Russia plans to add military bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, other countries

[Bacchus4.0]

http://voxxi.com/2014/02/28/russia-adds-military-bases-latin-america/



Russia appears to be expanding its military presence in numerous foreign countries like Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The move could add more strain on Washington-Moscow relations.

A Russian military vessel already docked at a Havana naval base this week. According to Russia’s defense minister, Sergei Shogu, Moscow is looking to build military bases in Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries.

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According to RIA Novosti, a Russian newspaper, Shoigu said that the defense ministry is “close to signing the relevant documents” with the listed countries.

Many have suggested that the move to put military bases in Asia and Latin America is meant as retaliation against the US: after the collapse of the Russian-backed Ukranian government last week, Russia may be making the point that it doesn’t need or want the US meddling in its affairs.

[aquart]

1. Vlad, BAD IDEA.

But it will be the very last time Latin America sits smugly on its hands during any world war.

[PFunk]

2. I hope russia's ecconomy is up to it 'cause stuff like this costs.

And I don't think Russia's up to the task (after all look how it's making a mess of the US' economy). Etiher way it looks like we're heading back to cold war days.

[Laelth]

3. That's significant. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[Bacchus4.0]

4. seems to contradict all their rhetoric on sovereignty. n/t

[Laelth]

5. I'm sure they think they're *protecting* the sovereignty of those states ...

... from American imperialism, of course. Sadly, they may have a point.



-Laelth

[jehop61]

6. Think you've been punked.

Only place rhis story appears are on off the wall suspect sites. No major news outlets at all. Come back when you have a legitimate source. I seem to remember something called The Cuban Missle Crisis about 50 or so years ago.

[Bacchus4.0]

7. a source cited occassionally here for you

Whether this is a serious proposal or not, I do not know.


http://en.mercopress.com/2014/02/27/russia-with-plans-for-military-bases-in-nicaragua-cuba-and-venezuela

Russia with plans for military bases in Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela


Russia is planning to expand its permanent military presence outside its borders by placing military bases or seeking permission for navy ships to use ports in a number of foreign countries, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Wednesday. The list includes Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries

[jehop61]

8. I want a real source

Not some blogger making up stuff up and sending out to the universe, how about nbc, cbs, fox, abc, msnbc, the ny times, the wash. post, tribune, la times, etc. etc?

[wayne_fontes]

9. Get serious

The Russians don't have the money to do squat. It's a country with terrible demographics and unfriendly neighbors. Fracking will soon put a damper on their natural gas sales and the treasury will empty out. They simply don't have the GDP or the population to be more than a regional player.

[delrem]

10. True or not, I don't care!

The only country that ought to have military bases across the world is the USA!

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/28/graphic-mapping-a-superpower-sized-military/

[Judi Lynn]

12. It's embarrassing when someone from this country implies we are the only country

which should be allowed bases outside itself, when we are footing the bill for so many bases all over the world, housing poorly paid soldiers who are now having to start resorting to food stamps all over again, and who get screwed royally over medical treatment, and forced to return to battle duty up to 11 times, time after time, after time ........

As we know already, and have known, since VietNam, because of the appetite of our military/industrial hogs, we have become a nightmare, and a hideous joke around the world. When I went to the U.S. embassy in Fukuoka, Japan, many years ago, we had to go into the place through a crowd of people protesting the U.S., past guards standing holding their guns.

It was truly a solemn moment. They were protesting the presence of US ships with nuclear junk on them in their own harbors. Who the #### would blame them, anyway? Jeez.

[Zorro]

15. There is no US embassy in Fukuoka, Japan

Are you sure you were actually ever in Japan?

[Judi Lynn]

16. Is that right? Why do I have papers from the embassy?

Surprised to hear you attempt that one.

[Judi Lynn]

17. Here ya go:

http://fukuoka.usconsulate.gov/

You must have far too much time on your hands.

[Bacchus4.0]

18. a consulate is not the embassy n/t

[Judi Lynn]

20. It offers services to US citizens, just like the Embassy.

So what's the big problem you've got with my erroneous claim the Consulate was an embassy, anyway?

Excuuuuuuse me, to be sure.

[Bacchus4.0]

21. you seemed a little too eager to argue the point when you were wrong

just like the "dear leader" thread.

[Judi Lynn]

22. "Too eager to argue?" Your fellow you-know-what was the one who argued.

The "dear leader" thread stands, as well, with my comments I didn't take read those threads, as I have usually stayed far closer to information threads, news, than to opinion threads, like the ones in G.D., as I need to spend my available time either reading or posting things I've found, just as I stated.

The core of what I was saying, regardless of the term employed still stands. I arrived at an official US place which was surrounded by soldiers holding guns as there was a protest going on at the same time.

Can't believe anyone would try to engage me in a scuffle about that. I was the one who was there.

