I got my first post hidden in 15 years

[Hobo]

The Bernie people voted to hide it.....

[Cha]

1. I take it wasn't against TOS? Just didn't like what you had to say, Hobo?

[Hobo]

2. Nah

all they could come up with was it was disruptive

[Cha]

7. Yeah, I've been on enough juries for their alerts to see that one ad nauseam and it works for them..

but not for fairness.

I keep asking Skinner on these various Hide threads to please do something about it. I know he says they don't undo hides but how about making it so there's a level playing field for all the board.. not just the majority to drive Hillary supporters off?

Make it only possible to hide posts when they are against TOS.. and create a TOS that is solid where there is no wiggle room.

No personal insults or attacks, no calling anyone a "****" "***" or any of the other names they've been coming up with.

And, you can't hide legitimate news articles on the candidates. No RW Sources! there's a shocker!!!

[Hobo]

3. Then I got 4 PMs

telling me they will meet me in the street....Ha Ha Im 6'4 and 250 lbs they would run if the saw my in the street

[Cha]

8. 4!?! You can report those as abuse PMs if you are so inclined..

sounds like grade school.

[Hobo]

9. I did EOM

[brer cat]

26. Hobo, I'm glad you can take those pms with a sense of humor

but it is nevertheless appalling that we have members who act like hooligans.

[Fla Dem]

35. They are obviously Trump suporters who want Bernie to be the candidate because

they think he is the weaker opposition.

[Firebrand Gary]

4. Stay on your tippy-toes Hobo.

I had my first post hidden after 10 years, a few weeks ago. There's a whole strategy where if it's alerted and your a Hillary supporter, you're likely to get it hidden with no relevance to the TOS.

[FarPoint]

5. They are not following the intent of this Board...

That said, no one is stopping them either. They are like snipers.

[sharp_stick]

6. They're just a little touchy

Not all of them of course but some have really taken that arrogant berniebro shit to heart and seem to have turned it into a lifestyle.
Keep your head up, they sometimes enjoy stalking.

[Hobo]

10. let them come

They are just keyboard commandos.......and ignore button is your friend

[NurseJackie]

21. 1200 on my list ...

... and growing.

[LisaM]

11. Wow. Since 2001,I have had one locked thread, one post removed..

and made one alert. William Rivers Pitt locked me for calling Pope Benedict a Fuehrer (note: I am Catholic), I had a post pulled in 2004 for using the word "Deaniac" - which I did not realize was unallowed- and in 2008 I alerted on a racist comment. So, huh.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Me too....

One lock thread back eight years ago, and one hidden message about a week ago.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. Deaniac, that's a label I'd forgotten

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Most of the 2004 primary was so civil. Maybe because it was when Bush was in office and there was a common enemy. Dennis Kucinich was the far left candidate but his supporters didn't stoop to the cheap shots that many of Sanders have.

[LisaM]

33. And I didn't realize it we weren't supposed to use it!

I was surprised, but I instantly stopped.

[21st Century Poet]

32. Don't do to others what you don't want done to you.

Those who alerted your comments and voted to hide them are absolutely ridiculous but alerting someone else's comment is not the best thing you can do either.

You have every right to feel offended but others have every right to say something which you find offensive. That is what free speech is about. That is why last year We Were Charlie. It wasn't because those crude, unfunny and highly offensive (to Muslims) cartoons were great works of art. It is because the cartoonists have a right to publish material which others find offensive.

I don't care what people say. I will never alert on anyone and I will never vote to hide anyone's comments. When I serve on a jury, voting Leave it Alone comes very naturally to me, regardless of the content. Freedom of speech cannot be done by halves. You are either for it or against it and I find it deeply disturbing when students stop speakers from giving speeches at universities or demand that monuments and works of art be taken down.

Who are you to decide what is racist and what isn't? What you find offensive, other people might not. I believe that people have the capability to read other people's comments and reach their own conclusions. People don't need to be protected by an overlord. If something is truly offensive to a majority of people, the commenter will simply have made a fool of him or herself and will not get much sympathy. Silly commenters don't need to be pushed by alerters to fall on their own backside. They can do it all by themselves without any help.

[dubyadiprecession]

13. The bernie group is all about censorship. When reality doesn't conform to..

their expectations, they become very missouri...um.. I mean miserable.

[Surya Gayatri]

14. Wear it as a badge of honor, Hobo. You're now the member of a proud club.

[pandr32]

34. I love it!

[DemonGoddess]

15. Don't feel bad

I got my only hide ever, after 13 years here, on Monday. It was quite silly. I expect yours was silly too.

[Sancho]

16. Welcome to the club!!

If you are critical of St. Bern, or post a link to factual information, or call out the Hillary haters - then the piranha will swam and they will attack. They vote to hide without comment - or even bash and trash Hillary in the comments.

Chances are that some are paid operatives of the Koch machine, but GDP is an asylum and the jury system doesn't work.

After yesterday's Super Tuesday, it's obvious that DU does not reflect real progressive Democrats.

