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socialsecurityisAAA

(191 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 02:33 AM May 2013

Global corporate monopoly! The capitalist Network that runs the world, Scientifically proven at last

Last edited Mon May 20, 2013, 05:21 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

While most have had an idea that banks run the world with their financial influence, previously it was just that....an idea. Fortunately advances in science and technology have allowed the Swiss to map this capitalist network. This study is not new, but relevant just the same. I hadn't seen it reported on enough when it was released so I wanted to post it again in case anyone missed it.

After you read the article ask yourself, Is democracy even relevant today? With an obvious monopoly influencing policy how powerful are governments in advancing the interests of the people?
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Global corporate monopoly! The capitalist Network that runs the world, Scientifically proven at last (Original Post) socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 OP
A dirty truth that must be told... napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #1
Hi napoleon, Thanks for commenting:) socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #3
Its kind of a subtle idea... napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #8
Are you refering to such things as the decriminalization/legalizatioin of marijuana? socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #10
You're asking what have we Democrats won? napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #11
The dirty truth is that capitalism, like feudalism and slavery, has run it's course and is a broken, fasttense May 2013 #5
+++++++ socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #7
I agree, its broken. But what I'm saying is we workers need to take independent action. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #9
crapitalism. pansypoo53219 May 2013 #2
The People Are Chattel In The Eyes Of The Oligarchs - Mere Things To Be Exploited cantbeserious May 2013 #4
Quote from the article snot May 2013 #6

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
1. A dirty truth that must be told...
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:22 AM
May 2013

Many years ago, before I was a Democrat, I was a Libertarian, active in dreaming about the possibilities of the private sector to create change. Like all political movements, Libertarians had policy objectives, an like all political movements, they had a culture.

The policy objectives included some social objectives often associated with the left: Gay marriage, marijuana legalization, and civil liberties restored. They also included business regulatory objectives associated with the right: deregulation of financial and business operations, allowing the free market to punish immoral practices rather than government regulation, etc.

The culture was one of so called "personal responsibility". If you wanted something done, you did it. You never were to rely upon a government policy change to accomplish anything, it was your responsibility to get it done yourself by any means necessary. The culture had some positive aspects in terms of inspiring go-getter business people, and some shadowy aspects, in terms of people who, having felt themselves the victims of criminal actions, wouldn't call the cops (government) but would take action themselves to "make things right". That was the culture.

For many years in the US, a small party has been advocating the policy objectives of libertarians, and has largely been laughed at and marginalized, while the Republican and Democratic parties have held the reigns, each with some successes. But what have those successes been?

Well, the Democratic party has achieved its policy objectives and gay rights and marijuana legalization and other social reforms, but not its reigning in of big corporations.

And the Republican party has achieved its objectives of free market operation for big banks and other corporations, and ever decreasing regulation, but none of its family values social causes.

In short, the huge winners of every cause (except civil liberties) in the last few decades has been this marginalized party no one takes seriously. Isn't that odd? Never having gained consensus support, but winning 95% of the big battles and being more dominant than either of the major parties in shaping the policies as a whole?

I bring up all these memories not to advocate for the policy objectives of this group, but as an answer to the question the OP asked:

Is democracy even relevant today?

Because unfortunately, the answer for quite awhile seems to have been a resounding "NO". Building mass consensus to appeal to leaders appears, from a scientific and objective perspective, to be far far less powerful than just going after what you want by any means necessary, as many of these business people do. Its the culture of that small group that gives it its accidental power, not its advocated policies, its popularity, or public approval. Its through their culture that US policy over the last 20 years has almost always gone their way.

The lesson for all the rest of us is pretty simple: Maybe once we figure out the game is rigged, its time to stop playing by their rules, and start playing by our own.

Peace.

3. Hi napoleon, Thanks for commenting:)
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:17 AM
May 2013

You said a party has been winning 95% of the big battles, I wasn't sure which party you were referring to? Also, what policy objectives does the party support?
Thanks

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
8. Its kind of a subtle idea...
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:28 PM
May 2013

What I'm saying is that if you look at the last few decades, America has been moving in a direction more and more consistent with the Libertarian party's goals (increased social liberties, increased deregulation of markets) without that party ever winning any elections. What I am implying is that there is a culture, of doing things independently which has become far more effective than petitioning leaders, since the political system has gotten more and more dysfunctional.

What I'm saying for Democratics, is that independent actions... Things like the Buycott app,
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/15/new-phone-app-allows-users-to-boycott-koch-brothers-and-monsanto-products/
are now far more powerful than petitioning DC.

10. Are you refering to such things as the decriminalization/legalizatioin of marijuana?
Mon May 20, 2013, 09:50 PM
May 2013

Or are you talking about things that have taken place outside of the legislative arena? No matter which, can you tell me about some of the issue's we have won? I see we have won quite a bit, but have also lost on quite a few very important issues(monsanto, monopolies, banks/corporate interests, fracking, keystone xl etc).

