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Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 06:58 PM Jan 2012

STOCK MARKET WATCH - Thursday, 5 January 2012

[font size=3]STOCK MARKET WATCH, Thursday, 5 January 2012[/font]


SMW for 4 January 2012

AT THE CLOSING BELL ON 4 January 2012
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Dow Jones 12,418.42 +21.04 (0.17%)
S&P 500 1,277.30 +0.24 (0.02%) [font color=red]
Nasdaq 2,648.36 -0.36 (-0.01%)
[font color=green]10 Year 1.98% +0.04 (2.06%)
30 Year 3.03% +0.06 (2.02%)
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Financial Sense
Calculated Risk
Naked Capitalism
Credit Writedowns
Brad DeLong
Bonddad
Atrios
goldmansachs666
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STOCK MARKET WATCH - Thursday, 5 January 2012 (Original Post) Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 OP
That's a Nasty, Evil Cartoon Demeter Jan 2012 #1
I'm not going to be nice to evil any more. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #2
Ah, great. Hugin Jan 2012 #7
I'm still learning, though! Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #10
Hint. Hugin Jan 2012 #22
I know! I know! Demeter Jan 2012 #24
Does that mean you won't be nice to me anymore? tclambert Jan 2012 #29
You forgot... Hugin Jan 2012 #60
And the tax break the corporations want westerebus Jan 2012 #61
Morgan Stanley to lay off 580 US employees Demeter Jan 2012 #3
INTER-OCCUPY ON ICE: SELECTIONS COMPILED Demeter Jan 2012 #4
The great ebook price swindle Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #11
I can't wait for this! hamerfan Jan 2012 #12
Screw the big publishers indeed. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #13
Thanks for the tip, Tansy hamerfan Jan 2012 #14
Got it, Thanks! During the holidays DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #49
His ebook, Dead Reckoning, is free hamerfan Jan 2012 #106
Thanks! DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #111
I won't use the SMW as my personal soapbox, but. . . . . Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #81
This should/could be a WEE theme..... AnneD Jan 2012 #99
Check your PM n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #101
The Washington Post Doesn't Understand Social Security Demeter Jan 2012 #5
Even Geithner has been spreading lies about SS... rfranklin Jan 2012 #6
Asia Stocks, Aussie Drop on Europe Concern Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #8
Shanghai shares close at 34-month low, but Hong Kong gains Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #15
China No Country for Old Men as Government Battles ‘Demographic Tsunami’ Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #21
The same thing..... AnneD Jan 2012 #100
Asian Stocks Fall as France Debt Sale Raises European Debt-Crisis Concerns Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #16
Gold presages “clearing of the decks” in the stock market ? Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #9
Just a thought. westerebus Jan 2012 #71
FTSE weakens as European worries return to fore Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #17
Paris and Berlin eye end of triple-A era Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #18
Italian Jobless Rate Rises Further In November Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #19
Europe Stocks Waver Before French Bond Sale Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #20
Euro-Region Industrial Orders Miss Estimates Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #23
French costs rise but demand solid at debt sale Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #64
What is "money"? Is it the same as "currency"? What about gold? Demeter Jan 2012 #25
Has Regulation-Free Capitalism Become the Spirit of our Age? Why We Must Restore Faith in Government Demeter Jan 2012 #26
The only good gold is Tansy Gold tclambert Jan 2012 #30
Is it a Boojum? Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #73
Because gold is portable, stable, damn near indestructible, and rare Demeter Jan 2012 #96
I just read this article, and my heart is breaking Demeter Jan 2012 #27
OR AS THE POINT-HAIRED BOSS SAYS Demeter Jan 2012 #28
I just had hotmail block my account Demeter Jan 2012 #31
Watch: How One Couple Shamed BofA (ON YOUTUBE) Demeter Jan 2012 #32
7 of the Nastiest Scams, Rip-Offs and Tricks From Wall Street Crooks Demeter Jan 2012 #33
5 Companies That Did Something Good for the World This Year Demeter Jan 2012 #34
Obama to appoint consumer finance watchdog Demeter Jan 2012 #35
Richard Cordray from Ohio DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #53
SNB publishes ethical code after currency trades Demeter Jan 2012 #36
The lovely couple met while working at Po_d Mainiac Jan 2012 #59
Strike call as Nigeria doubles fuel price Demeter Jan 2012 #37
MEANWHILE--UK to warn Iran against closing Hormuz strait Demeter Jan 2012 #38
Iran prepares bill to bar foreign warships from Persian Gulf Demeter Jan 2012 #66
Why is Britain ramping up sanctions against Iran? Simon Jenkins Demeter Jan 2012 #67
Turkey To Seek US Waiver On Iran Oil Demeter Jan 2012 #68
China Buys Russia, Vietnam Oil As Iran Supply Cut Demeter Jan 2012 #69
EU Reaches Agreement to Ban Imports of Iranian Oil Demeter Jan 2012 #74
Libya Latest News: Chaos By Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey Demeter Jan 2012 #72
France to push ahead with ‘Tobin tax’ proposal Demeter Jan 2012 #39
Kodak develops plans for bankruptcy Demeter Jan 2012 #40
Yahoo names PayPal executive as chief Demeter Jan 2012 #41
China set to bolster short selling Demeter Jan 2012 #42
Demand for ECB lending stays high Demeter Jan 2012 #43
Profit warning weighs on Vestas Demeter Jan 2012 #44
US car market rebounds sharply Demeter Jan 2012 #45
Stand-up economics in Chicago Jan 7 and 9 Demeter Jan 2012 #46
When the Public Sector Debt Bubble Blows Up By Bill Bonner Demeter Jan 2012 #47
this far into the new year and i'm still alive! xchrom Jan 2012 #48
Just the Shape of Things to Come Demeter Jan 2012 #62
i knew it! xchrom Jan 2012 #63
Laurie Goodman On Why Another 11 Million Mortgages Will Go Bad Demeter Jan 2012 #50
Flip This Economy xchrom Jan 2012 #51
Well... Demeter Jan 2012 #65
that's what i've always believed. xchrom Jan 2012 #70
2012 As 1937 Redux? xchrom Jan 2012 #52
Greece warns it will have to leave eurozone if it cannot clinch £100bn bailout deal Demeter Jan 2012 #54
I think it has been rumored for months that Greece will leave. Just a matter of when. DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #56
Exclusive Excerpt: The Operators by Michael Hastings {afghanistan} xchrom Jan 2012 #55
Ths is why I love to read the Internets DemReadingDU Jan 2012 #58
... xchrom Jan 2012 #84
ditto. n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #86
The Coming Dry Spell---The southwestern U.S. looks a lot like Australia before its nine-year xchrom Jan 2012 #57
Global Growth Slows to 3.9% as O’Neill Sees BRICs Diminished by Population Demeter Jan 2012 #75
Primary Dealers See QE3 Coming Demeter Jan 2012 #76
Orange Juice Rallies to Five-Month High on Florida Frost Damage Demeter Jan 2012 #77
Duty calls Demeter Jan 2012 #78
Negative start. Markets focusing on Europe instead of ADP jobs data. Euro down to $1.28 Roland99 Jan 2012 #79
Initial Jobless Claims in U.S. Fall to 372,000 Ghost Dog Jan 2012 #88
People Want Transit-Accessible Housing, But Will They Be Able To Afford It xchrom Jan 2012 #80
oil prices soar over possible show down with iran xchrom Jan 2012 #82
Dated but good info.... AnneD Jan 2012 #83
King Cobra and the Dragon {china and africa} xchrom Jan 2012 #85
This is a few years old but a good article -- Special Report: China Storms Africa Roland99 Jan 2012 #89
+1 xchrom Jan 2012 #91
Been a while for me florida08 Jan 2012 #87
Welcome back! Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #90
ahh..thank you florida08 Jan 2012 #93
So, how's life in the Twilight Zone? Fuddnik Jan 2012 #92
What... AnneD Jan 2012 #94
Change in habits. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #95
I broke my left little toe.... AnneD Jan 2012 #108
You need Adblocker Demeter Jan 2012 #97
I've got it. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #102
Oh, Yes. Gotta Hold That Line Demeter Jan 2012 #98
I just bought Moody Blues tickets about an hour ago. Fuddnik Jan 2012 #103
Tansy's comments on how artist are payed..... AnneD Jan 2012 #104
They call it royalties Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #107
Where did they get that term.... AnneD Jan 2012 #109
I second that. Old time mountain music. Hotler Jan 2012 #112
Greece "haircuts" to hit 80%? Roland99 Jan 2012 #105
I'm bushed Demeter Jan 2012 #110

Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
2. I'm not going to be nice to evil any more.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 07:34 PM
Jan 2012

I actually downloaded a free Kindle version of Mitt's jobs plan this morning. Haven't had time to look at it, but I want to be able to say I've read it before I [s]poke[/s] stab great big huge mortal wounds into it.

And don't worry, the "other party" will get its fair share, too. I am an equal opportunity doer until evil.


Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
10. I'm still learning, though!
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:10 AM
Jan 2012

It's going to take some time for me to figure out all the bells and whistles. And I should have known this week would be a real PITA for the day job, taking way more time than normal. At least it's a short week.

Next is to find out where all those daily/weekly reports come from. . . . . .


Hugin

(33,133 posts)
22. Hint.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:46 AM
Jan 2012

They come from the Economic Calendar link and the Yahoo Finance link from the SMW OP.

Ask Roland99 for the specifics.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
29. Does that mean you won't be nice to me anymore?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:10 AM
Jan 2012

I try to behave like I think a good person should, but in my heart I know I'm really very, very evil.

I'ma gonna take a guess at Mitt's jobs plan: 1) Cut taxes for the "job creators" who have laid off millions of workeras. 2) Kill any government jobs programs. 3) "Stop rewarding failure" (end unemployment benefits). 4) Destroy all unions. 5) Repeal the National Labor Relations Act. 6) Abolish the Minimum Wage. 7) Allow "job creators" to treat workers any way they want. 8) Blame the unemployed for not trying hard enough to find a job.

Let me know how many I got right.

Hugin

(33,133 posts)
60. You forgot...
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jan 2012

(8) Fire all those lazy gooberment employees. (9) Privatize EVERYTHING! (Code for running all public funds through some very private wallets.)

I guess it could all be summed up as... Privatize the profits and socialize (and defund) the risk.

westerebus

(2,976 posts)
61. And the tax break the corporations want
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:57 AM
Jan 2012

for all the overseas billions they are sitting on. They will not create any jobs if that money returns to these shores, but it will make for "retaining those doing god's work" a bonus of ungodly proportions.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. Morgan Stanley to lay off 580 US employees
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/rss/breakingnews/755113/morgan_stanley_to_lay_off_580_us_employees/?akid=8061.227380.otZX54&rd=1&t=15

US investment bank Morgan Stanley will soon lay off 580 New York employees, according to an official US document, after earlier announcing plans to eliminate 1,600 jobs by the first quarter of 2012. The New York downsizing was outlined in a document filed with the state department of labor and published Tuesday, which said the layoffs were taking place because of "economic" reasons without providing further details.

The rolling layoffs began December 15, affecting four different offices, according to the document published on the department's website. On December 15, the company announced it would eliminate 1,600 positions at all levels.

A source told AFP earlier this month that the layoffs would likely be concentrated in the bond business, which has been hit hard by the eurozone debt crisis.

Morgan Stanley Chairman John Mack is to step down at the end of this year after steering the company through the 2008 US financial crisis at a time when many of its competitors went bankrupt or lost much of their independence.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. INTER-OCCUPY ON ICE: SELECTIONS COMPILED
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:09 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/interoccupy_on_ice_20111227/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Truthdig%2FEarToTheGround+Truthdig+%7C+Ear+to+the+Ground

Occupations in winter

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/26/occupations_in_winter/?source=newsletter

Local occupations around the country are linking up through frequent, massive conference calls, tightening what is now an extremely loose national network that operates under the Occupy banner into a more focused force.

Anonymous to Wall Street: Happy hacked Christmas

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/anonymous-to-wall-street-happy-hacked-christmas

Anonymous hackers claimed Sunday afternoon to be in the beginning stage of hacking into the Wall Street 1%, having already stolen emails and credit card data from U.S.-based security think-tank Stratfor.

The great ebook price swindle

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/23/ebook-price-swindle-publishing/print

Publishers are facing an uncertain time in the digital world—but increasing the prices of their ebooks is a retrograde step.

The 99% Versus Wall Street

http://www.alternet.org/story/153541/the_99_versus_wall_street%3A_stephen_lerner_on_how_we_can_mobilize_to_be_the_greedy_1%27s_worst_nightmare

Earlier this year, long before Occupy Wall Street turned Zuccotti Park into Liberty Plaza, Stephen Lerner, a longtime labor organizer with the SEIU and mastermind of the Justice for Janitors campaign, wrote in New Labor Forum of “large-scale sit-ins, occupations, and other forms of nonviolent civil disobedience that must inevitably overcome court injunctions and political pressures.”

