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Situation in Venezuela: who are the violent ones? JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!! (Original Post) spanza Feb 2014 OP
The murder of Bassil Dacosta, student, 24. spanza Feb 2014 #1
Aragua police beating the sh*t out of some students after the demonstration in Maracay spanza Feb 2014 #2
Students attack the front entry of a Ministry building in Caracas (with stones) spanza Feb 2014 #3
Chavista "colectivos" storm a residential building in Merida, shooting at people's homes spanza Feb 2014 #4
Stones vs bullets, a student who was throwing stones at the security forces gets shot in the abdomen spanza Feb 2014 #5
but we need to keep la revolucion alive, its really important for Cuba n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #6
Good post spanza. joshcryer Feb 2014 #7
I remember when she was trying to get the non-USAians out of the forum. spanza Feb 2014 #8
She has the most amazing ability to look at this stuff and not see it. It's worthy of a few Flatulo Mar 2014 #48
Green gas is being used against the demonstrators in Caracas spanza Feb 2014 #9
-WTF?!- Still no images from the opposition being violent? spanza Feb 2014 #10
That's because they have absolutely NOTHING ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #11
VTV shows prerecorded video from yesterday for protest today: joshcryer Feb 2014 #12
Wow, and then the chavistas in this forum complain about the manipulation attempts by Faux "News" Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #13
I remember Capriles' Caracas march. joshcryer Feb 2014 #14
PROOF the police were with the MURDERERS: joshcryer Feb 2014 #15
SEBIN laying peaceful siege to Popular Will's headquarters: joshcryer Feb 2014 #16
PSUV paramilitary shooting against demonstrators in Valencia ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #17
Look at all those rich wealthy middle class fascist protesters. joshcryer Feb 2014 #18
More heroic chavistas saving the country: joshcryer Feb 2014 #19
Chavistas chase down fleeing fascist, shoot him in the back: joshcryer Feb 2014 #20
National guard heroically deploys restraint bullets (graphic): joshcryer Feb 2014 #21
I'm curious to see how the world will react tomorrow regarding this footage Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #22
It's going to get worse, they're fascists, remember? joshcryer Feb 2014 #23
The effort of de-humanization made by the resident madurista is an old tactic ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #25
One resident Chavista here is claiming that the student's wounds are just Hollywood makeup. Flatulo Feb 2014 #29
One more killing for the National Guard ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #24
is that him laying in the parking and they just left him there? n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #26
National Guard heroically runs down students in an APC ala Tiananmen Square: joshcryer Feb 2014 #27
National Guard give student tied to a tree a Chavista bath: joshcryer Feb 2014 #28
wow, thats sick. And the chavista supporters Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #31
Police heroically shoot protesters from safety of armored vehicle (graphic): joshcryer Feb 2014 #32
Revolutionary paramilitaries at incident where fascist Carmona was eradicated: joshcryer Feb 2014 #33
Military prepares for valiant march of solidarity (or something): joshcryer Feb 2014 #34
National Guard and Collectivos work to bring peace and tranquility: joshcryer Feb 2014 #35
Rich oligarchs throw rocks at heroic GNB which shoots them in the face: joshcryer Feb 2014 #36
National Guard shoots fleeing facists in the back: joshcryer Feb 2014 #37
Facists shoot National Guard with WMD cluster munition: joshcryer Feb 2014 #38
National Guard bravely fight fascists at altamira plaza: joshcryer Feb 2014 #39
National Guard overtakes fascist barricade in San Cristobal: joshcryer Feb 2014 #40
GNB infiltrate San Cristobal only to hear fascist cries of hatred: joshcryer Feb 2014 #41
NG sends fascist students carrying illegal bookbag weapons running: joshcryer Feb 2014 #42
Really appreciate you posting all this stuff Marksman_91 Feb 2014 #43
Indeed. joshcryer Feb 2014 #44
GNB and PSUV paramilitaries repressing together in Valera, Trujillo ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #45
K&R ChangoLoa Feb 2014 #46
GNB spray calming agents on violent fascist thugs: joshcryer Mar 2014 #47
"Colectivos" enter a private building to destroy property and catch protesters spanza Mar 2014 #49
"Colectivos" burn a car in Caracas and prevent the firemen from acting spanza Mar 2014 #50
Two more students killed ChangoLoa Mar 2014 #51

spanza

(507 posts)
1. The murder of Bassil Dacosta, student, 24.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:00 PM
Feb 2014

