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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:00 PM Mar 2016

Here's a pretty good example of a disorganized campaign:

Team,
I have some bad news. I just came back from the Colorado Douglas County Democratic Assembly and Convention. Here's what happened: We have more than 48,000 democrats in the county, but only about 4700 came out to cast a vote in the caucus. Out of those, Bernie Sanders got about 2300 votes, and Clinton got about 2000. So in theory, Bernie won our district by about 300 popular vote. However, because not enough Bernie Sander Delegate show up at the County Assembly and Convention, Clinton now has a 107 delegate, and Bernie 98.

My understanding is that some "non-committed" delegates went for Hillary, but the main reason we don't have enough delegate is that Bernie people are NOT showing up. I am no sure if it is due to them being naive, young, or new to the process, but that's the reality and that's what we are dealing with. Colorado is already a thin margin victory for Bernie, now because people are lazy and not bothering to show, we might end up losing.

Anyway, in my district, there are now 16 Clinton delegates and 12 Bernie delegates. Originally, there was supposed to be more Bernie delegates than Clinton! So we end up having to send 6 Clinton delegates and 4 Bernie delegates to the State Assembly. So we ended up losing by 2 delegates when we won the district by almost 10% in popular vote.

If you are a Bernie Delegate in Douglas County and you didn't bother to go to the convention today, YOU are the reason the delegates are not reflecting on people's voices. You cannot blame the party establishment, you cannot blame the media or the super delegates. YOU are responsible for us losing. If you pledge to be a delegate, then you NEED to show up. Either don't sign up in the beginning, or follow through if you do. It is the responsible things to do.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4b4qri/colorado_douglas_county_democrat_assembly_and/

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Here's a pretty good example of a disorganized campaign: (Original Post) sufrommich Mar 2016 OP
No doubt they are claiming theft. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #1
I just can't believe the campaign didn't keep sufrommich Mar 2016 #3
Too many kids not enough adults. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #4
Could be,but the people who have been involved in sufrommich Mar 2016 #8
Or that the DNC and DWS are behind it all! wildeyed Mar 2016 #23
And there it is. Large rallies do not translate to votes leftofcool Mar 2016 #2
Spring Break came at a bad time redstateblues Mar 2016 #26
ha ha. A bit ticked off!! too bad. riversedge Mar 2016 #5
Wow! It makes sense though. Those big rallies are to come livetohike Mar 2016 #6
49 more state conventions to report! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #7
Whoa. Lucinda Mar 2016 #9
I like some of the comments below the article CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #10
This is why campaigns need paid,competent organizers. sufrommich Mar 2016 #12
I don't think those people didn't understand what they were signing up for... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #22
Young people are good, its the campaign. I've felt Sanders was the half time show from the start but uponit7771 Mar 2016 #44
Nothing wrong with the current crop of young people.... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #47
I Chaired For My Dist. in CO Caucus otohara Mar 2016 #11
I hate the very idea of caucuses and I agree sufrommich Mar 2016 #13
I agree, all caucus need to go the way of the dinosaurs CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #24
Yep,and you need people who understand caucuses sufrommich Mar 2016 #27
And suddenly caucus states aren't an advantage for the BS campaign! KitSileya Mar 2016 #14
this! Her Sister Mar 2016 #45
Hillary voters SHOW UP. The media and Bernistas talk about lack of energy, excitement, etc etc etc Hekate Mar 2016 #15
I'm just stunned his campaign is this haphazard. sufrommich Mar 2016 #16
I do think it may be somewhat due to youth. anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #17
I agree. Youth is fickle and easily bored. sufrommich Mar 2016 #19
You can lead a horse to water, but.... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #28
I posted somewhere before, to them it's like the lead up to a big football game. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #46
That's the way that caucuses work. Too bad they don't understand stuff like that. Of course.... George II Mar 2016 #18
That may excuse Sanders,but Devine should certainly sufrommich Mar 2016 #20
Yes, and he has yet to be in a winning campaign. Probably because of bungles like this. George II Mar 2016 #38
He'll cash his checks either way Rose Siding Mar 2016 #40
That was entertaining. UtahLib Mar 2016 #21
Dag, yo Imagene234 Mar 2016 #25
I agree. They've got some people who are sufrommich Mar 2016 #29
Scheduling that during March Madness is clear disenfranchisment PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #30
Lol.nt sufrommich Mar 2016 #31
That was nuts. n/t wildeyed Mar 2016 #33
Maybe they will stalk the ones who didn't show, wildeyed Mar 2016 #32
that makes the revolution Her Sister Mar 2016 #34
Huge rallies are fine. But they don't count at the ballot box. Only voting does. nt kstewart33 Mar 2016 #35
It's a flash mob mentality LisaM Mar 2016 #36
There's no ap for that liberal N proud Mar 2016 #37
This is easy to explain... Kang Colby Mar 2016 #39
Viva La Revolution Trenzalore Mar 2016 #41
If they don't know the process they might as well stay in bed...... Historic NY Mar 2016 #42
When we get to the end of this, "The Bern" will be but a footnote, much like Occupy. It was fun.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #43
It's Hillary's fault! NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #48