A tale of 30 corporations

http://anticap.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/a-tale-of-30-corporations/

When we look back on this period, someone will have to write a novel that begins with the following sentence: It was the best of times (for corporations), it was the worst of times (for the 99 percent).

Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
11. The great ebook price swindle
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:15 AM
Jan 2012

More on that in the morning.


And please, do NOT suggest someone write a novel. . . . .. .

hamerfan

(1,404 posts)
12. I can't wait for this!
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:49 AM
Jan 2012

My last two Kindle ebook purchases were total ripoffs. Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson ($14.99) and 11/22/63 by Stephen King ($14.99). Dumb on my part.
I am sticking with independent authors from now on. Screw the big publishers.
hamerfan

Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
13. Screw the big publishers indeed.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:26 AM
Jan 2012

They have been screwing authors for far far far too long.

May they all rot in hell.


Here's one I'll recommend --

Atomic Cover-up by Greg Mitchell. No rip-off, only $3.99, but it's not a long book. I'm guessing that the publisher listed as "Sinclair Books" is a screen for self-publishing, given Mitchell's previous work on Upton Sinclair.
http://www.amazon.com/ATOMIC-COVER-UP-Soldiers-Hiroshima-ebook/dp/B005CKK9IG/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1325744389&sr=1-2-spell

Anyway, this is a kind of sequel of sorts to "Hiroshima in America" that Mitchell co-wrote with Robert Jay Lifton.

and Mitchell, you may recall, was editor of "Editor & Publisher" until it was bought out or sold out by some conglomerate.

Again, more in the morning.

hamerfan

(1,404 posts)
14. Thanks for the tip, Tansy
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:18 AM
Jan 2012

Greg Mitchell looks like he has a few books I'll be interested in. And at a fair price too.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=greg+mitchell&x=0&y=0

Edited to fix link, but link remains broken. Oh well, just do an Amazon search for Greg Mitchell.

DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
49. Got it, Thanks! During the holidays
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jan 2012

there was a re-tweet that Mitchell said his book The Age of Wikileaks could be downloaded to Kindle for Free. So I got that too.

I always liked reading his 'Editor & Publisher' website.

Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
81. I won't use the SMW as my personal soapbox, but. . . . .
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:38 AM
Jan 2012

I will say this much, which is enough and more than enough, and then if the discussion needs to go further, I'll start another thread or something.

The ongoing issues of copyright protection/infringement, including the battles over digital books and "DRM" or the embedded "Digital Rights Management" in some ebooks, interest me far more than I have the time to explore. I do not know anything about the software itself; I know DRM can be disabled/removed from some e-documents, but I don't know how, so I'm not even going to get into that.

But when it comes to copyrights -- which are not quite the same as patents, though close -- most of the legal battles such as what we've seen with RIAA suing over music downloads and now the class action suit against the Big 5 (or 6, sometimes) publishers -- http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/class-action-suit-files-against-apple-and-publishers-for-price-fixing-under-the-agency-model/ -- involve the protection of the rights of corporations to rip off creative artists and performers.

This goes back to the early syndication of TV programs where the studios and/or networks reaped huge royalties over the reshowing of sitcoms and kids' shows but the actors and others never got another dime. (Peter Graves, of TV's "Mission: Impossible" was one of the lucky/smart ones: for years and years and years he received "residual" checks from his early days on the children's show "Fury." Most weren't so fortunate.)

It also involves the recording contracts that early rock n roll performers signed in the 1950s and 60s, so that the payments they received of a couple hundred dollars from producers and promoters ultimately deprived the artists of royalties. The case of Frankie Lymon was probably the best known, maybe because it continued long after his death and because it involved his numerous marital entanglements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Lymon but Lymon wasn't the only one. It's still going on with all the business of the Beatles' songs being "owned" by Michael Jackson, etc., etc., etc.

Obviously, the founding fathers who wrote the Constitution and enshrined some form of what we know now as Intellectual Property Law into it had no idea what the future would bring. But long before there were e-readers and WhisperNet, publishers were ripping off authors. One of the reasons Charles Dickens was so successful financially was that he published his own work -- Demeter!

In the early to mid 1960s, when I was old enough to have enough money to buy my own books other than through the school book club, the local paperback outlet where I lived was a little combination newsstand, bookstore, tobacco shop called Kindler's, in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Books had the price printed on the front and that was what you paid. Period. There were no discounts, becuase books were "fair traded," meaning all retailers sold them for the same price and couldn't undercut each other. Somewhere along the line, that practice was ruled illegal price fixing, and then you began to see discounts.

By the time I got into the writing business, in the 1980s, a few things had changed. Books could be discounted, but they could also be resold. There had always been used book stores, but with the explosion of mass market paperback publishing in the 70s and 80s, the "book exchange" model arose, where readers could trade in their already-read books for used copies of others.

There were authors who hated this, because they saw it as depriving them of royalties. Romance novelist Rebecca Brandewyne was one of the most outspoken against used bookstores and in favor of somehow charging both used bookstores AND libraries to get more royalties for authors. Of course, this was also costing the publishers money, too, in lost sales, but there wasn't much they could do about it. Used bookstores and libraries were ensconced in the American culture and the corporations would be seen as just too greedy. Yeah, back in the day.

So by the 1990s, when technology had made the PC and the compact disk everyday items, the publishers knew they had to make sure they didn't lose out when books went the way of the gramophone and everyone was reading electronically. I'm sure we're all familiar with the various difficulties the entertainment industry has put in the way of consumer copying/downloading of music, videos, TV shows, movies, etc. What most people don't know is that the scene had already been set to do the same with digitized books.

The publishers wrote their contracts -- believe me, authors don't write these things, and agents don't give a rat's ass -- to give themselves "all rights." They didn't exactly buy the copyrights; those are still in the authors' names, so technically the author still "owns" his or her book. But the contracts give the publishers sole and exclusive rights to make copies and distribute, and those rights go on as long as the contract remains in force.

Of course, the publishers have to pay royalties, per the contracts, but in some cases those royalty rates are obscenely low. One percent of the net proceeds isn't unheard of, and some publishers have so many subsidiaries and "overseas" offices that the "net proceeds" is determined after the publisher sells the contract to themselves fourteen times over, leaving the author to get 2 cents out of every $8 copy sold.

In some contracts, electronic rights aren't even mentioned, but in others, such as the thousands of contracts written by Harlequin Enterprises (or whatever name their home company goes by these days; maybe it's still Torstar), the publisher retains all rights in perpetuity. So for the past couple of months Harlequin has been reissuing digitized editions of old books, which have a HUGE market, and the authors are getting a pittance. Unfortunately, Harlequin has been doing shit like this for as long as I've known about their practices (which goes back to about 1984). They sell a lot of books, and give their authors a small portion to keep them happy. (See Paul Grescoe's "Merchants of Venus." Very nice man.)

Other publishers and contracts have different arrangements and terms, and in many cases, authors are able to essentially declare the contract no longer valid because the books are no longer in print. This is known as reversion of rights, and most publishing contracts contain a clause that enables the author to request that his or her rights be returned so they can either publish the book themselves or with another publisher.

Most of these reversion clauses contain very specific language -- the book has to be out of print X number of years, the author has to request reversion in writing, the publisher has X months to reply, the publisher can retain rights by doing Y or Q or N. Y or Q or N usually involves reprinting the book in a minimum number of copies. Since that involves substantial cash investment, if he publisher doesn't think they can sell enough of a new edition to recoup the investment, they don't reprint and thus allow the author to take his or her rights back and do with them what they will.

Today, as is the case with Harlequin's digital reprints(sic), authors can digitally republish their older books (called 'backlist&quot and make more than they ever did in print. A standard royalty rate in the 1980s was 4-8% of retail, depending on publisher. So when Marsha Canham's historical romance "Bound by the Heart," to site one example, was published by Avon in 1984, the cover price was $2.95 and maybe she was in a 6% royalty, so she got 18 cents per copy.

In 2011, Ms. Canham re-acquired her rights to "Bound by the Heart" from Avon (a division of one of the huge conglomerate corporations) and reissued her own digital edition http://www.amazon.com/Bound-By-The-Heart-ebook/dp/B0046H9IBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325771486&sr=8-1
It sells on Amazon for $3.99 and she gets a 70% royalty, or roughly $2.80 per copy.

As more and more and more books are purchased in digital versions, publishers are going to lose their competitive edge. I mean, seriously, WHY WOULD ANYONE continue to go to print publishers for a 10% royalty that you have to wait years for (advances are WAY down from what they used to be, so don't even figure that in) when you can publish almost instantly for 70% royalties that show up in your bank account in 90 days?

To stave off that eventuality and to lock up the rights virtually in perpetuity, the publishers ganged up against the authors with this "Agency" pricing model, spurred on in part by the notoriously "proprietary" Apple. Who loses? Readers and authors.

The publishers will make some concessions to readers, but not many. That's where the money comes from. But as long as publishers can put out digital editions for the same price as "dead tree" editions, why not? They make a helluva lot more money off them than they do print. And whatever the older generations say about the comfort of holding a book in the hand, let me tell you that I'd much rather have my 5,000 dead tree books on an electronic device that taking up space in my house! (Well, not really. I like my books.) Generations who have grown up with electronic publishing and who don't have the space for 5,000 or even 500 books are going to prefer the convenience of digital.

DRM is easily removed, so ebooks can be "recycled." The publishers don't like it, but it's a fact of life. Readers dislike the proprietariness of differences between Nook and Kindle and Kobo and whatever other devices are out there. (Anyone remember Betamax and/or 8-track tapes?) The variety in hardware/software systems protects ONLY the publishers and distributors; it does nothing to enhance the reading experience for readers or the income of the authors.

Publishers have also gone to nefarious lengths to protect their contracts and their rights, and to keep authors from regaining theirs. THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, but there is a lot that is unethical.

For instance, one author followed the terms of her contract to request in 2011 the reversion of her rights to a book that was last printed in 1996. In the process of requesting that reversion, she learned that the publisher had, without notifying her (they don't have to), printed approximately 28,000 copies of that book in 2004 and sold them for 50 cents each to a bulk purchaser. Even at 50 cents each, the publisher made a profit, so you know what that means -- IT COSTS LESS THAN 50 CENTS A COPY TO PRINT A PAPERBACK BOOK (if you already have the typesetting done, etc.). The copies were identified as "first editions" which they are not. Changing that information on the copyright page apparently would have eaten into the publisher's profits. Even so, with that 2004 edition the book had been OOP (out of print) long enough for the rights to revert.

However, rather than saying to the author, "Hey, this book didn't sell so well in 1996 and it doesn't look like anyone else is going to show any interest in it, here, you can have the rights back," they told her they were going to make the book "available" again in a trade paperback (that's the bigger size) edition.

Now, why would they do that? Why go to the expense of printing a bunch of larger edition paperbacks when the original mass market size didn't sell all that well? Doesn't make any sense, does it. Of course not. But the key word here is "available." And that's the wording from the contract -- in order to keep from having to revert those rights to the author, all the publisher has to do is make it "available" for sale. And that's what they did. For a few weeks, they made a print-in-demand edition "available" at $19, discounted at Amazon to $15. No investment by the publisher at all.

The obvious next question, of course, is why didn't they just throw up a digital version? Why not cash in on the really new technology?

Let me tell you something -- it costs virtually NOTHING to digitize a paperback. So why didn't the publisher do that?

Simple -- they didn't have the rights. Unfortunately, neither did the author. Because when the contract was written -- remember the book was published in 1996 so the contract was from 94 or 95, and I happen to know it was 1994 -- everyone knew electronic rights were on the horizon but no one knew what they'd be. So this particular contract gives the publisher the right to release a digital version, but no royalty rate is set, and they can't publish a digital version without negotiating with the author "in good faith." Now, understand that under the contract, they don't HAVE to publish an electronic edition, but they can if they want to, provided they negotiate that royalty rate.

And in order to hang onto that digital right, they have to make the book "available" and avoid reversion to the author. The author, however, has no right whatsoever to the digital edition of her work.

Is any of this making any sense? probably not, but my point is to show you how nefarious, how greedy, how evil publishers are.

In this case, the publisher is Simon & Schuster. They can't put out a digital edition, but they won't let the author put one out either, so instead they rigged up this so-called "trade paeprback edition" to hang onto their rights. And unless the author wants to foot the bill to take it to court, the matter ends there.

Publishers are corporations and their sole allegiance is to the stockholders and the bottom line. They are just another variety of vampire squid, jacking up the price of digital books because they can. They screw the readers and they screw the authors.