In these footages, you can see the police and the chavista "colectivos" opening fire at the students. At the end, Bassil Dacosta is swept by a bullet while he's trying to run for cover. Shot in the head.






Minutes after.

spanza

(507 posts)
4. Chavista "colectivos" storm a residential building in Merida, shooting at people's homes
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:18 PM
Feb 2014

and destroying their cars. The reason? The residents were showing their support to the students' demonstrations by making a cacerolazo.



spanza

(507 posts)
5. Stones vs bullets, a student who was throwing stones at the security forces gets shot in the abdomen
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 02:03 PM
Feb 2014

#t=68

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
7. Good post spanza.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 08:38 PM
Feb 2014

Not sure if I ever told you but I found that post where Judi was making fun of Santo's "mascara." Really revolting.

spanza

(507 posts)
8. I remember when she was trying to get the non-USAians out of the forum.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:53 AM
Feb 2014

Extremes touch each other apparently...

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
48. She has the most amazing ability to look at this stuff and not see it. It's worthy of a few
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:51 AM
Mar 2014

scholarly papers on the effectiveness of propaganda. I can honestly say I've never seen anything quite like it - the complete and utter inability to question one's belief system in any way. She's so dehumanized the opposition that they're lower than rodents, lower than fleas, not worthy of even an iota of empathy. I sincerely believe she could view the opposition being fed into a giant meat grinder and thoughtfully observe, "look at those interesting colors."

spanza

(507 posts)
10. -WTF?!- Still no images from the opposition being violent?
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:28 AM
Feb 2014
Still no images from the opposition shooting at cops and militias?

Apparently, our madurista squad has nothing to show besides written material from the Venezuelan government

Are they just lying to other DUers or do they trust their proof-less documentation? I wonder...

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
12. VTV shows prerecorded video from yesterday for protest today:
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:18 AM
Feb 2014

Trying to smear todays protesters as being "violent" (as if setting some garbage on fire is particularly violent).



idiotas...
 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
13. Wow, and then the chavistas in this forum complain about the manipulation attempts by Faux "News"
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:32 AM
Feb 2014

I assure you, VTV is just as bad, if not worse, than Faux "News". Here's another dumb example of how they try to make the protesters look "violent"



The dramatic background music sure makes the attempt even more pathetic. Everybody knows that is just utterly poor journalism, trying to set a tone when showing a news report instead of presenting the footage as is. Manipulation at its finest. If you still defend VTV after watching it, you honestly don't even deserve a reply back.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
14. I remember Capriles' Caracas march.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:37 AM
Feb 2014

He pulled like a million people but VTV insisted on looking at another street where people were feeding in. But at the last minute the camera man had a mild trip and it showed the millions on the other side, filling the big square in Caracas and going as far as you could see.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
15. PROOF the police were with the MURDERERS:
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:37 AM
Feb 2014




This uses some of the videos compiled in this thread, but they piece the event together very well. Fucking pigs. Using plainclothes to hide the fact that they're with the police, too. Killed a young man with a shot to the back of the head. Senseless. Cowardly. Vile. Corrupt.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
16. SEBIN laying peaceful siege to Popular Will's headquarters:
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:22 AM
Feb 2014


The lovely chavistas are the nicest least violent and kind people on the planet.

