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ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 05:31 PM Feb 2012

Venezuelan Supreme Court just ordered the opposition to give the "notebooks" with the names

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of the citizens who voted for the primary election.

The reason is a supposed electoral fraud, like when Lista Tascon was issued (after the recall referendum, a Chavez Party member, deputy Tascon, obtained the same notebooks with the voters' id illegaly*. Millions of citizens were publicly exposed and thousands of public servants fired.).

Important to know:
1. the State institutions (CNE: electoral council) organized and supervised the election along with the opposition
2. it had been agreed before the primaries that the notebooks should be destructed this time within 48 hours (tonight)
3. in 2009, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the confidentiality of those notebooks

The opposition platform is declaring that the notebooks wont be given to the Supreme Court. They already started burning notebooks in some places.
We're all waiting for Chavez to speak.



*There are 2 versions on exactly how they obtained it, but both are completely illegal and highly reprehensible. You may start by reading this link before searching for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasc%C3%B3n_List
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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
5. so what do you think was the motive for the court order?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 07:00 PM
Feb 2012

maybe an attempt to claim fraud and declare a lesser candidate the victor???

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
6. Intimidation.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 07:21 PM
Feb 2012
http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~emiguel/pdfs/miguel_maisanta.pdf

They would collect the names (3 million names) and use it to marginalize those Venezuelans. This is a playbook right out of crony Cuban politics. This would've been used as a voter suppression tactic.

ChangoLoa

(2,010 posts)
8. The claim of fraud concerned a local primary.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:31 PM
Feb 2012

These primaries defined the opposition candidates for town mayors and state governors as well.

One of the MUD precandidates in a small municipality denounced irregularities. Immediately the Supreme Court ordered for all the voting registers to be seized nationwide at the very last minute of the destruction process. More than getting names of opponents, the move aimed at throwing discredit on the primaries. They've been trying to do so since the beginning of the campaign. First they predicted the vote would never happen (the venanalysis article was posted here), then they said that the turnout would be less than a million, and now they want to induce doubt on the level of participation.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
3. It's twisted that people still defend Chavez and company.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:19 PM
Feb 2012

Despite the fact that he's taking a democracy and trying to drag it into a dictatorship. A perfect example of the fact that some people really do just knee-jerk react that anyone who is in opposition to the US MUST be the good guy.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
9. simply claiming to be a "leftist" and anti-USA rhetoric goes along way with some.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 05:37 PM
Feb 2012

liberal, Democrat, or progressive have nothing to do with it.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
4. I saw that and wondered exactly what that meant, I suspected something like outing the opposition
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 06:44 PM
Feb 2012

thanks for explaining that. Unfortunately, I am beginning to think that only one result will be accepted.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
7. MUD completely obliterated PSUV today by quickly destroying the rolls.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 07:23 PM
Feb 2012

Yes PSUV will claim that they broke the law blah blah that it was all fraud blah blah, but MUD will merely point out that quite simply, the privacy of the voters is more important than the governments crony claims for transparency (they ran the primaries after all, I think only a very small percentage had non-CNE people running).

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