That's why I was so glad to see Greg Mitchell's "Atomic Cover-Up" out in an affordable digital edition that appears to be self-published. I'm pretty sure that he got a lot more of the money than some bloodsucking corporation.

Okay, that's enough for now. It's not a novel, but it's close.

My day job calls.



TG, who is not Marsha Canham

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
99. This should/could be a WEE theme.....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jan 2012

Hubby is a musician. He and a friend wrote a book on playing the sitar. Hubby got a flat one time fee (chump change I contend)-end of story. Friend who wrote it gets a small residual (I don't mind him getting more because he did write what my husband told him to include) but many time over what hubby got. Mel Bay make the lion's share. Artists are forever getting ripped off.

It took hubby 50+ years to learn what he does, and he gets less than diddy, less than a studio musician.

Well, I finally got him into the studio again, a major hurdle. We are now paying for just recording and mixing time and we keep the masters. I am currently looking into ways to make this available for download at a low cost. I like the 'Greatful Dead' model of marketing. Hubby thinks I freak out over this and I rode him pretty hard about recordings. I tell him that those recording can be like money in the bank for the later years when he can no longer play. I am trying to record him teaching as this is also important from a legacy point of view.

We are looking to cut the middle man out period. Of course that means that the more computer savvy of us has to do marketing, but that is in the works.

We should discuss this at length. I think I will be going to Mom's so maybe we can share that Mexican food dinner after all.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. The Washington Post Doesn't Understand Social Security
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:19 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/756169/the_washington_post_doesn%27t_understand_social_security/#paragraph6

See if you can spot the big mistake (giving them the benefit of the doubt) in this Washington Post story: Payroll tax cut raises worries about Social Security’s future funding :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/payroll-tax-cut-raises-worries-about-social-securitys-future-funding/2011/12/28/gIQAVKZOPP_story_1.html

This year, the Social Security system projects that it will pay out $46 billion more in benefits than it will collect in cash. It made up for the shortfall by redeeming Treasury bonds bought in years when there were cash surpluses.

Here is the mistake, thanks to Dean Baker: Social Security Is NOT Selling Government Bonds,
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/social-security-is-not-selling-government-bonds

This is not true. The Social Security trust fund is projected to earn $114.9 billion in interest on the bonds it holds. It will use a portion of these earnings to pay current benefits. It will not be redeeming its bonds.

Social Security has a huge trust fund -- if you think $2.6 trillion is huge. That trust fund is invested in US Treasury Bonds, and earns interest. When you hear that Social Security is "in trouble' or "going broke" you are hearing from people who ignore this huge, huge trust fund and the interest it earns. This trust fund, along with the money people pay in, means that Social Security has enough to pay full benefits until 2037. Even then it will still be able to pay everyone more than they receive today. (Yes, more, because of cost-of-living adjustments.)

One of the problems with Social Security is that the "cap" -- the top income that is taxed to pay into the fund -- was calculated in the 80's, and they didn't foresee that all income gains after the 80s would only go to those at the top, where the income isn't taxed to pay into the fund. So, since the 80s, as more and more of the income gains went to the top few, the Social Security fund started to not have quite enough to go on forever. So now it it projected to only last until 2037. This is, of course, easily fixed -- as are so many of our country's problems -- by asking those at the top to pay in a little more.

So ... will I be attacked with pepper spray and batons for suggesting that the rich should pay back a bit more?

By Dave Johnson | Sourced from Campaign For America's Future
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
6. Even Geithner has been spreading lies about SS...
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:46 PM
Jan 2012

He said that this is the first year that the payments to recipients would exceed collections. That is a bald faced lie. This same situation has occurred 15 times since 1956. Taking into account the interest mentioned above, Social Security ran an annual surplus of $82 billion in 2010 and will run a surplus of $72 billion in 2011, according to the Congressional Budget Office,.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
8. Asia Stocks, Aussie Drop on Europe Concern
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jan 2012

Asian stocks (MXAP) and the Australian dollar weakened after Italy’s biggest bank said it needs to raise more capital, spurring concern that the European debt crisis is worsening.

The MSCI Asia Pacific Index (MXAP) fell 0.3 percent as of 9:56 a.m. in Tokyo after climbing 2.4 percent in the past two days. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures were little changed. The so- called Aussie retreated 0.4 percent to $1.0332. The euro was little changed at $1.2933 after yesterday’s 0.8 percent decline. Gold and oil were also little changed.

“Problems sparked by the European debt crisis are reigniting and people in the market have reaffirmed that the situation has not changed,” said Mitsushige Akino, who oversees about $600 million in Tokyo at Ichiyoshi Investment Management Co. “That’s weakening the euro and hurting exporters with a heavy reliance on Europe.”

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/asia-stocks-aussie-drop-on-europe-concern.html

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Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
15. Shanghai shares close at 34-month low, but Hong Kong gains
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:51 AM
Jan 2012

HONG KONG, Jan 5 (Reuters) - China shares closed at their lowest level in almost 34 months on Thursday on fears that the Chinese economy will cool further, with strong turnover a bearish sign pointing to more losses to come.

Hong Kong stocks managed to hold on to gains despite the downdraft from mainland markets, with the Hang Seng Index ending up 0.5 percent at 18,813.4 points, and the China Enterprises Index of top mainland listings in Hong Kong gaining 0.5 percent. But traders said weak turnover in Hong Kong pointed to a lack of confidence and signaled that the day's gains may not be sustained.

In Shanghai, investors unwound positions in growth-sensitive sectors and small cap names after the HSBC China services purchasing managers index (PMI) for December showed only sluggish growth in the sector.

The Shanghai Composite Index reversed early gains to slip for a second-straight session, closing down 1 percent at 2,148.5 points. The Shanghai materials sub-index was a relative underperformer, declining 2.4 percent... The CSI500, a gauge of small- and medium-cap names listed on the Shanghai and Shenzhen bourses, slumped 3.7 percent.

/... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/markets-hongkong-china-stocks-update-idUKL3E8C5ESO20120105


 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
21. China No Country for Old Men as Government Battles ‘Demographic Tsunami’
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:38 AM
Jan 2012

... The latest government census shows 178 million Chinese were over 60 in 2009. That figure could reach 437 million -- one third of the population -- by 2050, the United Nations forecasts. While the elderly were looked after in the past by their children, urbanization and the nation’s one-child policy have eroded the tradition of family care.

“It’s a demographic tsunami,” says Joseph J. Christian, a fellow at the Asia Center at the Harvard Kennedy School, and former DLA Piper partner in Hong Kong, who specializes in senior housing issues in China. “The whole multi­generational housing model has disappeared.”

China’s challenge is similar to that faced by Japan in the 1990s, with one essential difference: China will grow old before it gets rich. With tens of millions of parents left to fend for themselves, the government set up a National Committee on Aging to try to devise a comprehensive strategy (CHGE7) to ensure their health and comfort.

The latest five-year plan still gives families primary responsibility for elderly care. Even so, the government is looking to the private sector, nongovernmental organizations, and local communities for a more sustainable solution. So far only a handful of companies provide service comparable to the West...

... China’s economic growth has given it the financial muscle to provide for the growing number of elderly and the government has been rapidly introducing pensions and health-care plans for farmers and city-dwellers, said Li Zhihong, research department director at the National Committee on Aging...

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-04/china-no-country-for-old-men-as-demographic-tsunami-begins.html

Seems there's certainly room for a service-sector boom in China. Assuming planning facilitates that, the demand is there.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
100. The same thing.....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jan 2012

will happen in India. It may not seem a big deal on the surface but those call center jobs are unraveling the social fabric in India. Kids are making good money if not more than they would if they went to college. They don't want to live at home and do the arranged marriage thing and live in a multigenerational cramped house. Now add to that a one child policy strictly enforce and the wholesale female genocide that has been going on for years and is now showing up. Oh and did I mention the custom that the wife takes care of the husbands parents??? Everyone wanted a boy for 'security in our old age' but they didn't think past the sex...of the child.

India is in a bit better spot than China. India has many expatriots, but what American, Canadian or western born Indian woman would give this up to go back to India...It ain't happening folks. But an Indian born woman might be willing to marry a Western born Indian man (my Indian born niece and her Canadian born Indian husband). She did have a good number of interested suitors in India but opted for the Canadian (and a sweet guy to boot-eh).

Hubby already noticed some of the changes I told him about the last time we were there-they have discos and clubs now and single people are renting flats. All this change in 8 years.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
16. Asian Stocks Fall as France Debt Sale Raises European Debt-Crisis Concerns
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:57 AM
Jan 2012

Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks (MXAP) retreated, snapping a two-day rally, after Australia’s services industry shrank and the euro weakened ahead of a French bond auction today of as much as 8 billion euros ($10.4 billion).

Sony Corp. (6759), a Japanese electronics maker that gets 21 percent of its sales from Europe, fell 2.2 percent as a weaker euro cut the earnings outlook for exporters. Elpida Memory Inc. sank slumped 7.4 percent on a report the chipmaker is seeking financial support from other companies as it faces $1.6 billion in bond redemptions and loan payments. National Australia Bank (NAB) Ltd. led declines among Australian lenders on a report that the country’s services industry contracted in December...

... The MSCI Asia Pacific Index dropped 0.6 percent to 115.76 as of 5:50 p.m. in Tokyo, with five stocks falling for every three that rose. The measure climbed 2.4 percent in the first two trading days of this year as manufacturing growth from the U.S., Australia, China and India added to signs the global economy may withstand Europe’s debt crisis.

Japan’s Nikkei 225 Stock Average (NKY) lost 0.8 percent and Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 Index fell 1.1 percent. South Korea’s Kospi Index fell 0.1 percent. China’s Shanghai Composite Index slipped 1 percent. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index rose 0.5 percent.

Futures on the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index slipped 0.4 percent today. The gauge closed little changed yesterday in New York, paring an earlier loss of as much as 0.7 percent, as improving sales at retailers and carmakers helped offset lower- than-forecast factory orders.

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/asian-stocks-fall-snap-two-day-rally-amid-signs-europe-crisis-worsening.html

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
9. Gold presages “clearing of the decks” in the stock market ?
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jan 2012


... Gold has responded to the onset of Euro-QE backed by a Fed that has made dollars available to foreign banks at lower rates by moving decisively below its 200-day moving average. This begs the question: As we move into the New Year, what might the action of gold be telling us about the state of QE in January 2012?

As we see in Chart 1, the SPDR Gold Shares ETF GLD, a proxy for gold itself, has broken sharply below its 200-day moving average. The last time gold dropped below its 200-day moving average was August 2008, just before the big stock market break that began in September of 2008 and extended into October/November of that year. In that case, gold was signaling the start of a liquidity crunch that led to severe forced selling in stocks going into the third quarter of 2008. This was followed by another wave of selling that took the market to its ultimate lows in March of 2009. In the end it all added up to a rather harrowing experience for investors. Could gold be signaling another period like this for stocks just ahead?...

... If gold presages another down leg in stocks, we would tend to look at this as a necessary “clearing of the decks” in the stock market given that we are now in the third year of a bull rally that began off the March 2009 market lows... If the irresistible force of mass fiat money-printing, the essence of QE, runs into what finally becomes the immovable object in a debt mountain that has grown well beyond reasonable proportions, then stocks could see some problems in the early part of 2012. They may very well be in a position to stage such a new down leg in a continuing market correction that may have been initiated with the sharp break off the market’s peak in late July/early August of 2011.

... We believe a new down leg for the market that began in the early part of 2012 could result in a bottom perhaps some time in spring or summer. This would in turn potentially coincide with the market beginning to discount the potential for positive government economic policies and initiatives that could be catalyzed by the November 2012 election. On the margin, the potential for serious economic policy change could provide enough of an “inflection point” to spark a strong market rally phase at some point in the mid- to latter parts of next year...

/... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-is-gold-telling-us-2012-01-03?reflink=seekingalpha

Sounds about right to me... What will second-term Obamanomics be like?



Note that SPX around 1250, where it is today, was at the edge of the precipitous fall to around 800 in 2008.

Similar is observed (& with quite clear 'head and shoulders' at present) in emerging markets:



westerebus

(2,976 posts)
71. Just a thought.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:16 AM
Jan 2012

Looking at the big numbers that came out of manufacturing reports a week ago, I'm wondering if a production ramp up is in progress prior to the next round of layoffs? When tied into the gold/paper sell down and heaping bags of cash appearing in the vaults of the centeral banks peaks my suspicious nature.

Where oh where have i seen this before??

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
17. FTSE weakens as European worries return to fore
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:07 AM
Jan 2012

Last edited Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:58 AM - Edit history (1)

LONDON, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Britain's top shares fell on Thursday, pressured by financial stocks, as concerns over Europe's debt problems took centre stage ahead of a French debt auction later in the session.