Popular Will is Lopez' party. siege

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
17. PSUV paramilitary shooting against demonstrators in Valencia
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 06:33 AM
Feb 2014

Miss Turismo Valencia, Genesis Carmona, was shot in the head during the demonstration yesterday (not in this video)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. Look at all those rich wealthy middle class fascist protesters.
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 08:30 AM
Feb 2014

Sarcasm aside, apparently she's blind from rumors I read. Tragic all around.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
19. More heroic chavistas saving the country:
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 12:57 AM
Feb 2014

These national guard heros are saving the revolution by walking around armed and destroying property:



These revolutionary tupamaros or collectivos are surely saving the revolution for all Venezuelans:

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
20. Chavistas chase down fleeing fascist, shoot him in the back:
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:11 AM
Feb 2014

Then they heroically execute him point blank! Praise be the chavistas!

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
22. I'm curious to see how the world will react tomorrow regarding this footage
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:28 AM
Feb 2014

Clearly the government is not condemning these acts, so that makes them responsible for the whole mess. They've yet to show one shred of proof that protesters are armed and killing innocents in cold blood. So far all the evidence points only to paramilitary AND military themselves cooperating with thugs to intimidate civilians. This is not going to end well for Maduro and the rest of the regime

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
23. It's going to get worse, they're fascists, remember?
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 06:43 AM
Feb 2014

The fascists must die in huge numbers for anyone to start caring.

I mean quite literally you have to see video of the National Guard executing dozens of students before the deranged actually give a shit.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
25. The effort of de-humanization made by the resident madurista is an old tactic
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:25 AM
Feb 2014

Fascists, rats, scumbags, dirtbags, etc...

You negotiate and have dialog with opponents, but it is normal to eliminate "fascists", "rats" and "dirtbags".

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
29. One resident Chavista here is claiming that the student's wounds are just Hollywood makeup.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:34 AM
Feb 2014

It just amazes me, the mental gymnastics that some people can perform rather than simply question their own assumptions. Such people will carry their delusions to their grave, as there is no power or reasoning that can change their mind.

Response to spanza (Original post)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
28. National Guard give student tied to a tree a Chavista bath:
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:57 AM
Feb 2014
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203008170262239

The fascists must be cleansed. The laughter is one of glory for the revolution.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
31. wow, thats sick. And the chavista supporters
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:18 PM
Feb 2014

are sick. Caracas Gringo has alot of info and video some of it quite graphic including a pic of woman shot in the face. Just look up Caracas Gringo

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
33. Revolutionary paramilitaries at incident where fascist Carmona was eradicated:
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 03:30 AM
Feb 2014


Any one of these shots could've been the kill shot but this may not be where she was at the time but this took place in Valencia where Genesis Carmona was shot in the head and later died.

For Spanish speakers who find this post I am being sarcastic, because apparently some on these forums think that the Chavistas are revolutionary, kind, sharing, helpful, supportive of the downtrodden types of people, but these videos show the true nature of Chavismo.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
34. Military prepares for valiant march of solidarity (or something):
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 04:14 AM
Feb 2014




Today they are planning a mass protest. We will see what happens.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
39. National Guard bravely fight fascists at altamira plaza:
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 05:44 AM
Feb 2014


One fascists can be seen blowing a terror horn which causes great pain to revolutionaries.
 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
43. Really appreciate you posting all this stuff
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 01:06 PM
Feb 2014

So far not a single piece of footage has been shown from the maduristas in this forum that proves that students are armed and shooting at civilians or actually starting fights.

Guess it's totally fine for them to support oppression when it's done by a government that calls itself "leftist" (even when it's really not).

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
44. Indeed.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 01:04 AM
Feb 2014

It's weird that I can't find new videos until around midnight my time. I think it's because of the spotty internet in the really resisting areas, and they have to get them out via sneaker net (on foot, car, physically get a USB flash drive out of there).

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
45. GNB and PSUV paramilitaries repressing together in Valera, Trujillo
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:51 AM
Feb 2014

You'll see the tupamaros coming in (5:48), to break the front doors of a building and set fire to a neighbor's scooter.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
51. Two more students killed
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:21 AM
Mar 2014

Daniel Tinoco and Angelo Vargas, both shot.

And there's a new radio show for Maduro!

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