President Maduro Is Calling for Peace and Dialogue - It's Opposition Extremists That Want Violence

[Judi Lynn]

Huffington Post via EFerrari:

President Maduro Is Calling for Peace and Dialogue - It's Opposition Extremists That Want Violence
Posted: 10/03/2014 12:01

Once again Venezuelans face violent and unconstitutional attempts to destabilize the country and oust the elected government.

Sadly, this fits a pattern witnessed time and again since Hugo Chavez first came to power in a landslide victory in 1998. An extremist minority has demonstrated constant disregard for the numerous electoral results reaffirming the majority support for the government through undemocratic attempts to oust first President Hugo Chavez and now President Nicolas Maduro.

Most infamously this includes the failed coup d'etat in 2002. Then, members of the opposition hired snipers to fire on government and opposition marches and the deliberate media misrepresentation and exploitation of this by international opponents of Venezuela's elected Government was used to create the conditions to justify a military coup.

When this failed, a business lockout with the stated aim of forcing the government out was launched in 2002-2003 caused huge economic damage and human suffering during.

Later, in 2004, a wave of "guarimbas" - violent protests and roadblocks closely echoing the current events - sought "anarchistic chaos on the national level" to prompt the military ousting of the government which saw at least nine people lose their lives and hundreds injured.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alvaro-sanchez/venezuela-protests-maduro_b_4912155.html

[Judi Lynn]

1. A little light shed for us from the O.P.:

The narrative being pushed by politicians from the right-wing opposition coalition that this is a popular rising against a failing government omits some basic facts.

Firstly, the current protests are highly unpopular. A poll conducted by the Venezuelan company ICS shows 86 per cent of Venezuelans disagree with the violent protests. Secondly, it is estimated that fewer than 2000 people out of 30 million are taking part in the violent protests". Thirdly, the government won a national set of elections just two months ago with a margin of 10%. The right-wing opposition coalition had labelled those elections a referendum on the government.

This meant a total of four electoral defeats for the opposition in the past 18 months, two of which have been under President Maduro. Following yet another electoral defeat, minority elements in the opposition coalition appears to have lost patience, having initially thought that, with the death of Hugo Chavez, they would soon sweep back into office.

This triggered a switch of tactics with extreme right-wing leaders of the opposition, Leopoldo Lopez and Maria Corina Machado, declaring a strategy for the ousting - "La Salida"- of President Maduro and his government. They are explicit that their aim is regime change which will come about by "getting the people into the streets".

The subsequent wave of violence has left 20 dead and 260 injured so far. The stepping up of opposition violence unleashed on 12 February clearly appears pre-planned. A leaked recording of Ivan Carratu Molina, a former Vice Admiral and Fernando Gerbasi, former Venezuelan Ambassador to Colombia discusses how events the next day would be "very similar to April 11th (2002 coup)".

[mecherosegarden]

2. Really?

And you believe that? And this is peaceful?

This was today when the GNB went to the Venezuela Central University (UCV).


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[Marksman_91]

3. Yes, you keep telling yourself that

While Maduro calls for "peaceful dialogue", the armed collectives and GNB run around unchecked causing havoc upon the opposition protests. The regime does not want "peace" with the opposition, they want it's submission.

[Judi Lynn]

4. If the dirtbags want peace, they should NOT boycott the talks which the government offered.

That would be a smarter, more respectable choice than trying to string wire across the streets in the hopes you'll decapitate another Chavista.

Who would ever respect people who burn people to death in their homes just because they lost an election they wanted so they could re-seize power, and destroy the progress which had been made on behalf of the majority of the country.

[Marksman_91]

7. "Burn people in their homes"?

I smell BS here.

And while I don't agree with the barricades, that doesn't give the government the excuse to attack protests that are peaceful, which are separate from the guarimberos. You honestly think that the entire opposition agrees on the barricades? That's only a small minority that do those things, and have certainly not received the approval of any political leader from the opposition, much less the majority of the protesters. Do I deny that some have died due to the barricades? No, but when you compare it to the amount of people that have died from Madurista gunshots to the head, it kinda becomes an unfair comparison. At least the barricades have a purpose which is to defend oneself from colectivos in their motorcycles. Maduristas and pro-security forces, on the other hand, prefer to shoot innocent students at point-blank range.

Also, at least I and other people against this regime post photographic proof and videos of the pro-government thugs and security forces being the scumbags that they are, while all you seem to do is spew garbage that propagandists love to talk about, and don't provide any evidence of their claims about the opposition protests being the cause of the violence. Your other mistake is thinking that all protesters answer to one leadership, when in the end all their rallies are called for by their own initiative, and many of them are happening around the country spontaneously, without someone like Capriles or the opposition mayors calling for them, unlike Maburro, whose rallies have to be called for by himself and don't even reach a fraction of support that the opposition protests have been receiving. Just compare pictures of the overall attendance of both sides' rallies and you'll see what I'm talking about. But then again it seems you don't believe much in photographic evidence, so why bother?