Banks, under the cosh on Wednesday when funding concerns were highlighted by a deeply discounted rights issue from Italy's UniCredit, extended falls, as the spotlight shone firmly on France, especially given concerns about the country's triple-A credit rating.

France plans to raise up to 8 billion euros in long-term debt, following on from Wednesday's 10-year German Bunds auction, which while subdued nevertheless marked a sharp improvement from November...

... The UK benchmark was down 22.05 points, or 0.4 percent, at 5,646.40, by 0934 GMT, having fallen 0.6 percent on Wednesday.

/... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/markets-britain-stocks-idUKL6E8C518020120105




 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
18. Paris and Berlin eye end of triple-A era
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:11 AM
Jan 2012

(Reuters) - The German and French governments have both come to accept that the era when leading euro zone countries enjoyed the very best sovereign debt ratings is nearing an end, but a downgrade could shake Paris far harder than it does Berlin.

Markets have been bracing for a cut in the triple-A rating of France and possibly other top-rated euro zone members since Standard & Poor's warned in early December of a mass downgrade due to concerns about the bloc's two-year old debt crisis.

Such a move in theory makes it more expensive for countries to borrow, ruling out buying by certain types of investors as well.

If S&P were to follow through in the coming weeks and slash euro zone ratings across the board, economists say the financial and political backlash would be tolerable, as it has been for the United States since the rating agency controversially cut its debt last August.

But if France suffers a downgrade before Germany, as another rating agency Fitch has suggested, the level playing field that has existed between Europe's two biggest economies could be disrupted...

/... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/04/uk-europe-rating-idUKTRE8030XG20120104

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
19. Italian Jobless Rate Rises Further In November
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:14 AM
Jan 2012

ROMA (dpa-AFX) - Italy's unemployment rate increased for the third consecutive month in November, data released by statistical office Istat showed Thursday.

The unemployment rate increased to 8.6 percent in November from 8.5 percent in October. Economists expected the jobless rate to remain unchanged. In November 2010, the jobless rate was 8.3 percent. The jobless rate rose for the third month in a row.

The unemployment rate among youth rose 0.9 percentage points from the previous month to 30.1 percent in November.

/... http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2012-01/22356872-italian-jobless-rate-rises-further-in-november-020.htm

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
20. Europe Stocks Waver Before French Bond Sale
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:24 AM
Jan 2012

Last edited Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:08 AM - Edit history (1)

European stocks (SXXP)fell, erasing earlier gains, as banks retreated before a French bond sale. U.S. index futures and Asian shares also declined...

... The Stoxx 600 yesterday retreated from a five-month high on concern that the region’s banks will need to raise more capital to weather the sovereign-debt crisis. France plans to sell as much as 8 billion euros ($10.4 billion) of debt today in the country’s first test this year of investor appetite for its bonds amid threats of a downgrade of its AAA rating by credit-rating companies.

Service industries in the U.S. probably grew in December at the fastest pace in three months, showing the economy picked up as 2011 drew to a close, economists said before a report today.

The Institute for Supply Management’s index of non- manufacturing (NAPMNMI) industries, which account for about 90 percent of the economy, rose to 53 from 52 in November, according to the median projection of 65 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The number of applications for jobless benefits (INJCJC) fell last week, another report may show.

In Greece, Prime Minister Lucas Papademos said that deeper cuts in incomes are the only way for the country to remain in the euro area and receive more financing from international creditors. These steps are necessary to avert an economic collapse that may otherwise come as soon as March, he said.

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/european-stock-index-futures-are-little-changed-before-french-bond-sale.html



 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
23. Euro-Region Industrial Orders Miss Estimates
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:04 AM
Jan 2012

European industrial orders increased less than economists estimated in October, adding to signs of a deepening economic slump in the single-currency region.

Orders (EUNGEZM) in the 17-nation euro region rose 1.8 percent from September, when they dropped 7.8 percent, the European Union’s statistics office in Luxembourg said today. Economists (EUNGEZM) had forecast orders to increase 2.5 percent, the median of 11 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey showed. Producer-price inflation (EUPPEMUY) slowed to 5.3 percent in November from 5.5 percent in the previous month, a separate report showed.

Cooling global growth, rising unemployment and budget cuts from Spain to Italy may make it difficult for European manufacturers to sustain order growth, pushing the economy closer toward a recession. Siemens AG (SIE), Europe’s largest engineering company, said on Dec. 21 that it planned to cut jobs to shore up earnings. Euro-region manufacturing output contracted for a fifth straight month in December.

“Overall, the trend is likely to point downward, supporting our view that euro-area gross domestic product will contract for three consecutive quarters from the fourth quarter of 2011,” said Thomas Costerg, an economist at Standard Chartered Bank in London. Recent data “reinforce our view that the economy is already in recession.”

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/euro-region-industrial-orders-miss-estimates.html

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
64. French costs rise but demand solid at debt sale
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:01 AM
Jan 2012

(Reuters) - French borrowing costs rose slightly when the euro zone's second-largest economy sold debt for the first time this year on Thursday but demand was solid despite concerns the country could lose its AAA credit rating...

... France sold 7.96 billion euros (5.7 billion pounds) of 10- to 30-year bonds at the auction, at the top of its projected range, after receiving total bids for nearly 15 billion euros.

The yield on the benchmark October 2021 bond rose slightly to 3.29 percent to above the 3.18 percent fixed when it was last auctioned on December 1, but remained in line with yields in the secondary market of around 3.3 percent.

The 10-year spread over Bunds was a whisker higher after the auction at 143 basis points, remaining well below its euro-era high of more than 200 basis points reached in November.

"Overall it's a pretty solid auction," Michael Leister, strategist at DZ Bank in Frankfurt. "It should be enough to dispel concerns with regards to France's funding capacity for the time being."

/... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/uk-france-bonds-idUKTRE8040E820120105

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
25. What is "money"? Is it the same as "currency"? What about gold?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:42 AM
Jan 2012
http://whataboutmarx.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-is-money-is-it-same-as-currency.html
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In order to truly understand what is happening today, we must first explore how money came to be, and the purpose it serves.

In primitive human societies, humans were all hunters, with no or little/simple tools, so there was no real specialization. These people barely had enough in order to survive - nothing more.This is why there was no private property, or trade transactions (some primitive races in places like the Amazon still live in such a state). But then humans began to improve their tools and weapons, and they also developed agriculture as well, which was a huge leap forward. It today's terms, people become more productive, and "specialization" started to appear, as some people became "professional farmers", some others were "professional craftsman" creating tools etc. For the first time in history, there were different "professions" - this "specialization" allowed people to become more productive in more and more tasks, and every "professional" (eg farmer, hunter, builder, craftsman, etc) was not self-sufficient, but also relied on others in order to live a better life. By increasing productivity, humanity could create more wealth than before, and by increasing specialization some people (eg the farmers) had a surplus of wheat, and some other people (eg the craftsmen) had a surplus of tools or clothes. So, this is when private property firsts appears, and trade starts to grow, as one person exchanges "something that belongs to him" with "something else" that belongs to "someone else".

This barter system had some problems however: For example, some products are not easy to carry, or they don't last long (food is a good example, as it must be consumed within a few days). Furthermore, as specialization deepens, there are more and more trade transactions. This is why people turned to something else, a "super-product" that could be used as a benchmark for all other products: Money. All other goods have a value that could now be expressed through it. Mankind has used many different forms of money, but gold (and secondarily silver) is the form that dominated over all the other forms. The reason is that gold is durable, easily transferable from one place to another, and rare. Many other forms of money where tried, but nothing could beat gold's advantages as money.




Today, specialization has grown to an incredible degree - capitalism has created an international system, where everyone is more or less dependent on others from around the world in order to live a good life. When such systems collapse, humanity suffers greatly - here's Tony Jackson from the Financial Times: "Four years ago, I related in this column how a stockbroker acquaintance of mine had likened the outlook to 1929. A couple of weeks ago he was back on the phone. Forget 1929, he said: we are looking at the Dark Ages." The Dark Ages, of course, are something else again. But let me repeat here what I said four years ago: that the purpose of such comparisons is not to indulge in fancies about history repeating itself, but to expand our conception of the possible.

Quantifying the effects of the collapse of the Roman Empire is not an exact science. But from the start to the finish of the first millenium AD, according to the economic historian Angus Maddison, the economy of Western Europe shrank by around a quarter, and that of Italy itself by nearly half. What this meant for Britain has been spelt out by the Oxford historian Bryan Ward-Perkins. After the Romans left in 410 AD, the archaeological record suggests that the economy slumped to a much more primitive level than on their arrival nearly 400 years earlier. The reason is clear enough. The more complex and specialised an economy becomes, the more helpless its individuals are in the face of breakdown. The Romans introduced a higher level of complexity to Britain, then took it back home again. It is here that parallels with today start to look rather stretched. But the theme of periodic collapse is perhaps borne out by the longer historical record...capitalism is about to send us in a new "Dark Age”, as antagonisms create trade wars, protectionism and full-scale military wars. We are dependent on each other, but we are divided by a handful of oligarchs, who don't produce anything but exploit us, grabbing an ever-increasing part of the wealth for themselves, leaving nothing but crumbs for us to fight over.

We will talk more about this in the future, but for now let's get back to the history of money, as gold ("money&quot has today been replaced by "currency".

AND IT GOES ON==ECONOMICS IN A NUTSHELL (AND NOT JUST ANY NUT, EITHER). TODAY'S MUST READ
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
26. Has Regulation-Free Capitalism Become the Spirit of our Age? Why We Must Restore Faith in Government
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:48 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/755876/has_regulation-free_capitalism_become_the_spirit_of_our_age_why_we_must_restore_faith_in_government/#paragraph2

FORGET FAITH IN GOVERNMENT--WE MUST RESTORE OUR GOVERNMENT: OF THE PEOPLE (99%) BY THE 99%, FOR THE 99%! I THINK THE REASON FOR THE1% GETTING SO EVIL, IS IN THE 60'S WE WERE RAPIDLY APPROACHING OUR FOUNDING FATHERS' DREAM OF ONE MAN OR WOMAN, ONE VOTE...


...Give people a reason to believe in government -- or wake up twenty years from now to find that America has only two widely held ideologies left, mainstream Republicanism and libertarianism, and the banana-republican economy to go with that arrangement....

INTERESTING OVERVIEW OF OUR PRESENT DIFFICULTIES...

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
73. Is it a Boojum?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jan 2012
... Those who are bullish on gold have a few key phrases they use to justify the rise in price. They include: gold has never been worth zero; in a time of crisis gold will retain value; and all investors should hold gold as a hedge. All of these statements fundamentally lie on one assumption, when panic arrives and the forecasted doomsday happens people will want gold. I find this assumption to be untrue and defiant of logic. Currently gold is measured in relation to currency, but in a time of crisis in which currency has become severely inflated or worthless what will gold be worth? In a time of crisis where currencies have lost a substantial value, gold will be worth its weight in relationship to other commodities. For example gold is currently worth about $1550 an ounce [SPDR Gold Trust ETF (GLD)], but if due to crisis the dollar becomes worthless gold’s value will have to measured by real commodities like grains, industrial metals (JJM) , livestock (COW), farmland (JJA) , and the list goes on.

So why buy gold when you can buy the commodities themselves? And if it is a time of crisis who says people will trade commodities essentials for survival for a yellow metal. The greatest demand from gold comes from the jewelry industry, a highly cyclical industry that bears a high correlation to the stock market. The only real value gold has comes from demand for jewelry and few industrial applications; it has little real value. Gold bugs say gold does not hold the risk currencies do because there is no corrupt government regulating or in charge of it like in the case of a currency. This is partly true, the value of gold is not determined by any central bank, but it is determined by the market. As humans we will always value food and shelter more than an arbitrary yellow metal. By this logic the price gold should never outpace the price of farmland (JJA) , oil (OIL), Natural Gas (GAZ) livestock (COW), grains (JJG) , and other real commodities. These real commodities hold the same exposure to inflation, while also maintaining a very inelastic demand curve.

By no means am I saying that gold cannot rise to $10,000 an ounce as some gold bulls are predicting, because as is said on Wall Street “the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” But every rational investors interested in investing in gold should really evaluate the risk they are taking when investing in the "safest currency."...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/317412-gold-a-commodity-or-a-currency




http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
96. Because gold is portable, stable, damn near indestructible, and rare
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jan 2012

It helps that it's pretty and has some fashion value, as well as manufacturing value (electronics).

A cow would be nice, but my condo doesn't permit, nor does the city.