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
11. You're asking what have we Democrats won?
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:20 AM
May 2013

Democrats/liberals have won quite a few, but what I'm saying is that their mostly in the arena of social causes. Just picture going back back a few decades, and telling yourself then that we would have a black president, gays in the military and gay marriage, legal marijuana in many places, and have defended choice against an onslaught of attacks. Its really all very impressive. Many of these are considered big losses by social conservatives. But free market/deregulation conservatives have been kicking our butt for decades: Its gone so far right in that category Obama makes statements that decades ago you would have attributed to Reagan, and Obama gets called a socialist! The biggest wins of Democrats in my eyes against these guys has been things like Dodd Frank, and Obamacare, but they've been few and far between and hard won progress, while things like gay rights and other social issues have moved forward a lot more smoothly.

So as far as your question, there's been this drift toward both social liberties and market deregulation that's been going on a long time, and its been manifesting both in legislation and the society as a whole. What I find remarkably interesting is that the party which advocates both for social liberties and market deregulation hasn't been in power at all, yet so much of its agenda has been achieved! To me that's a big loud message to take a closer look at how they roll, as - insofar as steering the culture - they seem to be doing something very, very right.

What I think that something is has to do with individual initiative, and the power of highly dedicated small groups to get things done that's very hard to get large groups together to do. I believe liberals would be a lot more effective if we operated the same way. For example, to take on global warming, maybe the most powerful thing an individual or small group can do is to hit the books, and to work on some solutions (sequestration, mitigation, or other) in their garages, rather than seeking consensus from congress or the population at large. In addition to contributing to useful solutions, I have been seeing data which suggests that these kinds of actions seem to mysteriously steer consensus as well. I guess I can understand that a little: conservatives dismiss global warming for instance as being a profit driven scam, but maybe if they saw small businesses quietly working to profit off mitigating extreme climate events, they'd perhaps get the idea that this is is for real. (they seem to view the world through a lens of self interested individuals, to the extent where they are wary of collective and altruistic actions.)

PEace!

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
5. The dirty truth is that capitalism, like feudalism and slavery, has run it's course and is a broken,
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:41 AM
May 2013

corrupted economic system that must be replaced before human kind can move on.

It has nothing to do with if your a RepubliCON, Democrat or Libertarian. It has to do with the fact that our society ALLOWS a handful of elite rich people to control most of the wealth we create with our labor. Why should Mittens have control over so much of our wealth? Why should oil corporations be allowed to pump out oil out of our lands for practically nothing then sell it off for huge prices, while sluffing off the environmental impact and leaving the pollution for us to clean up?

Why should we allow corporations to ship our factories to foreign countries and THEN ALLOW them to come back and sell the crap, made by sweat shops and prison labor, back to us.

Yes, the game is rigged by capitalists. Capitalism, much like the game of monopoly, leads to the amassing of wealth in a few corrupt hands while the majority of people suffer.

At work, you have to do what you are told, it is a luxury if you are allowed to ask questions. Management's job is to force people to do more and more work for less and less pay. This economic system ensures that democracy is not available to the worker for most of their working life. What if you went to work and had a say over what the business did with the products you made or had a say over how the product was made. What if you had a vote at work on who the CEO was, or who the board of directors were? What if the guy who put together the car got a say on how much executives got paid?

We workers need to introduce democracy in the work place and take over the means of production, takeover the running of businesses and corporations. We certainly can't do any worse than what most of these corrupt CEOs and board members have done.

7. +++++++
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:54 AM
May 2013

"We workers need to introduce democracy in the work place and take over the means of production, takeover the running of businesses and corporations. We certainly can't do any worse than what most of these corrupt CEOs and board members have done. "

Thumbs up!

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
9. I agree, its broken. But what I'm saying is we workers need to take independent action.
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

Like I pointed out in the link above, things like Buycott:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/15/new-phone-app-allows-users-to-boycott-koch-brothers-and-monsanto-products/
That app empowers consumer choice, and lets you buy things that jive with our morality. We need to get outside the box, think about doing things like starting our own companies. You talk about things like democracy at work, which isn't a bad idea, but at the same time its still bogged down in the concept of building consensus in a world with a lot of confused people and bad information, which is really a tough thing to do.

What I'm really talking about is Dems getting rid of the idea that we need to spend so much time building consensus at all, and just getting out there and finding out ways to do what needs to be done to make the world a better place, on our own or in small teams of like minded people.

snot

(10,520 posts)
6. Quote from the article
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:44 AM
May 2013

(just to emphasize):

"147 even more tightly knit companies - all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity - that controlled 40 per cent of the total wealth in the network. 'In effect, less than 1 per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network,' says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group."
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