[Judi Lynn]

8. "Capriles thugs burn down woman's home because she's a Chavez/Maduro supporter"

[center]

It's from a thread in which you already posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110814155 [/center]

[Marksman_91]

9. Right, because the Madurista thugs wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing...

to lay the blame on the opposition.

...

Oh wait!

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And not only that, the video you posted only shows the burned home only after the fact (leaving no proof whatsoever about who actually caused the fire. I'd like to see a link which shows if they ever captured the perpetrators and they are), and it's from something that happened almost a year ago, so not really relevant with the current wave of protests. At least the videos others in this forum and myself post here are when an incident actually happens, not after the fact.

Give it a rest, Judy. The "Bolivarian Revolution" is a lost cause. Even Heinz Dieterich, the supposed great mentor of Hugo Chávez, says that Maduro's days are numbered (http://www.gentiuno.com/09/03/2014/heinz-dieterich-a-maduro-le-quedan-maximo-8-semanas-mas-en-el-poder/), and it's NOT because of "US/CIA meddling".

[delrem]

14. In fact election after election proves that the Bolivarian revolution is winning.

Suck on that Marksman_91

[Marksman_91]

15. You mean "winning" with a bought-off electoral center and a supreme court

Lies and deceit are what this government is all about, or did you already forget when they were claiming that Chávez was recovering "favorably" before admitting he had passed away? And if anything, the last presidential elections show that it's losing steam badly with the inept nincompoop that is Maduro. And considering they won by a 1% margin (if we're to believe those numbers), then I'm not even sure that 1% will still be supporting the Idiot President after 1 year of screwing things up badly.

[delrem]

16. No, I mean "winning" democratic elections.

Don't you feel pain, trying to strain that bull through your bowels?

[Marksman_91]

17. I don't know, don't you feel pain trying to justify a government massacaring students?

[delrem]

19. I'm not trying to do that.

That's the difference between you and me.
I don't invent stories about you: I let you explain yourself in your own words.

[ChangoLoa]

5. LOL directly written by the Venezuelan embassy in UK. You guys hit a new low!

This dubious article was written by....

Álvaro Sánchez
Charge d’Affaires a.i. at the Embassy of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela to the UK and Ireland

Not even venezuelanalysis accepted to endorse such crap?!

Maduro calls to dialogue by asking his paramilitary to repress protests. No dialogue there, only repression by irregular gunmen who never go punished. While radical Maduro supporters, such as the ones we have in the forum, applaud at his fascist methods of repression.

[Bacchus4.0]

6. yep, as soon as I saw that why even bother continue reading, just more chavista lies

They have no credibility. Only an idiot would support this Maduro administration.

[delrem]

13. Why do you say that the Venezuelan embassy in UK is "low"?

What are you implying?
What is your intent?

[delrem]

10. "Most infamously this includes the failed coup d'etat in 2002."

"and the deliberate media misrepresentation and exploitation..."

Totally and forevermore recorded as the fact. Watch again:
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Chavez: Inside the Coup

Remember the role of the media. Remember that who owns the media controls the message.

[Bacchus4.0]

11. then you can watch Xray of a Lie that shows the lies of revolution n/t

[delrem]

12. ???? are you foaming, or what?

eta:

what I mean is that "The Revolution Will Not be Televised" was documented by accident, with no prior intent - the authors of the documentary were already in the country doing their work at the time. That is what makes the documentary genuine - it includes original footage. The video that they shot was simply recorded as events happened, and the video footage happened to show the deep MSM participation in the attempted overthrow of democracy, how the MSM edited footage to falsely portray reality.

That's a fact.

On the contrary your reference to an "Xray" refutation is done entirely after the fact, as a lame attempt by the MSM to project the authors of the documentary as being nefarious, as doing what in fact they, the servants-of-hell, did.

I understand why you, Bacchus4.0 promote "Xray" as being somehow a definitive "refutation" of the documentary - that aligns with everything that you post.

[dougolat]

20. A wheighty point there...nt

[Bacchus4.0]

21. oh brother, the film was not a live broadcast but put together by Chavez fans

and produced and edited. Xray points out the lies of this propaganda. and you support the murderous paramilitaries and corrupt chavista pendejo government. brrrrrrrrr shiver vomit.

[Zorro]

22. Looks like pottymouth got nuked from this thread

Last edited Fri Mar 14, 2014, 02:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Their anal-retentive self will probably return to pollute future threads once they're off probation, though.

[Marksman_91]

23. Reducing one's argument to cussing and insulting is a sign of desperation

Just like what any Maduristas tend to do. They have no arguments, so they have no choice but to resort to ad hominem attacks