 

Demeter

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31. I just had hotmail block my account
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:18 AM
Jan 2012

It could be that somebody had zombied my computer for spam.

Now, I don't go to any weird places, except I did go to pogo.com for the first time in ages...I'm wondering if DU3 has got some nasty little bug or evil overlord in it...since we've all been noticing slowdowns.

that would explain a lot about this "new" DU....

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
32. Watch: How One Couple Shamed BofA (ON YOUTUBE)
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/755873/watch%3A_how_one_couple_shamed_bofa/#paragraph2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4rEfSupQB78

Bank of America has been notoriously slow in getting borrowers into mortgage loan modifications over the last few years, losing paperwork, running borrowers in circles, and then resorting to foreclosure fraud to push borrowers out of their homes. And as it turns out, it’s not only loan modifications that the bank can’t keep straight. As Eamon Murphy laid out at Daily Finance, one couple needed to cut a music video mocking the bank in order to finally get BofA to close on its mortgage after a more than two month delay:

Ken and Meredith Williams’ humorous music video, the centerpiece of a no-holds-barred social media campaign waged against Bank of America (BAC), convinced the bank to finally close on the couple’s mortgage — despite the lyric, born of frustration with a 72-day waiting period, “Don’t let anybody tell you you’re too big to fail/Cause you belong in jail.”

As AOL Real Estate’s Teke Wiggin reports, Bank of America’s social media team took note. Not only did the bank finally close on the $203,000 loan on Dec. 16 — seven weeks after the Oct. 31 date given originally by a senior mortgage officer — it also agreed to pay the $50-a-day late fees the couple owed to the seller.


This isn’t the first time it has taken a public information campaign to shame BofA into treating a borrower properly. Back in August, the bank foreclosed on a New Jersey man two days after approving him for a loan modification, and didn’t correct the erroruntil New Jersey’s largest newspaper pointed it out.

“The Williams’ loan closed December 16. We apologize for the delay in closing, and for the inconvenience, we provided a credit at closing,” Bank of America said in a statement. Perhaps those waiting on loan modifications from the bank should pick up a guitar and pen a tune if they want to get some attention?

By Pat Garofalo | Sourced from Think Progress

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/29/395745/couple-video-bank-america-loan/

WHY ANYONE WOULD DO BUSINESS WITH BOA IS BEYOND ME
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
33. 7 of the Nastiest Scams, Rip-Offs and Tricks From Wall Street Crooks
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:35 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/153530/7_of_the_nastiest_scams%2C_rip-offs_and_tricks_from_wall_street_crooks?page=entire

YOU'LL HAVE TO CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK FOR DETAILS, BUT HERE'S THE LIST:


  1. Fraudclosure/Robosigning

  2. Pushing Subprime Loans

  3. Betting Against Designed-to-Fail Bonds

  4. An “Epidemic” Of Mortgage Fraud

  5. Ratings Agencies Gave AAA to CDOs

  6. Banksters Who Made Out Like … Bandits

  7. Insiders Profiting From Being … Insiders


AND THAT JUST ABOUT WRAPS UP THIS DAILY STOCK MARKET WATCH FOR THE PAST....4 YEARS? OR IS IT LONGER?

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ORIENTATION FOR THE NEWCOMERS AMONG US--MAYBE A GOOD REFERENCE?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
34. 5 Companies That Did Something Good for the World This Year
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:40 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/153561/5_companies_that_did_something_good_for_the_world_this_year?page=entire

While no company is perfect, it's good to know that at least a few for-profit entities did some good things for the environment and society this year...SEE LINK FOR DETAILS


  1. Ben & Jerry's

  2. Patagonia

  3. H&M

  4. Hewlett-Packard

  5. Method




 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
35. Obama to appoint consumer finance watchdog
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jan 2012

President Barack Obama plans to appoint the first director of a new consumer finance regulator while Congress is on holiday

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http://link.ft.com/r/19JYUU/DWFGC2/CWSVD/ZGCM9C/EXFAQA/UP/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5

AND OF COURSE, HE WOULDN'T DO THIS FOR ELIZABETH WARREN
 

Demeter

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36. SNB publishes ethical code after currency trades
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:48 AM
Jan 2012

Political storm over the transactions conducted by Kashya Hildebrand, former foreign exchange trader married to central bank chairman

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http://link.ft.com/r/19JYUU/DWFGC2/CWSVD/ZGCM9C/IIU5FJ/UP/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5

Hildebrand Stung by Wife’s Transactions

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-04/hildebrand-battles-reputation-risk-as-wife-s-trades-hurt-guardian-status.html

Philipp Hildebrand is under pressure to explain how he can act as guardian of the Swiss franc and allow his wife to trade the currency at the same time.

Hildebrand, head of the Swiss National Bank (SNBN), will today break his silence on his wife’s purchase of dollars in August, the SNB said. That trade came three weeks before policy makers announced their biggest franc intervention since the 1970s. While an SNB probe cleared him of wrongdoing, some lawmakers and academics say the 105 year-old institution must do more to move away from a culture of bank secrecy.

“The SNB’s information policy was not very fortunate and they underestimated the momentum,” said Georg Lutz, a political scientist at the University of Lausanne, Switzerland. “If Hildebrand can’t break free from this media mess, he must consider his resignation. The loss of confidence is so dramatic that he might become a reputation risk for the central bank.”

Hildebrand’s central bank only agreed to publish rules on personal financial ethics yesterday following days of speculation and local media alleging the former hedge fund manager of using insider knowledge to his advantage. While all three currency transactions that were investigated more closely were cleared, a dollar purchase over $504,000 carried out by Kashya Hildebrand without her husband’s knowledge was considered “sensitive,” according to an investigation carried out by PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP last year.

The SNB president will hold a press conference at 4 p.m. in Zurich today....

Po_d Mainiac

(4,183 posts)
59. The lovely couple met while working at
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jan 2012

Drum roll please
...

Moore Capital Management, a hedge fund and upstanding pillar of the financial district :cough/gag/choke:

....MCM...Headquarters are in NYC...The firm settled with the CFTC for manipulating PM settlements

who'd a thunked it?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
37. Strike call as Nigeria doubles fuel price
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:51 AM
Jan 2012

Main trade unions have called for a nationwide strike and mass demonstrations to protest against the government’s scrapping of fuel subsidies

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http://link.ft.com/r/19JYUU/DWFGC2/CWSVD/ZGCM9C/U1VJ8K/UP/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DON'T WE GET A LOT OF CRUDE FROM NIGERIA (AND REFINE AND SELL TO OTHER NATIONS WHILE OUR PRICES REMAIN RIDICULOUSLY HIGH?)

GAS JUMPED 30-40 CENTS OVERNIGHT HERE FOR THE NEW YEAR....
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
38. MEANWHILE--UK to warn Iran against closing Hormuz strait
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:52 AM
Jan 2012

Defence secretary says Britain will join US to ensure free flow of oil trade, amid signs that EU has agreed to ban Iranian oil imports

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http://link.ft.com/r/19JYUU/DWFGC2/CWSVD/ZGCM9C/5VDB5T/UP/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5

MORE FOR CHINA!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
66. Iran prepares bill to bar foreign warships from Persian Gulf
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-prepares-bill-to-bar-foreign-warships-from-persian-gulf/2012/01/04/gIQAhlWYaP_story.html?wprss=rss_national-security

Iran’s parliament said Wednesday that it was preparing a bill that would prohibit all foreign warships from entering the Persian Gulf unless they received permission from the Iranian navy.

The bill, disclosed by the semiofficial Fars News Agency, surfaced a day after Iran’s armed forces commander warned a U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier not to return to the gulf, remarks that rattled commodities markets and helped drive up oil prices.

The proposed legislation suggested that at least some Iranian officials are serious about trying to stop the U.S. Navy from entering the oil-rich gulf waters. Iranian analysts said that the bill probably would not have been introduced if it were not supported by higher authorities.

“If the military vessels and warships of any country want to pass via the Strait of Hormuz without coordination and permission of Iran’s navy forces, they should be stopped by the Iranian armed forces,” Fars quoted lawmaker Nader Qazipour as saying in explaining the bill. He noted that Iran regards the strait as part of its territorial waters and said the bill would be presented to leaders in parliament next week...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
67. Why is Britain ramping up sanctions against Iran? Simon Jenkins
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/03/britain-ramoing-sanctions-against-iran-washington

Sabre-rattling at Washington's behest is an idiocy, and likely to do little other than escalate the steps to open conflict...Britain is out of Iraq and desperate to get out of Afghanistan. So why gird ourselves for a fight with Iran, a proud country of 75 million people with whom we cannot go to war without taking leave of our senses?

Do any of Britain's leaders really think further economic sanctions will stop Iran's nuclear programme? I cannot believe it. Sanctions did not topple Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic or Muammar Gaddafi; they led merely to war. Sanctions have been imposed on Iran for 33 years because there was nothing else to do. They have done no good and almost certainly been counterproductive in reinforcing autocracy.

Washington has announced new commercial and financial sanctions on Iran, blacklisting anyone who does business with it. With an election in the offing, President Obama must show America's pro-Israel lobby that he is tough somewhere in the Middle East. The EU must this month decide whether to collude with the US in this dangerous game and ban Iran's oil exports. The threat was enough to get Tehran to test medium-range missiles in the Gulf, and its wilder heads to murmur about closing the Straits of Hormuz, thus blocking a third of the world's sea-borne oil.

This sabre-rattling – in the midst of a recession – is beyond stupid. No one has seriously doubted that Iran's government, surrounded by nuclear-armed or nuclear-allied powers, would one day seek a similar capability. It is the nature of well-resourced and insecure regimes to find comfort in "the ultimate weapon". It seems of no account that no war fought by a nuclear power has seen such a weapon even threatened. It was not a factor in Korea, Vietnam, the Falklands, the Caucasus, Kashmir or numerous Middle East conflicts. The one time such weapons were "on the table" was over Cuba in 1962 – and then they probably helped prevent war...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
68. Turkey To Seek US Waiver On Iran Oil
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/9478/Turkey-To-Seek-US-Waiver-On-Iran-Oil


Turkey will seek a waiver from the United States to exempt its biggest refiner Tupras from new U.S. sanctions on institutions that deal with Iran’s central bank, a Turkish energy ministry official told Reuters on Wednesday.

U.S. President Barack Obama signed the new sanctions into law on New Year’s Eve, which if implemented fully would prevent most refineries from paying for Iranian crude, the first Western measure that could have serious impact on Iran's oil industry.

MORE AT LINK
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
69. China Buys Russia, Vietnam Oil As Iran Supply Cut
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:12 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/9468/China-Buys-Russia-Vietnam-Oil-As-Iran-Supply-Cut


Chinese trader Unipec paid a record premium for a February cargo of Russian crude and bought Vietnamese oil for the first time in at least a year, traders said, as the world’s second-largest oil consumer looks to cover for reduced Iranian supplies.

China slashed Iranian crude imports by more than half for January as the two countries haggle over 2012 payment terms, industry sources have told Reuters. The latest deals show that the dispute could be dragging into talks for February cargoes as well.

MORE AT LINK
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
74. EU Reaches Agreement to Ban Imports of Iranian Oil
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/eu-reaches-agreement-to-ban-imports-of-iranian-oil-1.405485

European Union governments have reached a preliminary agreement to ban imports of Iranian crude to the EU but have yet to decide when such an embargo would be put in place, EU diplomats said on Wednesday. The agreement, news of which sent crude oil prices higher, followed talks in the last days of December between EU envoys, diplomats said. Objections to the idea, notably from Greece, were dropped during the talks, they said. "A lot of progress has been made," one EU diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "The principle of an oil embargo is agreed. It is not being debated anymore."

A European ban on Iranian crude would be part of concerted Western action to put pressure on Tehran to abandon its nuclear program, which many governments worry aims at producing an atom bomb. Tehran says its aims are peaceful only. The United States imposed new sanctions on New Year's Eve to cut financial institutions that work with Iran's central bank off from the U.S. financial system, thus blocking off the main source of Tehran's payments for crude. Europe started preparing a new push against Iran's financial and energy sectors in December, with the aim of agreeing sanctions by the end of January. A ban on exporting oil-related technology to Iran and more measures against shipping of crude are also under discussion, diplomats said.

Diplomats said there was still a debate among European capitals over whether to enforce a crude ban immediately after it is agreed or to wait a few months. Some EU member states are concerned about the economic impact of an embargo at a time when Europe is struggling with massive debt problems. Greece, in particular, has been hesitant but Greek government sources said on Tuesday that Athens would not break ranks with its EU partners on the issue.

