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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:58 PM Mar 2013

About those food shortages in Venezuela... "In the End, Awful Journalism"

One gets the opposite impression from much of the international media. Take a look at the following paragraph from last week’s article in the The Economist:

Behind the propaganda, the Bolivarian revolution was a corrupt, mismanaged affair. The economy became ever more dependent on oil and imports. State takeovers of farms cut agricultural output. Controls of prices and foreign exchange could not prevent persistent inflation and engendered shortages of staple goods. Infrastructure crumbled: most of the country has suffered frequent power cuts for years. Hospitals rotted: even many of the missions languished. Crime soared: Caracas is one of the world’s most violent capitals. Venezuela has become a conduit for the drug trade, with the involvement of segments of the security forces.


Amazingly, almost every sentence in the paragraph is false. Agricultural output did not drop, but rather grew by 2 to 3 percent per year,



and grain production,



which was the government’s major focus, grew by 140 percent. Inflation was considerably lower under Chavez than the previous two governments (http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/the-americas-blog/venezuelan-economic-and-social-performance-under-hugo-chavez-in-graphs#.UTtL8fS2Mzs.facebook). Food shortages and power cuts were caused by the explosion in consumption among the poor, not a fall in production.



Both electricity production and food production have increased to all time highs. Thousands of new health clinics have been built around the country. However, it is true that many hospitals remain inadequate, that crime has soared, and that Venezuela is still a conduit for the drug trade, as it shares a large border with Colombia.

The claims of increased oil dependence are also not borne out by the facts. It is true that oil as a percentage of total exports has increased, but this is largely due to the fact that oil prices have increased nearly ten-fold since Chavez came to power, making it inevitable that their value in relation to total exports would also increase.

The critics say Chavez squandered the country’s oil wealth, which he could have used to transform it into a modern state. Indeed, the oil boom left Venezuela awash in oil money, a situation that Chavez’s policies had a hand in creating, as he united OPEC and increased royalties and taxes on the oil sector, giving the state vastly more funds to work with. If only this “awful manager” knew how to administer the funds, critics say, Venezuela could have been well on its way to becoming a modern, developed nation.

...

By CHRIS CARLSON - VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM, March 12th 2013
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/8197


last week's article in the Economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/03/venezuela-after-ch%C3%A1vez
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fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
2. this is a political forum with many memebers motivated by ideology
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:12 PM
Mar 2013

Chavez and what he did for the majority in his country doesn't matter to them, because they "believe" in a way of life they "believe" is right. But that's why they are wrong. He did well for his country in shifting the balance from the rich to the poor. A righteous and natural evolution of mankind as a WHOLE. Having poverty holds down everybody in the end... it creates more problems which become even more expensive in the long-run... even folks consumed by economics understand that much. The way of business in his country needed a change like this... we can only hope to have a similar dynamic here in our own country. It comes down to this, not ideology... do you give a shit about economic injustice or not?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
3. the Venanalysis article says crime has soared, hospitals are inadequate and Ven is
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:14 PM
Mar 2013

a conduit for the drug trade which is what the Economist article says. Ven also imports 70% of its food and the shortages are real. Your graph doesn't even indicate whether the inadequate food production in country keeps up with population growth

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. I think the poor are *smart* enough to know when their bellies are full
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
Mar 2013

and when someone is looking our for their interests. Their loud, consecutive, decisive mandates for Chavez speak volumes to the world.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
6. Agriculture production grew 15 points from 2000-2010.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:45 AM - Edit history (1)

With windfall oil prices.

To contrast, from 1990-2000 agriculture grew 20 points.

You can see how the graph is misleading by going to the following link and changing the start/end times: https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=agricultural_production_index&fdim_y=prodution_index_category:1&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:VEN&ifdim=region&tstart=-277837200000&tend=1268467200000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=venezuela+population

Nevermind 6 million people were added to the population over that time.

Cereal production did indeed go up impressively. This is due to de-diversifying agriculture.

I'd be fine with the takeovers if the Venezuelan government ousted corruption at every level, but the boligarchs are running the show, so whatever expropriations happen just shuffle corruption from one set of elites to another.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. You could say the same about this country, violence, mass killings, another one
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:50 PM
Mar 2013

today right near where I live. So I guess Obama caused this right? We should blame him for all the violence in this country, for the loss of income, the foreclosures which are still soaring. The President is solely to blame for all of it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Violence is soaring under Obama too. Let's see THOSE Graphs. How many
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:01 AM
Mar 2013

mass killings have there been over the past number of years?

So both Obama and Chavez are responsible for this? Okay, if you say so.

I tend to blame criminals rather than presidents for their acts.

Imagine though, how much more violence there would be in Venezuela had Chavez not cut poverty as much as he did? But yes, both he and Obama are responsible for violent crime in their countries. I will remember that the next time, which will probably sadly be tomorrow, I watch the news and read about the crimes in our major cities. I will remember who to blame!

Seriously do you really think people buy this bought-and-paid-for propaganda? Lol! Maybe freepers and their ignorant ilk. But intelligent people? No one I know!

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
11. violent crime has gone down in the US 5 years in a row
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:15 AM
Mar 2013

Venezuela has soared over the Chavez years. if crime reached the levels of Venezuela you can be sure the president would be held accountable. Lame and lazy try on your part.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Mass murders have increased at an alarming rate over the past number of years.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:58 AM
Mar 2013

And tell people in Chicago, in DC that crime has gone down here. But no, no one would or has ever blamed a US president when crime rates go up.