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. I just can't believe the campaign didn't keep
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

on their delegates to show up. Too many cooks in the kitchen,I think.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. Could be,but the people who have been involved in
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

campaigns in the past should certainly know better than to not check that their delegates are going show up.

livetohike

(22,124 posts)
6. Wow! It makes sense though. Those big rallies are to come
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:04 PM
Mar 2016

watch the spectacle. It's not producing votes or commitment. The revolution is fizzling out.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. 49 more state conventions to report!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure each convention will encounter some version of this!

Every time we look at pledged delegate counts, Hillary has a higher number!

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
10. I like some of the comments below the article
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

The process is screwed up. It's the process's fault. Maybe they didn't know they had to anything more.

"Maybe they didn't know they had to anything more" LOL! I wonder if they don't understand the meaning of the word "delegate"?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
12. This is why campaigns need paid,competent organizers.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

It's hard to blame the delegates who may have had no idea what being a delegate even involves,that's the campaign's job and it's crucial to any campaign.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
22. I don't think those people didn't understand what they were signing up for...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

...they're not stupid. I'll bet that the elected delegates met after each caucus to make plans to attend the district caucus. They knew they just didn't care enough to show up.

Maybe it's because they finally got those hot dates they were after or they got drunk the night before, had a hangover and slept in.

These is the same people that joined their friends at the "need to be seen at Bernie rallies", and then didn't show up to vote.

Surely there are provisions for alternate delegates to attend if someone gets sick or has an accident, but evidently they just didn't show up and told no one.

This is why young people are the least reliable voting segment in the country.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
44. Young people are good, its the campaign. I've felt Sanders was the half time show from the start but
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

... had time to get his shit together and didn't take advantage of any of it.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
47. Nothing wrong with the current crop of young people....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:17 AM
Mar 2016

In many ways they are just like every corp of young people I've every seen in my rather long life. Politics is just not there highest priority at that stage of life for the majority of them.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
11. I Chaired For My Dist. in CO Caucus
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

and when it came time for Sanders supporters to volunteer to be delegates...there was no interest until they realized the consequences. Most of them bolted out the door as soon as the count was taken.

Colorado Democrats must change back to the primary system - the turnout was terrible, it's disenfranchising to senior citizens, workers and confusing to new comers.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
24. I agree, all caucus need to go the way of the dinosaurs
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

But until they do, you have to make them work for your candidate.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
14. And suddenly caucus states aren't an advantage for the BS campaign!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

Lol. To be fair, I think caucuses should be done away with, since they make it more difficult for certain groups to participate in the democratic process.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
15. Hillary voters SHOW UP. The media and Bernistas talk about lack of energy, excitement, etc etc etc
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

But the fact is: Hillary voters show up and vote.

Bernistas complain about superdelegates (who they have now decided they want) and the lack of voter registration efforts at their yuuuge rallies (which is their responsibility in the first place), but the fact is: Hillary has accrued more votes, period. Hillary has accrued more votes than Trump. Hillary has accrued more votes than Sanders.