Tensions between the West and Iran -- the second biggest producer in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries -- have already pushed up oil prices. On Wednesday, the price of a barrel of benchmark Brent crude rose more than a dollar from its previous close to a session peak of nearly $114, following the news that Europeans had agreed in principle to ban Iranian crude. Iran supplies a total of around 450,000 barrels per day to EU member states, making the bloc collectively the second-largest market for Iranian oil after China. EU Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger has said that if there were a ban on Iranian imports, supplies could be bought from elsewhere, notably leading OPEC member Saudi Arabia.

THEY ARE ALL CERTIFIABLY INSANE
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
72. Libya Latest News: Chaos By Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:18 AM
Jan 2012
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-2012/120153-libya_latest-0/

No wonder the media is silent in that clique of nations which perpetrated the latest round of war crimes in attacking Libya, violating the UN Charter, violating the UNSC Resolutions, violating the Geneva Conventions, because the news we are receiving from the ground is shocking. Here are some front-line reports from credible sources inside Libya... just what has NATO done?... NATO has stirred up a hornet's nest in Libya. The picture we get from reading front-line reports is one of utter chaos, with the so-called "NTC" now fighting among itself in a myriad of terrorist factions rather than providing any form of "Government", which it was always going to be utterly incapable of anyway. How can a bunch of terrorists and thugs, rapists, murderers, torturers, arsonists, looters and thieves constitute a Government?

Yesterday, December 3: reports of mass fights among groups of "rats" (terrorists) in Tripoli city centre and at the Mitiga air base. Misuratah and Benghazi terrorists fought each other and 30 terrorist officers from Benghazi were executed. Baniwalid tribe marching on Tripoli, the population (anti-TNC/NATO terrorist forces) set to welcome them.

Sirte: Strong fights among groups of terrorists and with Libyan Green Resistance (Jamahiriya forces).

More and more, the Zintan Militia fights alongside the Green Resistance against terrorist Al Qaeda Bel Haj militia (Bel Haj is an Al Qaeda terrorist who fought against NATO, now befriended by the FUKUS Three - France, UK and US - and used against the people of Libya). Zintan Militia holding Saif al-islam al-Qathafi (who has reportedly married a Zintan bride) say they are not giving up the son of Muammar al-Qathafi to any foreign court because the ICC does not have jurisdiction in Libya. Bel Haj and Hefter militia fighting each other in Zintan

Misuratah: Racist NTC/NATO terrorist forces destroy a Taourga cemetery.

Al-Zawiyah: Green flags flying everywhere, city sterlised and fee of TN/NATO terrorist forces.

Sabha, Gharyan, Tarhouna: Green flags everywhere as the Green resistance sterilise vast areas free of NTC/NATO terrorist forces. Green flags over Ghadames, liberated from NTC/NATO terrorist forces by the Green Resistance. Bel Haj terrorist militia fled from Gharyan. In Sabha, a huge caravan of Green Resistance heroes chanted "Oh God Muammar Libia Bess". NATO knows that the people pf Libya do not accept their criminal terrorist forces as "Government".

TNC/NATO terrorist forces attacked Tobruk and were driven back by citizens' Jamahiriya militia and Green Resistance.

Chief terrorist, the traitor Mustafa Abdul Jalil, warns of civil war. (It is already civil war and was from day one when this murderer allowed NATO to launch terrorist attacks using foreign forces from Qatar inside Libya.)


What did NATO expect? The Libyan people had peace and prosperity for 42 years. The Jamahiriya system of government is participative democracy, far more participative than western-style Parliamentary systems where for instance someone like Cameron can be Prime Minister with a minority of the votes. In the Jamahiriya system communities organise what they need and the Government distributes what they want...Libyans have enjoyed prosperity, free housing and utilities. They will not give up these birthrights, certainly not to foreigners and foreign-imposed terrorists who have raped Libya's women, who have perpetrated racist attacks, who have beheaded people in the street, who have tortured children, who have invaded private property, who have committed sodomy, arson, robbery...These are criminals and in supporting these torturers and terrorists, NATO is liable for war crimes, along with its political and military leaders.

NATO will have to pay a massive reconstruction bill, will have to pay compensation to Libya and Libyans affected by this lunacy and NATO's terrorist forces will have to be tried and punished. Otherwise, get ready for more of the same.

Libya is totally out of NATO's control and the British and American taxpayer, mainly, is paying for it. Who else could it be? So sorry Mrs. Smith, if you cannot afford to pay your electricity bill this winter, you will have to freeze to death. Look at it this way: Think of how much money you will save the National Health Service if you do... then we can afford another cruise missile to strafe water supplies in Libya and deprive babies of sanitation "to break their backs", eh what? Talk about an ethical foreign policy...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
39. France to push ahead with ‘Tobin tax’ proposal
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:53 AM
Jan 2012

The financial transaction tax is among the issues Nicolas Sarkozy will discuss with German chancellor Angela Merkel at a meeting in Berlin on Monday

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http://link.ft.com/r/19JYUU/DWFGC2/CWSVD/ZGCM9C/4CKHMG/UP/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5
 

Demeter

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40. Kodak develops plans for bankruptcy
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:54 AM
Jan 2012


US photographic group continues to pursue asset sales and has opened discussions with banks over a new line of debt it could tap after a Chapter 11 filing

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/97QOI7/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5
 

Demeter

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41. Yahoo names PayPal executive as chief
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jan 2012

Scott Thompson, president of Ebay’s online payments business, plays down lack of media experience and promises a return to a high-growth strategy

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/JE1434/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5

CUE THE DOOMSDAY MUSIC!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
42. China set to bolster short selling
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jan 2012

Analysts say move will spur hedge fund industry

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/EXFAS8/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5


SO SAD WHEN AN EMERGING NATION LOSES ITS INNOCENCE SO READILY TO THE WOLVES OF WALL ST.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
43. Demand for ECB lending stays high
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:57 AM
Jan 2012

The surge in overnight borrowing by banks from the ‘marginal lending facility’ has prompted speculation about what may be behind the trend

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/2OWLM4/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5


IF I HAD TO GUESS---A LETHAL MIXTURE OF FEAR AND GREED.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
44. Profit warning weighs on Vestas
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
Jan 2012

Shares in the wind turbine manufacturer fall after it warned that order delays and production problems would wipe out last year’s operating profit

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/HYPMFD/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
45. US car market rebounds sharply
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
Jan 2012

US bounces back to become the fastest growing big auto market in the world, with car and light truck sales climbing by about 10 per cent

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http://link.ft.com/r/FG6LAA/JELC50/VTVRG/B5DSTA/8ZE6KB/82/t?a1=2012&a2=1&a3=5
 

Demeter

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46. Stand-up economics in Chicago Jan 7 and 9
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:05 AM
Jan 2012

Hello Chicago-area comedy/economics fans:

* I'm on my way to Chicago for the American Economic Association annual meeting and will be doing two gigs that are free and open to the public, one at the AEA Humor Session (on Saturday Jan 7 at 8pm, with headliner Paul Krugman!) and one at the University of Chicago (on Monday Jan 9 at 7pm), plus some free shows for local high schools. Details on all of these here and if you have connections at the University of Chicago please help spread the word! (The econ department there has been typically laissez faire The Jan 7 show will definitely be packed, and the Jan 9 one may be also, so show up early to get a good seat! And of course if the dates above don't work for you then drop me a line if you want to hire me for another time while I'm on my 2012 "Gold Standard" World Tour, which so far includes gigs in Asia and Europe, plus Duluth MN, Boston, Oregon, Texas, and Florida.

* Check out excerpts &etc from the just-released Volume 2 (Macroeconomics) of the Cartoon Introduction to Economics.

* In case you missed it I've got a handful of China video blogs from the 5 months I was in Beijing (including some comedy bits) and I also had a NY Times op-ed last month ("The dismal education&quot .

Happy winter, hope to see you this coming week!
yoram bauman phd, standupeconomist.com
“the world’s first and only stand-up economist”

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
47. When the Public Sector Debt Bubble Blows Up By Bill Bonner
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:11 AM
Jan 2012

What’s ahead for 2012?.... The price of gold will probably go nowhere this year. We have a feeling that 2012 is not going to be a great year for money you get from the ground. Oddly, it will probably be a better year for the money you get from trees. How is that possible? We all know paper money is going to be worthless. Yes…dear reader…but not necessarily in 2012. It’s just part of the curious way Mr. Market does business…and a feature of his nasty habit of ruining as many investors as possible. Look, it’s pretty simple. The private sector debt bubble blew up in 2008. The public sector debt bubble will blow up too. Maybe in 2012. Most likely not for a while longer. But when US debt begins to blow up, the feds will come in with everything they’ve got trying to stop it. And all they’ve got is a printing press. Ben Bernanke:

…the US government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many US dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of US dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the US government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.


Positive inflation is the feds’ answer to a debt blow-up. They have no other answer… When bond buyers refuse to roll over US debt at reasonable rates, the Fed will use its printing press. The resulting “positive” inflation will blow up the world’s monetary system as well as government debt. Gold will be the about the only money left.

So, we should just buy gold…and avoid US dollar-denominated debt, right? Hold on. Mr. Market doesn’t make it that easy. Our guess is that he’s going to lure trillions more dollars into the US debt market…and then blow the whole thing sky high. Just look what happened last year. Bloomberg tells us that stocks worldwide lost 12% of their value. But bonds actually went up…about 6%. And there’s a good chance that the same thing could happen in 2012. Stocks down. Bonds up. Stocks won’t be cheap until they are about half today’s prices. So they have a long way to go. When stocks go down, investors will go into the US bond market looking for shelter. This will drive down yields and drive up prices. And bonds — judging from Japan’s example — can keep edging upward for a long time. Especially now that everyone thinks US debt is 100% safe.

And the worse things get, the more people want the safety of US Treasury debt. That was the lesson of 2011. Like people buying houses in 2005…investors will buy bonds and think they are geniuses — for a while. The feds are already running into the limits of their ability to borrow. Here’s the Bloomberg story:

Governments of the world’s leading economies have more than $7.6 trillion of debt maturing this year, with most facing a rise in borrowing costs.

Led by Japan’s $3 trillion and the US’s $2.8 trillion, the amount coming due for the Group of Seven nations and Brazil, Russia, India and China is up from $7.4 trillion at this time last year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Ten-year bond yields will be higher by year-end for at least seven of the countries, forecasts show.

Investors may demand higher compensation to lend to countries that struggle to finance increasing debt burdens as the global economy slows, surveys show. The International Monetary Fund cut its forecast for growth this year to 4 percent from a prior estimate of 4.5 percent as Europe’s debt crisis spreads, the US struggles to reduce a budget deficit exceeding $1 trillion and China’s property market cools.

The amount needing to be refinanced rises to more than $8 trillion when interest payments are included. Coming after a year in which Standard & Poor’s cut the US’s rating to AA+ from AAA and put 15 European nations on notice for possible downgrades, the competition to find buyers is heating up.

Borrowing costs for G-7 nations will rise as much as 39 percent from 2011, based on forecasts of 10-year government bond yields by economists and strategists surveyed by Bloomberg in separate surveys. China’s 10-year yields may remain little changed, while India’s are projected to fall to 8.02 percent from 8.36 percent. The survey doesn’t include estimates for Russia and Brazil.


The world’s economic knees are beginning to buckle. Higher borrowing costs reduce the fiscal support governments can give to their economies. “Austerity” becomes less of a choice and more of a necessity. Europe is already in recession. America is probably not far behind. The feds may have to turn to the printing press sooner than we thought...



Read more: When the Public Sector Debt Bubble Blows Up http://dailyreckoning.com/when-the-public-sector-debt-bubble-blows-up/#ixzz1iaZNJARs
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
50. Laurie Goodman On Why Another 11 Million Mortgages Will Go Bad
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:18 AM
Jan 2012

A major bear on the housing market, Amherst Securities' Laurie Goodman has predicted since 2009 another housing crash as banks are forced to liquidate tons of bad loans.
Up to 11 million mortgages are likely to default, according to Goodman. This is a frightening figure, seeing as only several million have been liquidated since the crisis began. When it happens, the market will be flooded with supply.
Goodman reached 11 million by projecting default rates for non-performing loans, re-performing loans, and underwater loans. Here's a slide from a recent presentation (via The Atlantic):






Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/laurie-goodman-11-million-mortgages-2011-7#ixzz1iabwLNWQ

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
51. Flip This Economy
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/01/how_small_time_house_flippers_made_the_housing_bubble_much_much_worse_.html

An old pearl of wisdom from the Great Depression held that investors should have known it was time to sell when shoeshine boys started handing out stock tips. The day traders of the late-1990s were a recent version of the same phenomenon. When the dumb money is rushing into the market, it’s probably a smart time for you to bail.

