is the new thing on DU, but we are not plotting as a group against Hillary supporters like this OP is. And when there was a negative post about Hillary supporters it was taken down due to the dislike of it, it was not cheered on as this OP is, or the one about Ghadaffi is. We aren't looking at this as a war between supporters as this group seems to based on these two well regarded OPs.

Also, I have had a personal experience with a very active Hillary supporter where they edited a post well after I had replied and they had replied to me again. It was a very dishonest thing to do, editing a post to make it seem that my response was completely wrong. I don't attribute that to all Hillary supporters though. I look at people based on their posts and actions on DU.

How about you do the same and worry about your own OPs and posts and don't look at this as a war between supporters and use this group to plot against the 'others'. To ask what you guys keep asking Bernie supporters.. is this the way you think Hillary would want you to act?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
28. Yep, I'd say telling a Hillary supporter that their lips are glued to Hillary's ass IS childish
Tue May 26, 2015, 06:54 AM
May 2015

As far as tattling, it appears that Senator Sanders is already aware of some of his supporters words. Please remember that this is a safe haven for Hillary supporters.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
32. Seriously?
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:08 AM
May 2015

I served on a jury for a post in the Sanders group that listen by name Clinton supporters to target or put on ignore lists. There were about six. There are very few Clinton supporters. They are a vilified minority. Even some Sanders supporters have come into this room and said while they support Sanders, they think the Hillary supporters are nicer people. I post in here, not because I'm a Clinton supporter (I'm undecided) but because these folks don't treat me like dog shit on the bottom of their shoe.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
33. Maybe you do NOT understand, but this is a private group for Hillary Clinton supporters. The
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

statement of purpose is the following:

"Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Supporters only."

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
30. Many "sanders" posters that they are helping the right wing plot to attack HRC from the left
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:01 AM
May 2015

Karl Rove and the righties are baiting "liberals" to attack HRC from the left. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102684946 Many of the attacks on HRC are simply repeating right wing talking points and are furthering the goals of Rove and comany

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
34. My guess is that they are hardly representative of Bernie's real-life supporters.
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

Keep in mind that most of them here were hog-wild for Elizabeth until very, very recently. And that many would jump ship if she joined the race.

No. What we are witnessing at DU is not 'Go Bernie!,' but sadly still — 'Not Hillary!'

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
43. I am curious...
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jul 2015

Do you not realize that the hog-wild support for Elizabeth was to considerable extent also a "Not Hillary" thing pushed by the Paulites and Roachers.

jftr - I really like Elizabeth and also like Bernie. Neither can win the general.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. He considers HRC a friend as she helped fund his Senate run through HILLPAC.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:55 PM - Edit history (1)

That's why remarks like 'coronation' and 'warmonger' and other such perjoratives would not be favored by him because he knows her well and respects her decades of steady, unheralded progressive work.

One could call him a supporter of the MIC for the F-35 which is pork barrel for his state. One could call him a warmonger for supporting Israeli defense funds and the Kosovo campaign. He's for wiping out ISIS and says Israel is key to that aim.

Some don't appear to want to do anything in a world where the leaders in this world are burnt like strawdogs by the fickle masses when they are protecting those same people.

The same people that spit at Obama forget he has held true to his promise when he said, 'Social Security will not be privatized as long as I am in office.' Yet every GOP running has promised exactly that.

No Democrat supports it. But they will have to deal with those the voters and non-voters send to Congress or the White House. They are disrespected for this miserable task. Those who refuse to vote in 2016 because their person doesn't get the nod, will have the blood of Millions on their hands. They have no moral compass if they allow this to happen. Sanders calls the GOP plan for what it really is: Murder. But we all know that, don't we?

He knows he cannot get all he wants, has even begged those who come to his rallies to give him a Congress he can work with. This is the same thing that Obama has done.

These politicians don't live in the rarified air of self-righteous, 'No, I won't vote!' online warriors or those who have a visceral hatred for Clinton. We cannot afford this infantilism. He stumped the nation last year begging people to vote against the GOP.

Yet some would hand them the Presidency over to them in an fit of puerile petulance. I think he knows vastly more about Clinton than online pundits and he respects her.

Is that too much to ask for a site that bills itself as a haven for Democrats to live up to his standards? Of course, it's not just this site that's spinning the crank handle to get more water out of the well for whatever reason they are doing it. That alkaline water tastes lousy.

The Democratic party has given Bernie a lot of favors and he has voted with Democratic legislation 98% of the time, more than most Democrats! Howard Dean calls him a liberal DEMOCRAT!

They've funded his runs, didn't run competing candidates, accepted him with open arms and he is a favored member of the Democratic group the CPC, been approved by the DLC and welcomed by all candidates in the Democratic Party in his run for POTUS. The money of the party is carrying Bernie.

He's been given good committee assignments by Democrats no GOP ever would. He'd be sick if he read some of the stuff posted here.

To those who regard HRC as the ultimate evil:

What if he's Hillary's stalking horse to move the national conversation closer to what she wants it to be?

What if Bernie endorses her at the end?

What will the HRC haters do, commit hari kari?

Or even more so, if he gets the nod and wins the General, and is not able to deliver instant results, will he be, like Obama:



You bet he will!
But I'll be one of the ones defending him, not calling him names and snarling 'I was 'betrayed.'

Only children think they've been lied to, or been betrayed when a parent can't afford to get them the latest toy or can't take them to Camp Perfection.

People definitely need to lighten up:



The critical words from that song:

'You can all sleep sound tonight. I'm not crazy... or anything.'

That's what we've had since 2009 and still, he's despised. People should think about who they are going after, it might be the very best friend they were ever going to get.

Not all have the spiritual basis to be as patient and forgiving as the families in Charleston or Obama. Make good use of these days and show some love and compassion. We won't get this chance again.



Tarheel_Dem

(31,221 posts)
53. Personally, I wouldn't bother. As my friend BainsBane says "they are his greatest liability". I...
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

say let 'em have at it. We've seen their true colors, and I have no interest in tamping it down. Let the world see the dark soul of some of his more rabid supporters. I showed a particularly horrific thread to a co-worker who was on the fence, and suffice to say she is now firmly in the Hillary camp, and working to get her husband on board.

Some of the most egregious stuff like "race nagging" & "identity politics" are expected from frothing rightwingers, but it's showing up here, among some of DU's most celebrated lefties. I have to say it's a very disturbing trend, but most revealing.

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