Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumHere's a pretty good example of a disorganized campaign:
Team,
I have some bad news. I just came back from the Colorado Douglas County Democratic Assembly and Convention. Here's what happened: We have more than 48,000 democrats in the county, but only about 4700 came out to cast a vote in the caucus. Out of those, Bernie Sanders got about 2300 votes, and Clinton got about 2000. So in theory, Bernie won our district by about 300 popular vote. However, because not enough Bernie Sander Delegate show up at the County Assembly and Convention, Clinton now has a 107 delegate, and Bernie 98.
My understanding is that some "non-committed" delegates went for Hillary, but the main reason we don't have enough delegate is that Bernie people are NOT showing up. I am no sure if it is due to them being naive, young, or new to the process, but that's the reality and that's what we are dealing with. Colorado is already a thin margin victory for Bernie, now because people are lazy and not bothering to show, we might end up losing.
Anyway, in my district, there are now 16 Clinton delegates and 12 Bernie delegates. Originally, there was supposed to be more Bernie delegates than Clinton! So we end up having to send 6 Clinton delegates and 4 Bernie delegates to the State Assembly. So we ended up losing by 2 delegates when we won the district by almost 10% in popular vote.
If you are a Bernie Delegate in Douglas County and you didn't bother to go to the convention today, YOU are the reason the delegates are not reflecting on people's voices. You cannot blame the party establishment, you cannot blame the media or the super delegates. YOU are responsible for us losing. If you pledge to be a delegate, then you NEED to show up. Either don't sign up in the beginning, or follow through if you do. It is the responsible things to do.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4b4qri/colorado_douglas_county_democrat_assembly_and/
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)on their delegates to show up. Too many cooks in the kitchen,I think.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)campaigns in the past should certainly know better than to not check that their delegates are going show up.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Priorities
riversedge
(70,092 posts)livetohike
(22,124 posts)watch the spectacle. It's not producing votes or commitment. The revolution is fizzling out.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I'm sure each convention will encounter some version of this!
Every time we look at pledged delegate counts, Hillary has a higher number!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)There is going to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth on this.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)The process is screwed up. It's the process's fault. Maybe they didn't know they had to anything more.
"Maybe they didn't know they had to anything more" LOL! I wonder if they don't understand the meaning of the word "delegate"?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)It's hard to blame the delegates who may have had no idea what being a delegate even involves,that's the campaign's job and it's crucial to any campaign.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...they're not stupid. I'll bet that the elected delegates met after each caucus to make plans to attend the district caucus. They knew they just didn't care enough to show up.
Maybe it's because they finally got those hot dates they were after or they got drunk the night before, had a hangover and slept in.
These is the same people that joined their friends at the "need to be seen at Bernie rallies", and then didn't show up to vote.
Surely there are provisions for alternate delegates to attend if someone gets sick or has an accident, but evidently they just didn't show up and told no one.
This is why young people are the least reliable voting segment in the country.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... had time to get his shit together and didn't take advantage of any of it.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)In many ways they are just like every corp of young people I've every seen in my rather long life. Politics is just not there highest priority at that stage of life for the majority of them.
otohara
(24,135 posts)and when it came time for Sanders supporters to volunteer to be delegates...there was no interest until they realized the consequences. Most of them bolted out the door as soon as the count was taken.
Colorado Democrats must change back to the primary system - the turnout was terrible, it's disenfranchising to senior citizens, workers and confusing to new comers.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)with your assessment. Caucuses are a horrible idea.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)But until they do, you have to make them work for your candidate.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)in a professional manner.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Lol. To be fair, I think caucuses should be done away with, since they make it more difficult for certain groups to participate in the democratic process.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)not an advantage after all!
Hekate
(90,564 posts)But the fact is: Hillary voters show up and vote.
Bernistas complain about superdelegates (who they have now decided they want) and the lack of voter registration efforts at their yuuuge rallies (which is their responsibility in the first place), but the fact is: Hillary has accrued more votes, period. Hillary has accrued more votes than Trump. Hillary has accrued more votes than Sanders.
I am beginning to think we are the more mature bloc in every respect. 80% of success is showing up. I think we are going to win this.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)That's crazy stupid lack of organization.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)My high school friends (we're now college aged, although not all are in college) had among them many Bernie supporters back in the fall. They were loud and posted a lot on social media. Many have since grown tired, a couple have switched to Hillary, and just a few are still on the soapbox. I think when something seems new and fresh, young people tend to get excited. But we are all so busy with real life that the new-ness wears off and we find something more novel.
Clearly I'm generalizing, but it is certainly a trend I have noticed in my own friend group. My college friends have all been for Hillary, so I have nothing to report from them.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)That's not to disparage young people,we've all been there. But if you're going to run a campaign powered on young people,you better give them direction and at least follow up as to whether they're going to show up when you need them.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)They have rallies where all the students show up in their school colors, jerseys and face paint. Then the big day, the football game, cheering on their team. Whether their team wins or loses, by the next day it on to something else. They live moment to moment, event to event. That's why we can't count on this group for the mid-terms. There's no big rallies, no big events, no tee shirts, bumper stickers and buttons. Just the hard work of getting your Democratic candidate for Senate, Congress, state legislature and Governor elected. Just not sexy or exciting enough.
George II
(67,782 posts)....when you've only run for office in a state with a total electorate of about 300,000 voters, such electoral nuances are unheard of.
And this just proves the theory all summer and fall that although Sanders has been attracting big crowds, many of them were curiosity seekers and most likely aren't even old enough to vote.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)know better.This isn't his first national campaign.
George II
(67,782 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)He worked for Gore/Lieberman, Kerry and now Sanders so I don't suppose he's in it for the socialist ideology.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Imagene234
(13 posts)That's why I'm not that impressed when Bernie Sanders he has the majority of the youth vote.
But, while I'm pro Clinton all the way, I find the reddit's OP refreshing- saying explicitly what wrong and how it needs to be fixed. It does get tiring to constantly read that Hillary is winning because she is bought and sold when its actually that there's isn't enough follow through on Sanders's side.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)trying to create order out of chaos on their Reddit site,they don't seem to be having much luck though.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)start harassing them instead of unsuspecting Clinton supporters.
I would be MEGA pissed if I did GOTV and some punk didn't bother to show at the convention after all that work.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)kinda impossible if warm bodies don't bother to show up!
The revolution will be procrastinated!?
note: I don't know why this message/post box is so large for me!
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)LisaM
(27,794 posts)Everyone texts and messages their friends and they show up and have fun and it's great. Then they move on to the next thing. I don't think that it's just the fickleness of youth. There is a social media element to it. And....a fair number of Bernie supporters don't identify as Democrats. Now they are on the hook for attending party events. This doesn't surprise me, and I, too, think that the writer does get it and is at least trying.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)I think a lot has to with age. I have suspected the same is responsible for some of the vitriol we havery seen from BS supporters.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)they didn't clean their rooms by Saturday, as per the agreement with mom...re: ride to the "Bernie Convention".
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)His entire premise on why he can get all the magical unicorns of is a revolution and he can't get his own supporters to show up.
Thankfully he is imploding right now. This would have been a disaster if he was the general election candidate. Not just a disaster for the Presidential campaign but for the very winnable House and Senate races.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)as some wiser people than me have said, "the job isn't done until the paper work is finished." Its a commitment.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)for a minute, but then something new came along. I love youthful exuberance, but it's no substitute for "organization".
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Got to be.