Until this past week, I thought of the house-flipping craze of the mid-aughts in the same light. The fact that there were enough speculative, small-time investors in house prices that A&E turned it into a reality show was surely a sign of a market out of control. But what I didn’t realize was that, unlike the shoe-shine tipsters of the ’20s, house-flippers were actually driving the price explosion. New research from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York indicates that flippers were in fact sufficiently numerous and active to make a major impact on prices, and that these facts have interesting implications for both monetary policy and bank regulation in the future.

The authors, Andrew Haughwout, Donghoon Lee, Joseph Tracy, and Wilbert van der Klaauw, were able to calculate how many home-buyers had multiple mortgages and thus how many people own multiple homes.

The data let us see that the growth of house prices in the first half of the aughts was closely associated with a sharp rise in the number of people owning multiple homes. In 2000, only 20 percent of mortgages were going to multiple mortgage holders and 75 percent of those were for second houses. By 2006, 35 percent of mortgages were multiples and more than 5 percent of all loans were going to people with four or more mortgages. What’s more, the trend was especially pronounced in what we now know to have been the prime bubble states of California, Florida, and Nevada. By 2006, at least 25 percent of mortgages in these states were going to people who already owned one home, and a further 20 percent went to people with at least two.


*** i have tended NOT to believe what this article is saying
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
65. Well...
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:04 AM
Jan 2012

House-flipping was a popular hobby among those with a little greed, but I rather think the liar loans had a bigger driving effect on real estate overall, myself.

Nowadays, it's landlording that's getting the greedy going. That's sure to end poorly. I've been a landlord out of necessity when you couldn't sell a house for love or money in New England in the 90's, and it's no way to make a living, especially if any distance is involved. We are a few short years away from that situation again, and it won't be regional, as it is now. It will be global.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
70. that's what i've always believed.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:14 AM
Jan 2012

i know there were areas of the country where flipping was going like hot cakes -- but the numbers when finally revealed are so enormous -- it's hard for me to see them as some serious engine.

i think the landlord thing is going to be with us for a while -- TPTB seem to want us to be mobile -- nomadic.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
52. 2012 As 1937 Redux?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:22 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/01/04/_2012_as_1937_redux_.html

One might hope that soon, as the tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum of the GOP race narrows the field, that a smaller number of candidates actually viable in the general election will start speaking something close to sense on economic policy. Iowa's results have not helped. Mitt Romney, who might otherwise begin a move toward the Obama-rich voters of the American center, will have to continue pandering to the "austerity now!" crowd on the right since he barely bested Rick Santorum and really only just beat libertarian Ron Paul, too.

Why, with all the talk of America's need to get its spending under control, would radical austerity be a problem? The answer can be structured in many ways, but today we'll go with a historical lesson, circa 1937. In that year - the fifth of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidency, the US economy had finally matched its size in 1929, the year the stock market bubble popped and the world cascaded into the Great Depression. (The US economy today still has a way to go before it claws back the losses since 2007, but that's another story).

Back in 1937, the deleveraging process was even longer and harder in every measure than it is today. By 1937, modest growth had returned, and while unemployment remained stubbornly high at just under 10 percent, that was down from a peak in 1932-33 of 25 percent.

At this point, both the Fed and the Roosevelt administration—giving in to orthodoxies that still haunt US economic thought—made terrible, independent errors. FDR acceded to Treasury advisors who declared the recovery self-sustaining and pushed for spending cuts. FDR, by now in complete control of the congressional agenda after a landslide reelection in 1936, duly cut government spending by 10 percent in an effort to balance the federal budget. The Works Progress Administration (WPA), which had employed three million in 1936, was sharply curtailed, as were other “emergency programs.”
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
54. Greece warns it will have to leave eurozone if it cannot clinch £100bn bailout deal
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081721/Greece-warns-leave-eurozone-clinch-100bn-bailout-deal.html

Opinion polls suggest Greek voters want the government to stay in the euro even if they disagree with deficit reduction measures...Greece last night raised the prospect of leaving the euro and returning to the drachma.
It came amid new warnings that botched attempts to keep the single currency together are dragging Europe deeper into recession. Senior officials in Athens said that unless they could successfully complete negotiations with creditors on a second bailout package worth 130billion euros (£109billion), Greece would be unable to stay in the euro. The new, Brussels-approved government in Greece is struggling to gain support for austerity measures required by EU and International Monetary Fund bosses. Until now, Athens has refused to countenance leaving the eurozone, and yesterday’s warning appeared designed to try to frighten Greeks into supporting public spending cuts and tax rises.


Greece has a huge budget deficit and debt mountain and is being kept afloat by a 110billion euro (£92billion) bailout agreed in May 2010. An additional bailout was agreed last October, when it became clear that the first batch of funds would not suffice, but that deal has yet to be finalised. Sorting out the details is the main task of the new coalition government headed by former central banker Lucas Papademos, whose mandate is expected to expire in early April.

Government spokesman Pantelis Kapsis said negotiations over the next three or four months with debtors will ‘determine everything’, including whether Greece escapes a catastrophic bankruptcy. ‘This loan agreement must be signed, otherwise we are outside the markets, out of the euro and things will become much worse,’ he said.

But Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan said attempts to keep the single currency together no matter what, led by German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy, were dragging the Continent into recession. ‘The reason that the eurozone faces such hard times is that its leaders have decided to keep the single currency together at any cost,’ he said. ‘The coming recession is not some inexorable force of nature; it is a consequence of the policies being pursued by 'Merkozy'… and the rest.’



xchrom

(108,903 posts)
55. Exclusive Excerpt: The Operators by Michael Hastings {afghanistan}
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/exclusive-excerpt-the-operators-by-michael-hastings-20120103

***In April 2010, Rolling Stone contributing editor Michael Hastings spent a month with Gen. Stanley McChrystal in Europe and Afghanistan, reporting on a profile of the supreme commander of all NATO forces in what had become America’s longest-running war. To Hastings’ astonishment, McChrystal and staff had plenty to say about the White House and its handling of the war – none of it complimentary, much of it contemptuous, and almost all of it on the record. Hastings reported their unvarnished comments in "The Runaway General," an explosive and award-winning Rolling Stone article that unleashed a global media storm and led President Obama to order McChrystal back to Washington, where he fired the general on the spot.***

***snip

Chapter 9. "Bite Me"
April 16, 2010, Paris

The next morning, Duncan [Boothby, McChrystal's top civilian press advisor] invited me to sit in on a briefing as McChrystal prepared for a speech he was scheduled to give at the École Militaire, a French military academy. I was trying to get as much reporting done as possible. I planned to leave France on Sunday to head back to Washington, where I had a number of other interviews already scheduled.

In the hotel suite, I picked a spot across from McChrystal to lean against the wall, doing what is called fly-on-the-wall reporting. It is a technique originally pioneered and made popular by Theodore White, an American journalists who wrote the 1960 best seller, The Making of the President. In the book, White had traveled and re-created scenes from President John F. Kennedy's 1960 campaign – it put the reader, as it were, inside the room, like a fly on the wall. A bug.

Usually when reporting on powerful public figures, the press advisor and I would have had a conversation that established what journalists call "ground rules," placing restrictions on what can and cannot be reported. But, as I'd already seen, McChrystal and his team followed their own freewheeling playbook. When I arrived in Paris, Duncan repeatedly dismissed the idea of ground rules, telling me it wasn’t the way the team did things. McChrystal would also tell me he wasn’t "going to tell me how to write my story." In fact, McChrystal and his staff requested to go off the record only twice during my entire time with them – requests that I honored when it came time to write my story and that I continue to honor to this day. This was great for me, an incredible opportunity for a journalist, as it gave me the freedom to report what I saw and heard.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/exclusive-excerpt-the-operators-by-michael-hastings-20120103#ixzz1iadyCoWz


DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
58. Ths is why I love to read the Internets
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jan 2012

People who only watch TV for mindless shows, have no clue what is really going on in the world.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
57. The Coming Dry Spell---The southwestern U.S. looks a lot like Australia before its nine-year
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-coming-mega-drought

The southwestern U.S. looks a lot like Australia before its nine-year dry spell

Australia experienced the worst and most consistent dry period in its recorded history over much of the past decade. The Murray River failed to reach the sea for the first time ever in 2002. Fires swept much of the country, and dust storms blanketed major cities for days. Australia’s sheep population dropped by 50 percent, and rice and cotton production collapsed in some years. Tens of thousands of farm families gave up their livelihoods. The drought ended in 2010 with torrential rains and flooding.

Australia’s Millennium Drought is a wake-up call for residents of the drought-plagued southwestern U.S. and for all of us. What happened in Australia could happen in the U.S., with devastating consequences to the region and to the nation. We can avert the worst, however, if we pay attention to Australia’s experience and learn the right lessons.

The southwestern U.S. bears some resemblance to parts of Australia before the drought. Both include arid regions where thirsty cities and irrigated agriculture are straining water supplies and damaging ecosystems. The Colorado River no longer flows to the sea in most years. Water levels in major reservoirs have steadily declined over the past decade; some analysts project that the largest may never refill. The U.S. and Australia also share a changing global climate that is increasing the risk of drought.

Evidence is mounting that climate change is playing a role in Australia’s water woes. Since 1950 average rainfall has decreased 15 percent, and researchers found average temperatures over southeastern Australia from 1995 to 2006 were 0.3 to 0.6 degree Celsius higher than the long-term average. The combination of higher evaporation and lower precipitation depletes soil moisture and reduces runoff, making droughts more intense and more frequent. Australian scientists forecast a 35 to 50 percent decline in water availability in the Murray-Darling river basin and a drop in flows near the mouth of the Murray by up to 70 percent by 2030.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
75. Global Growth Slows to 3.9% as O’Neill Sees BRICs Diminished by Population
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:32 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-02/global-growth-slows-to-3-9-as-o-neill-sees-brics-diminished-by-population.html

...Aging and shrinking labor pools are also poised to curb expansion across the other so-called BRIC nations that contributed almost half of global growth in the past decade. With fewer youths keeping factories going and more pensioners to support in those markets, the world economy is set to slow, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) says.

The number of people older than 65 in Brazil, Russia, India and China will rise 46 percent to 295 million by 2020 and to 412 million by 2030, according to United Nations projections. The pool of 15 to 24-year-olds, the mainstay for factories like Liu’s that drove China’s boom for three decades, will fall by 61 million by 2030, about the population of Italy...As the BRICs slow down, global growth probably will peak at about 4.3 percent this decade and fall to 3.9 percent in the 2020s, according a Dec. 7 report by Goldman analysts. That’s prompting fund managers including Mark Mobius to invest in so- called frontier markets such as Nigeria, Vietnam and Argentina, where average annual growth is set to rise to 5.1 percent this decade, from about 4.3 percent in the previous 10 years...Goldman Sachs Asset Management Chairman Jim O’Neill, who coined the BRICs acronym a decade ago, said other emerging economies may now be better investments -- especially Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt and Mexico. “These four countries could be in the top 10 contributors to global GDP this decade, adding well over $2 trillion,” London-based O’Neill said in an e-mailed response to questions on Dec. 29. “With large young populations, these countries could become powerful growth stories.”

While Goldman started its N-11 fund (GSYIX) in February covering the “Next Eleven” emerging nations to “benefit from superior growth potential,” O’Neill said the size of the BRICs economies means they will remain “the most dominant and positive force in the world economy.” Together, Brazil, Russia, India and China account for about 25 percent of world gross domestic product, according to Goldman...

SO NOW GOLDMAN IS GOING INTO FAMILY PLANNING? MUCH MORE AT LINK
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
76. Primary Dealers See QE3 Coming
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jan 2012
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/01/04/primary-dealers-see-qe3-coming/?mod=dist_smartbrief

“Primary dealers,” those 21 lucky banks that answered the Old Bridge Troll’s questions correctly and were granted the right to do business directly with the Fed, see QE3 coming and don’t see the Fed raising rates for at least two years.

That’s according to the results of a new survey of primary dealers by the New York Fed. Primary dealers, on average, assign a 45% chance of a Fed interest-rate increase in the second quarter of 2014. Before that, the chances of a rate increase are never higher than 15%. That pretty much gibes with what the furtive fed funds futures market sees happening. The primary dealers also see a 60% chance of the Fed adding to its System Open Market Account holdings — embarking on QE3, in other words — in the next two years. That also gibes generally with what many on Wall Street seem to expect.

This is having little effect on markets — 10-year Treasury yields are at 1.99%, about where they were before the survey was released. Stocks are snoozing. Given that none of this is really unexpected, that’s not too surprising.