[Bacchus4.0]

23. I'd say you site opinion sources too much but I won't argue with you on that

Real news often seems inconvenient to you.

Yep, soldiers holding guns around a US consulate and embassy is pretty much a standard practice. I imagine they were Japanese soldiers.

[smokey775]

24. Correct.

The host country is responsible for security outside the gates of the facility.

Almost every US Embassy or Consulate has armed personnel by the host country outside of the gates.

[Bacchus4.0]

25. yep, but not sure what point she was trying to make with that comment n/t

[Judi Lynn]

26. That doesn't explain the protesters, does it? n/t

[Bacchus4.0]

27. protesters in Japan, or Ukraine and Venezuela have the right to protest

I assume the protest would explain the presence of additional Japanese security. I hope that the protesters were not shot at like in Venezuela and Ukraine. I imagine it wasn't particularly bad since you, an American, made the decision to proceed to the consulate despite the protest occurring.

[Judi Lynn]

28. My business there couldn't wait. Time was an issue. n/t

[Bacchus4.0]

29. but the presence of soldiers with guns seemed to have a lasting impact, correct?

FYI: Regular army patrols in Latin America are a pretty common occurrence. I wouldn't want you to be traumatized when you visit there.

[Judi Lynn]

30. Of course, and U.S. taxpayer money finances some of them, as in Honduras,

their military including former death squad people, and Colombia, ahem, cough, cough.

[Bacchus4.0]

31. not everyone is afraid of seeing soldiers

These girls don't seem to traumatized at seeing this Ecuadorian soldier.

[delrem]

34. ptew!

[Zorro]

53. What were you protesting? Seems to me you'd be one of that crowd.

Were you a student protester from Fukuoka U?

[delrem]

32. oh for the love of all that's holy, would you give it a rest already?

It's small minded lame ass shit not worthy of a 10 yr old.

[Bacchus4.0]

35. like your response? Still trying to figure out what the Japanese soldiers have to do with anything

[delrem]

37. I admit it, you've got me totally creeped out. Is that your objective?

[Bacchus4.0]

38. I don't care about you. I see you're leaving. adios nt

[delrem]

39. You don't care about much - except big oil. CREEPY! adios (shiver). nt

[Bacchus4.0]

47. that's just stupid. Sorry I missed you before you left. n/t

[smokey775]

54. Here's a thought.

Try taking your own advice.

[Bacchus4.0]

33. these are kind of creepy soldier pics though

?1349454765



http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/v_prqEKWOMMtxfVRlPtclw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYwMA--/

[Judi Lynn]

13. By the way, that illustration is outstanding. Thanks for adding it to this thread. n/t

[delrem]

36. Yes, but the kind of posts I'm now seeing way to many of on DU,

like the ones by the RWingers responding to you above, sicken me.
And I don't like DU much anymore.
Too difficult to find a path through the RW sickness.

I think I'm going to abandon ship. Like, right now.

Good luck.

[Judi Lynn]

42. Don't blame you, delrem. There's not much to like about these clowns.

It's obvious that if they had any sense of shame they would never have decided to spend their waking hours trying to disrupt the flow of communication among conscientious people who come here to communicate with others, and to learn more quickly due to pooling resources with like-minded people.

Conscience would slow them down and discourage them from acting like jackasses. Clearly that was the first thing to go.

Your heart is exactly in the right place. Thank you for your comments.

[Marksman_91]

11. Well, Vladi thinks it's totally ok to send troops to a country which hasn't threatened it at all

So I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to be true. Still would like a few more sources to confirm it, though. And Elias Jaua himself said that there are no plans to have Russian bases in Venezuela, so I figure it's all a hoax. But, like I said, it still wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

[Bacchus4.0]

19. its not the first time its been mentioned, Venezuela offers use of air base to Russia: Chavez

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i8JbWQc4ih8kwyYls-Jcyc8n185g

whether it ever comes to pass, I have no idea.

[Democracyinkind]

14. What's wrong with bases in other countries?

I thought we dig that kinda stuff?

[delrem]

40. If, like some DU posters,

you hate the democratic left in Latin America with every breath you take, then you take your lead from e.g. Ronald Reagan's soporific fireside tales and the war criminal Henry Kissinger's policy decisions (and rationales), and your heroes and heroines are death squads trained in the School of the Americas, and you desperately want a return to those days of US glory. Not that you'd *say* it out loud, on DU. No, you'd no doubt claim to be a "progressive", while with every single post implicitly supporting that kind of RW extremism that knows no moral bounds.