I am beginning to think we are the more mature bloc in every respect. 80% of success is showing up. I think we are going to win this.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
17. I do think it may be somewhat due to youth.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:28 PM
Mar 2016

My high school friends (we're now college aged, although not all are in college) had among them many Bernie supporters back in the fall. They were loud and posted a lot on social media. Many have since grown tired, a couple have switched to Hillary, and just a few are still on the soapbox. I think when something seems new and fresh, young people tend to get excited. But we are all so busy with real life that the new-ness wears off and we find something more novel.

Clearly I'm generalizing, but it is certainly a trend I have noticed in my own friend group. My college friends have all been for Hillary, so I have nothing to report from them.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. I agree. Youth is fickle and easily bored.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:32 PM
Mar 2016

That's not to disparage young people,we've all been there. But if you're going to run a campaign powered on young people,you better give them direction and at least follow up as to whether they're going to show up when you need them.

Fla Dem

(23,591 posts)
46. I posted somewhere before, to them it's like the lead up to a big football game.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

They have rallies where all the students show up in their school colors, jerseys and face paint. Then the big day, the football game, cheering on their team. Whether their team wins or loses, by the next day it on to something else. They live moment to moment, event to event. That's why we can't count on this group for the mid-terms. There's no big rallies, no big events, no tee shirts, bumper stickers and buttons. Just the hard work of getting your Democratic candidate for Senate, Congress, state legislature and Governor elected. Just not sexy or exciting enough.



George II

(67,782 posts)
18. That's the way that caucuses work. Too bad they don't understand stuff like that. Of course....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

....when you've only run for office in a state with a total electorate of about 300,000 voters, such electoral nuances are unheard of.

And this just proves the theory all summer and fall that although Sanders has been attracting big crowds, many of them were curiosity seekers and most likely aren't even old enough to vote.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
20. That may excuse Sanders,but Devine should certainly
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

know better.This isn't his first national campaign.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
40. He'll cash his checks either way
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

He worked for Gore/Lieberman, Kerry and now Sanders so I don't suppose he's in it for the socialist ideology.

Imagene234

(13 posts)
25. Dag, yo
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

That's why I'm not that impressed when Bernie Sanders he has the majority of the youth vote.

But, while I'm pro Clinton all the way, I find the reddit's OP refreshing- saying explicitly what wrong and how it needs to be fixed. It does get tiring to constantly read that Hillary is winning because she is bought and sold when its actually that there's isn't enough follow through on Sanders's side.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
29. I agree. They've got some people who are
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

trying to create order out of chaos on their Reddit site,they don't seem to be having much luck though.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
32. Maybe they will stalk the ones who didn't show,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016

start harassing them instead of unsuspecting Clinton supporters.

I would be MEGA pissed if I did GOTV and some punk didn't bother to show at the convention after all that work.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
34. that makes the revolution
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

kinda impossible if warm bodies don't bother to show up!

The revolution will be procrastinated!?



note: I don't know why this message/post box is so large for me!

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
36. It's a flash mob mentality
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone texts and messages their friends and they show up and have fun and it's great. Then they move on to the next thing. I don't think that it's just the fickleness of youth. There is a social media element to it. And....a fair number of Bernie supporters don't identify as Democrats. Now they are on the hook for attending party events. This doesn't surprise me, and I, too, think that the writer does get it and is at least trying.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
37. There's no ap for that
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

I think a lot has to with age. I have suspected the same is responsible for some of the vitriol we havery seen from BS supporters.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
39. This is easy to explain...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

they didn't clean their rooms by Saturday, as per the agreement with mom...re: ride to the "Bernie Convention".

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
41. Viva La Revolution
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

His entire premise on why he can get all the magical unicorns of is a revolution and he can't get his own supporters to show up.

Thankfully he is imploding right now. This would have been a disaster if he was the general election candidate. Not just a disaster for the Presidential campaign but for the very winnable House and Senate races.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
42. If they don't know the process they might as well stay in bed......
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:41 AM
Mar 2016

as some wiser people than me have said, "the job isn't done until the paper work is finished." Its a commitment.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
43. When we get to the end of this, "The Bern" will be but a footnote, much like Occupy. It was fun....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:18 AM
Mar 2016

for a minute, but then something new came along. I love youthful exuberance, but it's no substitute for "organization".

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