[Coolest Ranger]

17. Be sure to alert on it

so that the admins can take a look at the alerters. I'm done playing nice with them

[stonecutter357]

18. nb4hide!

[longship]

19. Are you proud of getting a post hidden?

I have one hide in my years here. When I got it, I reevaluated my posting style. Because of other posters, I was informed of two other juries. Again, I had to reevaluate my posting style. I have had none others that I know of.

Let's get this straight. If you are getting posts hidden you are doing something wrong here. (Well, maybe not just one.) However, I would advise DUers that we are all in this together. And getting jury hides is no badge of honor.

And I don't buy the argument that Bernie people are doing it. Not just one hide.

The jury system is not perfect. But I serve on juries all the time. I always treat it as a somber duty to make DU a better place. I set aside personal opinions and try to take the context of the post into consideration. But I confess that I have very low tolerance for personal attacks here. In my opinion, they serve no purpose here other than to troll.

So I recommend anybody who would cheer their hides to consider that maybe, just maybe, they deserved it. Since you did not post a link to your hide, I cannot judge it. However, take this as just generic advise.

My best to you. And if Bernie supporters are ganging up on you, let me know. I am a Bernie supporter and I will back you up. My advice? Be polite when you disagree.

[stevenleser]

20. Pre-Bernie all of what you just wrote would have been correct

But given what's happened here these last few months you are not correct and even Skinner has admitted there is a problem here with unfair alerts.

In the case of the OP and the rest of us who have had these posts hidden, it IS a badge of honor.

[longship]

23. I do not take political differences here personally.

I understand that some do. But I am not buying the argument that Bernie supporters are gang alerting Hilary supporters, or vice versa. I take jury service very seriously and I regularly get called to that duty. I see few to no hides which I disagree with. And trust me, if that were happening I would know it because I get called on juries more than once a day that I am active.

However I consider personal attacks to be unacceptable here. I will generally vote hide on those.

Best regards.

[Hobo]

24. Well, considering I didn't make a personal attack........

I made a general comment on the....oh never mind.......

[DemonGoddess]

25. I agree that personal attacks are unacceptable

However, the personal attacks from the other side end up being highly recommended and not hidden. In fact, they are celebrated. My hide was for a statement of opinion IN THIS GROUP. I didn't call anyone names, nor did I use any foul language, or anything of that nature.

[longship]

29. Well, I would take it up with the hosts, or the admins.

If you think it was wrong, that is what I would do.

The jury system has flaws. But when I vote LEAVE because I think the alert was frivolous, it is very rarely hidden. So I generally support the jury system. And I get called all the time. I almost always participate, because I am one of the good jurors. You want me on your jury because I will always be fair.

Personal attacks deserve an alert and a hide. And again, although I regularly serve on juries I see little to no abuse where the outcome disagrees with my vote. My line is fairly fine. And I take it very seriously.

And if you see a personal attack "from the other side" alert on it. I will support the alert if it am on the jury. (BTW, I thought we were all on the same side. I know.)

[stevenleser]

31. We have. And they agree there is an issue and have promised changes. I trust them. nt

[Cha]

28. "But I am not buying the argument that Bernie supporters are gang alerting Hilary supporters"..

It doesn't matter whether you're buying it or not.. it's happening... I've been enough juries to know.. and enough of my friends have been silenced and on enforced time outs for nothing.

[William769]

37. This person just sent me another PM to unblock them from this Group.

Don't get me wrong I am not against unblocking anyone. But when you send a PM doubling down, You can kiss any unblock good bye. Also it earned them a place on the ignore PM so now I don't have to worry about the PM"S.

I just wanted you to know my reasoning Cha.

[Cha]

38. Thank you, William.. it's the same way I felt about it.

[21st Century Poet]

30. Free speech is absolute.

I have only been on this forum for a short while but I have served on a jury a few times. I have always voted to Leave it Alone, and I always will. Freedom of speech to me is like death and pregnancy. It cannot be done by halves. You cannot be just a little pregnant and you cannot be just a little dead. You either are or you are not That goes for being in favour of freedom of speech too.

Freedom of speech means a right to be offended but it also means a right to say things which others might find offensive. Take the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Do I think that those cartoons are crude, not very funny and offensive to many people? Absolutely. Do I think the publishers should be free to publish them? No doubt about it.

I do not care what you say. I will never alert your comment and I will never vote to hide it. And when someone alerts a comment which they think I might find offensive, they are not doing me a favour. Quite the contrary in fact because my principles tell me that no one should be censored. If I were to serve on a jury for an offensive comment directed at me, I would still vote to Leave it Alone.

If it were up to me, I would have the jury and hiding system abolished and I would let everyone have their say without compromise and fear of censure.

[Mosby]

36. DU is a private board

Free speech is not really the issue, but following the site owners terms of service is as well as following the SoP for the various groups and forums.

Your basically saying that you will not and have not participated on juries in good faith, in the future you should opt out and let people who care about DU sit on the juries.

[liberal N proud]

27. I think my first was at the hands of the BS'ERS.

I trashed GD-P after that.