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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,388 posts)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 09:02 AM Aug 2021

The Military-Industrial Complex Will Be Just Fine Without Afghanistan

Full disclosure: I have money in a Northrop Grumman retirement fund.

WAR STORIES

The Military-Industrial Complex Will Be Just Fine Without Afghanistan

Defense contractors made a lot less money than you’d think from the 20-year war.

BY FRED KAPLAN
AUG 19, 2021 2:09 PM

A widely retweeted article this week in the Intercept claims that the 20-year Afghanistan war, far from being a failure, was an “extraordinary success” for the top five U.S. defense contractors.

The article calculates that if you had invested an evenly divided $10,000 in those companies’ stocks on Sept. 18, 2001, the date President George W. Bush signed the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, those shares would be worth $97,795 today. By contrast, if you’d put the same money in an S&P 500 index fund, you’d have only $61,612. So the big five defense corporations outperformed the stock market by 56 percent.

This is spurious, to say the least. Yes, there is a military-industrial complex, and yes, defense companies have performed better than many (but far from all) other sectors of the economy since the century began. But the growth of the five largest companies—Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics—has had almost nothing to do with Afghanistan.

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In other words, if the United States had never gone to war in Afghanistan, the profit sheets of these companies would be pretty much unchanged.

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Over the 20-year war, the U.S. supplied the Afghan military with a total of $83 billion in supplies and weapons. That comes to a little more than $4 billion a year on average—a small fraction of the total U.S. defense budget.

If it were otherwise, we should see a precipitous decline in defense stocks as the U.S. war in Afghanistan has screeched to a halt. But an article in this week’s Barron’s argues that the withdrawal will benefit defense stocks. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban will mean less stability in the region, which will increase demand for “intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance missions” as well as “unmanned systems, missiles, and satellite capabilities.” That’s where the major contractors are primed for growth. They’ve had very little to do with combat in Afghanistan, but they may play a role in what President Joe Biden has called “over-the-horizon” surveillance and targeting in the future (i.e., gathering intelligence and launching air or missile strikes from hundreds of miles away).

The war in Afghanistan was a misguided morass in many ways. But it’s an ideological cliché—and a mistaken one, at that—to suggest that the military-industrial complex had anything to do with it.
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The Military-Industrial Complex Will Be Just Fine Without Afghanistan (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 OP
K&R 2naSalit Aug 2021 #1
No doubt dlk Aug 2021 #2
My money is on money laundering. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #3
For the most part, the money stays right here. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #4
I wasn't talking about the contractors. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #5
Oh, sorry. My bad. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2021 #7
No problem. Good Morning! 🌻🌞🌻 littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #8
Scenes from the Collapse of an Empire, umm Republic. Loge23 Aug 2021 #6

dlk

(11,541 posts)
2. No doubt
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 09:08 AM
Aug 2021

Military contractors are a resilient and resourceful lot. However, the $2 trillion spent in Afghanistan is nothing to sneeze at.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
5. I wasn't talking about the contractors. I'm sorry I wasn't clear.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 10:37 AM
Aug 2021

Last edited Wed Aug 25, 2021, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)

I meant that prolonging the war allows a cover for money laundering because of the Afghan traditional hawala system of money handling.


Dirty Money in Afghanistan
How Kabul is Cleaning Up the Illicit Economy

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Most of the country's economic activity is informal, and data provided by the Ministry of Finance suggest that only 35 percent of the financial flows within the country are legal. Unregulated cash transactions and remittances through the country's traditional money transfer system, a network of brokers known as hawala, are the rule. According to the Financial Action Task Force, an international anti-money-laundering body, more than half of all transactions in Afghanistan involve hawala brokers.


https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2016-09-07/dirty-money-afghanistan?utm_medium=promo_email&utm_source=lo_flows&utm_campaign=registered_user_welcome&utm_term=email_1&utm_content=20210821

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
6. Scenes from the Collapse of an Empire, umm Republic.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 10:38 AM
Aug 2021

The corrupt military-industrial complex in the USA grifted us out of trillions of dollars and now has effectively armed the Taliban.
Think they care?
They're hand-wringing their way to the bank.
They used our blood, our troops, and stole our money.
May they rot in hell.

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