In those not so long ago days military bases in Latin America propped up right wing dictators, often as not brought into existence and maintained in existence by US backed coups, and the indigenous (and not so indigenous) left was in their tens of thousands systematically decimated, murdered, tortured, disappeared. The dear leaders bringing this to "america's backyard" did so under cover of a faux 'cold war' meme (not unlike the current 'anti-terror' meme) that justifies*everything*, no matter how horrific. Regular folk could abide by or be mind-numbingly mindless of this, could go along with and support it, could *blink*, because regular folk were "middle class" and the horror of it had no effect whatsoever on their lives -- just as the Iraq war had no effect whatsoever on the lives of the vast majority of US middle class citizens.

I'm seeing a return to the thinking of those days reflected by entire teams of posters at DU -- posters who show an explicit contempt for history, blatantly calling history as recent as 20-30 yrs ago "ancient" and "irrelevant". The shallowness this brings to any debate is excruciatingly awful, and the more I hear it the more I write off the US as past hope.

And it's from such as them that &quot non-US) military bases", in this instance, is thrown out as some kind of reasoning, some kind of premise.

[Zorro]

41. Support for anti-US assholes in Latin America is not a "progressive" DU litmus test

but it sure seems that some forum posters think so.

[delrem]

43. When you claim to represent the USA, then yah, I'm "anti-US". You betcha.

[Zorro]

49. So you're declaring yourself "anti-US". Glad you cleared that up.

As if there was any doubt.

[RobertEarl]

56. You really are an embarrassment to the US

It is people like you that give us a bad name.

I hope you don't go anywhere or spread your bs outside of DU.

[Zorro]

58. Tell us about your last trip to South America, junior

[delrem]

59. I have a shitload more hope for the USA

than could be comprehended by such a peabrain.
I don't mean disrespect for peas when I use the metaphor "peabrain". Peas are a perfect vegetable, after all, and being a vegetable they aren't expected to have brains.

[Zorro]

61. You "have a shitload more hope for the USA..."

yet upthread you write "...the more I hear it the more I write off the US as past hope."

You sound quite confused.

[delrem]

64. You interpret your own lack of comprehension

as being sufficient condition for some game-changer conclusion.
It is fucking pitiful.

[Zorro]

67. Do you agree with Maduro's assertion that the US government is behind the Venezuelan protests?

[delrem]

68. WTF!!!!!

I've interacted with you enough, as with some very-close-to identical others like the Bacchus4.0 "person", so that I can say as a final pronouncement that you aren't worth time.

[Zorro]

69. So your answer is "yes"?

[Judi Lynn]

45. A clear view of what has happened, causing Dwight D. Eisenhower to warn US citizens

to prevent the growing power of the US military/industrial complex during his last speech makes US citizens more patriotic than right-wingers.

[Judi Lynn]

44. It is amazing how much racism lies at the core of their beliefs.

In every case you are bound to find European-descended people who most surely do imagine themselves superior to people with indigenous predecessors. They, and their obnoxious, odious family trees harbor seething hatred and fear of those whose countries they've infested. They know we all know they have stolen the well-being and hope right out of the lives of those unlucky enough to be born poor and darker-skinned. They are wildly desperate to keep the power over those they know are right to loathe them for what they and their earlier pretentious, deluded, malignant generations have done to the native citizens they have bound to their service.

[delrem]

46. colonialism is a product of absolute racism.

colonialism wouldn't exist without it -- in every case.

I remember way back, 40 (!!) years ago when I was an undergraduate, we were all ignorant. But that ignorance was honest. It wasn't built on duplicity and pretence. It wasn't pushing a hardened RW agenda. And *none* of the students that I was acquainted with had the contempt for history that is evidenced by some of the RW posters to these Latin American threads on DU.

[Bacchus4.0]

52. you are just odd, I am glad you're gone. Colonialism was about economic greed

it didn't matter if they were native Americans, pacific islands, or Africans.

[delrem]

55. You RWingers haven't a fricken clue.

You don't even understand the words that you type.

[Bacchus4.0]

60. you can't even formulate a coherent response, weren't you leaving?

Colonialism was about economics, and power of course, making claims to territory before your rival did.

People that are angry at history are amusing.

[delrem]

62. whatever...

[Bacchus4.0]

63. bye!! its too tough for you here, there are actually people here who don't agree with you

go back to the cradle.

[delrem]

65. .

[Zorro]

50. These Latin American assholes are anti-US

because they hate President Obama for being black. They and their minions are true hard core racists.

You see, I can play your silly word games and make similar spurious assertions, too!

[Judi Lynn]

57. You aren't actually making sense. Why bother, after all? Take a nice nap. n/t

[Zorro]

66. Everyone knows reading comprehension isn't your strong suit

That was especially evident in the "Dear Leader" thread.

[polly7]

48. So? nt.

[gordianot]

51. The old Soviet Union used militarism to back up an ideology that is what they said in public.

I doubt Military bases will support Russian oligarchs to the same degree American oligarch are protected. If Putin wants to protect his personal wealth he needs to contact Mitt Romney for financial advise.