Your premise is ridiculous and more of that same old anti-leaders of oil producing countries who refuse to hand over their oil to the Western powers, propaganda and everyone knows it.

Nice try though. No matter how hard they try, no matter how much money they spend on the propaganda against these leaders, it must be very disturbing that it is all wasted, that people are just way too smart to fall for it.

Try something else, but blaming presidents for crime in their countries doesn't cut it.

Mmm, I wonder how much of the millions they spend on propaganda was spent on that feeble piece of propaganda? What a waste of money.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
14. That post is a masterpiece.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:04 AM
Mar 2013

"tell people in Chicago, in DC that crime has gone down here."

Chicago and DC have had a rapid decline in violence (including murders).

"anti-leaders of oil producing countries who refuse to hand over their oil to the Western powers"

The US imports 50% of Venezuela's oil.

"people are just way too smart to fall for it."

I agree that ignorant people would read Orwellian, double-speak, complete-opposite-of-reality posts like that one and indeed will fall for it. But I'm not one of those people and neither is the person you're responding to.

"blaming presidents for crime in their countries doesn't cut it."

This isn't about the President, it's about the policy.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
13. Not lazy, wilfull attempt to mislead.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:56 AM
Mar 2013

Comparing "mass killings" to overall crime.

The United States would have to have 200k murders every year to be comparable to Venezuela. In Venezuela the second leading cause of death is violence: http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/venezuela

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-states

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
15. Maybe crime is why Venezuelans threw out most of the RW governors this year?
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:35 AM
Mar 2013

Hm? And replaced them with chavistas? (...in, as you may know, what Jimmy Carter recently called "the best election system in the world.&quot

If your monotonous point about crime in Venezuela, and all the miseries of life in Venezuela, is all that Capriles has in his campaign basket this time, he's gonna lose, big, just like he did a few months ago. You know that, don't you?

He'd better get working on something original (and not written by the former coupsters or the USAID), cuz, according to the Gallup Well-being poll, Venezuelans rate their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their own sense of well-being and future prospects.

Why? Because they've had a "New Deal" government for three terms! And they know it.

5th in the world!

Better get off the crime gig.

Here's an idea: How about "trickle-down economics"?

And another: How about Exxon Mobil suck out all the oil profits and leave everybody but the rich oil elite poor--without health care, without educational opportunities, without good jobs?

Oh, here, here, here it is! Pass it along to Mr. Capriles. I got it from the Associated Press, those fabulous idea-people! How about Venezuela spending its oil profits on SKYSCRAPERS like they do in that slave labor camp/prostitution ring/Blackwater dirty ops headquarters called Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates--instead of wasting it on books and food and humble abodes?

Brilliant, no? Skyscrapers! Biggest frigging skyscrapers in the world! Sticking right up there into the sky like Towers of Babel! Like the Pyramids! Like the ...(oh, dear, no, I won't go there). Big! Grand! Big! Enough to make a people proud! Enough to turn people into...maids, housekeepers and janitors for the uber-rich!

The Associated Pukes know what's what. Capriles ought to take the cue--see how it goes over. Forget schools! Forget food in the belly! Forget your silly sense of well-being! Grow big, Big, BIG skyscrapers and just you wait, you'll see all that wealth trickle down, from way up in the sky, into your grubby brown hands!

Clean it up a bit! It's a sell!

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
16. Thanks for this post! Here's an amusing bit in it!
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:13 AM
Mar 2013
"The claims of increased oil dependence are also not borne out by the facts. It is true that oil as a percentage of total exports has increased, but this is largely due to the fact that oil prices have increased nearly ten-fold since Chavez came to power, making it inevitable that their value in relation to total exports would also increase." --from the OP (my emphasis)

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The more oil profits that Exxon Mobil makes, elsewhere in the world, the more money pours into the pockets of the poor in Venezuela!

If Exxon Mobil wanted to kill the Bolivarian Revolution--which they surely want to do, or see our soldiers do, or see the CIA do--all they have to do is drive the cost of oil way, way down, for a long period of time, by over-producing in Iraq and wherever they have their sticks in the ground, and take a big hit in profits!

But, no, that's the last thing in the world they will do. They'd rather We pay for whatever crapola is in the works to stomp on Chavez's grave, destabilize Venezuela, stomp on the Venezuelan people and inflict them with 'better' leaders.

Funny, though, my big personal transportation bill is feeding both ends of the socio-economic spectrum. I don't mind paying for books and food and health care for the poor but I sure wish I, or we, could find the way to turn the top of that liquid gold spigot to better purpose here, than 10th mansions or 4th private jets for people who don't need them.

I've thought about this before--what the price of oil means in Venezuela--but I've never thought about it before quite like this--that the Chavez government and the Venezuelan people have brought about something of an equitable balance between the good and evil of oil dependence--in social justice terms anyway. Well, it can't restore all those people in Iraq murdered on behalf of Exxon Mobil, et al, but it makes me feel a bit better about my commute.
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
17. Thanks for the post
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:53 AM
Mar 2013

One of the concerns is that the production doesn't get to the store shelves due to the price controls. If that is the case then ultimately production will fall as well.

The claims of shortages are that you can't get stuff on the shelves, but that is anecdotal evidence. However, these things tend to happen pretty rapidly i.e. it will be very clear in 6 months or so if this is a real issue.

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