Update: But it is worth noting just how dire the economic forecasts of these major banks are. They see GDP growth of 2.1% and 2.5% in 2012 and 2013, respectively, and average unemployment of 8.7% and 8.3% in 2012 and 2013. They also think there’s a 25% chance of a recession in the next six months. And they see only a 30% chance, at most, of the Fed embarking on any sort of policy-tightening activity in the next two years. That includes simply moving the market on its “extended period” language for low rates.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
79. Negative start. Markets focusing on Europe instead of ADP jobs data. Euro down to $1.28
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012
[font color="red"]Dow 12,349 -70 -0.56%
Nasdaq 2,643 -5 -0.20%
S&P 500 1,270 -7 -0.54%
GlobalDow 1,819 -19 -1.05%
Gold 1,600 -13 -0.78%
Oil 102.58 -0.62 -0.60%
Euro /$1US 1.2809 -0.0136 [/font]


umm...why the hell is that in green?? I set the font color to red! *shrug*


oh well...blah.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
88. Initial Jobless Claims in U.S. Fall to 372,000
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:36 AM
Jan 2012

Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Fewer Americans filed claims for unemployment insurance payments last week, showing the labor market is starting 2012 on better footing than a year earlier.

Applications for jobless benefits (INJCJC) decreased 15,000 in the week ended Dec. 31 to 372,000, Labor Department figures showed today. The median estimate of 38 economists in a Bloomberg News survey forecast 375,000 claims. The average over the past four weeks declined to the lowest level in more than three years.

The decrease in firings indicates employers may be getting more comfortable with their headcounts and their economic outlooks as the year begins. Economists forecast a Labor Department report tomorrow will show hiring picked up and joblessness held below 9 percent in December...

... Companies added 325,000 workers in December, more than forecast, adding to evidence the labor market was gaining momentum heading into 2012, figures from the Roseland, New Jersey-based ADP Employer Services also showed today.

/... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/first-time-unemployment-claims-in-u-s-dropped-15-000-last-week-to-372-000.html

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
80. People Want Transit-Accessible Housing, But Will They Be Able To Afford It
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/05/the_metro_premium.html



Stephanie Hession runs some useful comparisons on housing costs in the DC area and finds that people are willing to pay a significant premium to live within walking distance of a Metro station. It's about a 9 percent premium in Fairfax County, a 28 percent premium in the District, and in "the Northern Virginia, Inner Beltway and Montgomery County submarkets, the premiums are even higher, both near 40 percent in the third quarter of 2011."

2012 is set to be a big year for transit starts, which is good news. But it's worth reflecting on the fact that these high premia are a sign of something out of whack. It's natural for land with access to special geographical features, be that a Metro station or a beach, to be more expensive than land elsewhere. But we have the technology—specifically elevators—to fit a very large number of homes on a small patch of land if the market demand for living there is real. The gigantic premiums in the inner ring of suburbs strongly suggest that the areas around their Metro stations are under-built, and probably saddled with excess parking requirements, height restrictions, and other rules that restrict access to transit-oriented housing. The 28 percent premium in the District is bad enough, but 40 percent is absurd. The lesson for cities around the country who are making new investments in transit infrastructure is that this stuff is both expensive and valuable. But to maximize the value you get for your expense, you really need to unlock the potential for densty created by the high demand for these locations. If you build the lines but don't allow the density, you've really just created a private benefit for people who happen to live near the stations.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
82. oil prices soar over possible show down with iran
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.nationofchange.org/oil-prices-soar-over-possible-showdown-iran-1325687635

The pos­si­bil­ity of a con­fronta­tion be­tween the United States and Iran ap­peared to rise Tues­day after the Obama ad­min­is­tra­tion de­clared it would dis­re­gard an Iran­ian warn­ing against mov­ing a U.S. air­craft car­rier strike group into the oil-rich Per­sian Gulf.

The po­ten­tial for a cri­sis that could dis­rupt Gulf tanker traf­fic that car­ries some 40 per cent of the world’s seaborne oil sent in­ter­na­tional pe­tro­leum prices soar­ing more than $4 a bar­rel, a po­ten­tial threat to the strug­gling U.S. and global economies.

The rise in ten­sions comes as the Iran­ian econ­omy is be­gin­ning to suf­fer se­ri­ous im­pacts from a raft of U.S. and Eu­ro­pean sanc­tions im­posed on Tehran for re­ject­ing re­peated UN de­mands to halt a nu­clear pro­gram. Iran is widely be­lieved to be se­cretly de­vel­op­ing nu­clear weapons, but Tehran de­nies the charge.

The Iran­ian cur­rency, the rial, plunged to a record low against the U.S. dol­lar, re­port­edly trig­ger­ing a run on banks by Ira­ni­ans anx­ious to pro­tect their sav­ings by buy­ing the Amer­i­can cur­rency be­fore the ex­change rate wors­ened.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
83. Dated but good info....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jan 2012

Steffy Loren is a local business reporter for the Chronicle. I like him very much. I thought I would post this TV segment of him. I also liked the guy he was with. It is the Fox local, but this is really good information. This was shortly after the rating downgrade for the USA.

The best take away I got was this. Investments don't make you rich. It is a way to protect your savings. It is savings that make you rich...which explains why every truly wealthy person I have ever met would die and go to hell before the ever touched 'the principle' of their money.

http://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/2011/08/talking-downgrade-on-fox-26/

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
85. King Cobra and the Dragon {china and africa}
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2012/01/20121484624797945.html

China's increasing engagement with Africa has become a subject of great controversy. The country's commercial interests in Africa have been called a new form of colonialism by some in the West, but many Africans say that China is a better partner than Europe or the US. But what is the reality in the African nations with the longest standing links to China?

People and Power sent Sino-French academic Solange Chatelard and filmmaker Scott Corben to Zambia during the presidential elections in September 2011 to investigate whether Africa has entered a new era of colonialism with
Chinese firms maltreating workers and devouring the continent's natural resources.

Thousands of Chinese have settled in Zambia and opened businesses, but relations have not always run smoothly.

In 2005, an accident in an explosives factory at the Chinese-owned Chambishi mine caused the deaths of dozens of Zambian workers. The incident focused Zambian minds on poor working conditions in Chinese-owned businesses and made Sino-Zambian relations a major issue in the following year's presidential election.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
89. This is a few years old but a good article -- Special Report: China Storms Africa
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:45 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china-in-africa.html

While America is preoccupied with the war in Iraq (cost: half a trillion dollars and counting), and while think-tank economists continue to spit out papers debating whether vital resources are running out at all, China's leadership isn't taking any chances. In just a few years, the People's Republic of China (PRC) has become the most aggressive investor-nation in Africa. This commercial invasion is without question the most important development in the sub-Sahara since the end of the Cold War -- an epic, almost primal propulsion that is redrawing the global economic map. One former U.S. assistant secretary of state has called it a "tsunami." Some are even calling the region "ChinAfrica."

There are already more Chinese living in Nigeria than there were Britons during the height of the empire. From state-owned and state-linked corporations to small entrepreneurs, the Chinese are cutting a swath across the continent. As many as 1 million Chinese citizens are circulating here. Each megaproject announced by China's government creates collateral economies and population monuments, like the ripples of a stone skimmed across a lake.

Beijing declared 2006 the "Year of Africa," and China's leaders have made one Bono-like tour after another. No other major power has shown the same interest or muscle, or the sheer ability to cozy up to African leaders. And unlike America's faltering effort in Iraq, the Chinese ain't spreading democracy, folks. They're there to get what they need to feed the machine. The phenomenon even has a name on the ground in the sub-Sahara: the Great Chinese Takeout.




It's a 6-part article that's well worth the read.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
87. Been a while for me
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jan 2012

Having a little trouble navigating thru this new DU but was able to subscribe to the economy forum to find SMW.

Really like all the graphics. Visuals help me. Didn't expect to find Ms Gold at the top..what a nice surprise. As always Demeter giving us the real lowdown. We really need to know what's going on. This year might be pivotal for the working class.

What happened to the little graphics we use to have like the smileys and thumbsup?

Tansy_Gold

(17,856 posts)
90. Welcome back!
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jan 2012

I think the smileys are available in the problems and metadiscussion forum, pinned to the top.

I just memorized the ones I use the most, like

(leave out the spaces)

: thumbsup :
: hi :
: evilgrin :
: donut :




Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
92. So, how's life in the Twilight Zone?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jan 2012

I've just been popping in to observe lately. Less and less.

My back has been making life miserable for me for the last few weeks, and then I woke up yesterday morning (the coldest of the year so far) with no heat. It's a good thing this is Floriduh.

As I navigated through the home page to get here, I couldn't read the nooz, because there's a big ad sitting over it. And, I'm not paying to get rid of it!

Anyway, keep up the good work. Maybe I'll pop in a bit longer later after the furnace guys leave, and the painkillers kick in!

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
94. What...
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jan 2012

no vodka? Needed to kick start your internal combustion for warmth. At least that is what they do in Russia-along with biting into a pickle between shots.

Seriously, hope you feel better and the children refrain from givivng you a massage.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
95. Change in habits.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jan 2012

I'm going to lay off the vodka for a short while. I think my liver is starting to resemble Alan Greenspan or Ron Paul.

Rosco decided to give me a massage at about 3:00am this morning after I moved to the couch. After I had slept for about an hour, he pounce with all four on my legs, like he was saying, Oh, hello! Did you come out here to play with me? Need a snuggle buddy? I'll just lay on top of you to keep you warm. Don't mind the tongue in your face"!

Ya gotta love 'em.

Now, back to bed. The drugs are kicking in!

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
108. I broke my left little toe....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jan 2012

in a foray through box canyon. I buddy taped it but DAMYM, every time I roll over at night. I hit it and it wakes me up. I guess I should break down and buy some Motrin and take it before I go to bed.

Needless to say most kids coming in to the clinic are not finding a sympathetic ear. At this time of year, most are just bored and trying to get out of class. I have too much to do and little time for drama.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
102. I've got it.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jan 2012

It just doesn't work on some ads.

I am forever grateful that it removed a former posters obnoxious vanity shot.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
98. Oh, Yes. Gotta Hold That Line
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:44 PM
Jan 2012

Daddy needs to bet, get to 12,500....

We've gone back over freezing. The yard is a swamp. The rain hadn't soaked in before the ground froze, although I don't think it's frozen where the swamp is.

I have to go get some dog food for a growing grandpuppy....

Anybody got an artist or theme for the Weekend?

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
103. I just bought Moody Blues tickets about an hour ago.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jan 2012

Don't know what kind of theme it would make though.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
104. Tansy's comments on how artist are payed.....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jan 2012

has really struck a chord with me so to speak. How artist make their bread is interesting. The payola scandal can be good. How about ripped off Missippi blues musicians. I just watched Brother Where Forth Art Thou which combines the Oddessy Theme with some pretty good music. I don't think we have done that in a while. Just tossing out a few seeds.......

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
109. Where did they get that term....
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jan 2012

from the patronage days? Actually, hubby's family can trace their lineage back to a court musician. My family does include numerous musicians including one that was a premire teacher at the Julliard. Musician trace themselves back though their teachers or the school. Artist use to have schools. Jewelry etc, seems to be through craft guilds. It is an interesting topic.

But no matter TG, I consider you in a class of your own and priceless beyond measure.

Hotler

(11,420 posts)
112. I second that. Old time mountain music.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jan 2012

One evening when the sun went down and the jungle fires were a burning. Down the tracks came a hobo hiking and he said brothers I'm not turning.....

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
105. Greece "haircuts" to hit 80%?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jan 2012

CMA Now Officially Assumes 20% Recovery In Greek Default - Time To Change Sovereign Debt Risk Management Defaults?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/cma-now-officially-assumes-20-recovery-greek-default-time-change-sovereign-debt-risk-management

One of the ironclad assumptions in CDS trading was that recovery assumptions, especially on sovereign bonds, would be 40% of par come hell or high water. This key variable, which drives various other downstream implied data points, was never really touched as most i) had never really experienced a freefall sovereign default and ii) 40% recovery on sovereign bonds seemed more than fair. Obviously with Greek bonds already trading in the 20s this assumption was substantially challenged, although the methodology for all intents and purposes remained at 40%. No more - according to CMA, the default recovery on Greece is now 20%. So how long before both this number is adjusted, before recovery assumptions for all sovereigns are adjusted lower, and before all existing risk model have to be scrapped and redone with this new assumption which would impact how trillions in cash is allocated across the board. Of course, none of this will happen - after all what happens in Greece stays in Greece. In fact since America can decouple from the outside world, it now also appears that Greece can decouple from within the Eurozone, even though it has to be in the eurozone for there to be a Eurozone. We may go as suggesting that the word of the year 2012 will be "decoupling", even though as everyone knows, decoupling does not exist: thank you 60 years of globalization, $100 trillion in cross-held debt, and a $1 quadrillion interlinked derivatives framework.


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