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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:59 PM

There is this weird new corporate trend to outright DEMONIZE employees who care about getting paid:



What is "rage applying"?

It's when you are unhappy with your current job and you are
1. looking for a new job, any new job, as soon as possible, just to get out
2. looking for more money

And economic bullshit-artists love talking about "rage applying" because they can then sell their bullshit-advice to corporations that corporations shouldn't hire these kinds of people.

Corporate consultant Jenn Lim is advising companies to probe job-applicants in interviews whether they want this job for money, or whether they want it for "the right reasons".





To recap:

"quiet quitting" - when an employee does what he gets paid to do and doesn't put in extra work for free

"quiet hiring" - when the company dumps work on somebody that is not in their job-description

"career cushioning" - when an employee prepares in advance for getting laid off, by taking skill-training on the side or by keeping tabs on job-offers

"rage applying" - when you apply for a new job because you are seriously unhappy with your current job



The perfect employee does not do "quiet quitting", but works extra hours for free.
The perfect employee is ok with "quiet hiring" and does extra work for free for the promise that this is good for career-prospects.
The perfect employee does not "rage apply", but stays on the job despite being unhappy.
The perfect employee does "career cushioning"and prepares for getting backstabbed by his company.

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Reply There is this weird new corporate trend to outright DEMONIZE employees who care about getting paid: (Original post)
DetlefK Jan 25 OP
live love laugh Jan 25 #1
DBoon Jan 25 #2
Farmer-Rick Jan 27 #35
Srkdqltr Jan 25 #3
Freethinker65 Jan 25 #4
exboyfil Jan 25 #7
BComplex Jan 25 #5
Skittles Jan 25 #6
paleotn Jan 25 #9
Skittles Jan 25 #11
paleotn Jan 25 #15
Skittles Jan 25 #16
paleotn Jan 25 #18
Skittles Jan 25 #20
paleotn Jan 25 #21
Skittles Jan 25 #22
paleotn Jan 25 #25
rubbersole Jan 25 #23
paleotn Jan 25 #24
rubbersole Jan 25 #27
Farmer-Rick Jan 27 #36
hadEnuf Jan 25 #8
paleotn Jan 25 #10
Skittles Jan 25 #17
paleotn Jan 25 #26
hadEnuf Jan 25 #28
Skittles Jan 25 #29
hadEnuf Jan 26 #31
Skittles Jan 26 #32
hadEnuf Jan 26 #33
Skittles Jan 26 #34
Farmer-Rick Jan 27 #37
Evolve Dammit Jan 25 #12
irisblue Jan 25 #13
Farmer-Rick Jan 27 #38
Astraea Jan 25 #14
Skittles Jan 25 #19
Six117 Jan 25 #30

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:19 PM

1. When will people stop saying every fricking thing they read online?

Don’t they realize this is Republican BS?

The more they say it the more ingrained it becomes.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:23 PM

2. Karl Marx was right about the basic nature of capitalism

In capitalist society spare time is acquired for one class by converting the whole life-time of the masses into labour-time.


https://libquotes.com/karl-marx/quotes/labour

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Response to DBoon (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:17 AM

35. Well said.

Karl Marx was ahead of his time in a lot economic issues. Reading his writing sometimes amazes me that he wrote this back in the1800s.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:32 PM

3. Looking for more money is always the right reason.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:35 PM

4. Actually the employer, if confident about the employees current position/pay/benefits

should encourage "rage applying" from an unhappy employee. First of all, an unhappy employee is not good for company morale, and secondly, that employee may find that the compensation for the currently held position is well within the standard range.

Now, if the employer is just exploiting the employee, it is the employer that has the problem, isn't it?

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:13 PM

7. Great point

The invisible hand until the hand is held out for the compensation that the free market dictates is the actual worth of the employee.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:49 PM

5. Proletariat: (definition) --- Capitalism: (definition)

PROLETARIAT (proletarian): The "lower" or "working" classes, the members of which must under capitalism sell their labor in order to earn a living.

cap·i·tal·ism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.


In a capitalist economy, capital assets—such as factories, mines, and railroads—can be privately owned and controlled, labor is purchased for money wages, capital gains accrue to private owners, and prices allocate capital and labor between competing uses (see “Supply and Demand”).


Googling

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:49 PM

6. just a new word for something old

people have long applied for jobs because they hated their current one, there's nothing wrong with that

honestly, if employers spent more time treating their employees better they would be more inclined to get - and keep - happier employees

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:35 PM

9. Funny how people take a few extremes....

and apply them to all employers. Most employers actually do what you suggest. But biased thinking sounds and feels better on an internet forum I guess.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:41 PM

11. in my experience of DECADES of working

I have noticed that employees are being treated far worse than when I first started out.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:53 PM

15. My decades show little to no change.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:55 PM

16. LOLOL

ALRIGHTY THEN

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:58 PM

18. Just as anecdotal as yours.



I manage people. Have for years in ...gasp!...corporate Amurka.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:03 PM

20. OH I NEVER DOUBTED *THAT*

not at ALL

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Response to Skittles (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:04 PM

21. Oh, please.

Stereotypes and extreme bias are so much easier than critical thinking. Hey, I get it.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:04 PM

22. yes, EXACTLY my thought

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Response to Skittles (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:08 PM

25. Glad your not on my crew....

My folks are paid well, treated well and do a great job. Just regular professionals guided primarily by data and critical thinking, not their biases.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:05 PM

23. In general, people give less of a shit than they used to.

No just about their employment, but civility across the board.

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Response to rubbersole (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:06 PM

24. Maybe. Maybe not. Data? Or just your general feeling about things?

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Response to paleotn (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:23 PM

27. Anecdotal.

When graduating seniors in high school are asked what they want to "be", the most frequent answer is an internet influencer. Between automation and artificial intelligence eliminating millions of former career paths, no final positive outcomes (pensions, savings opportunities) after a lifetime of work, why would anyone want to do extra for their paycheck? Your employer's only goal is maximum profits, not workers well being. Survival isn't an incentive. Just sayin '.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:30 AM

36. I agree

Talking to my adult kids and how their employers treat them. I had it a lot better.

They are called into work at all times of day without on call pay. They are required to buy uniforms without compensation. They are constantly getting scolded as if they are children. Abuse, cliques and harassment are common place.

Managers are frequently more concerned about throwing their weight around instead of what was more efficient, saved the most money or made the most sense.

It's all this while employers expect you to work for pennies and to bow in their presence. Ok that last part was exaggerated. But employers expect you to be forever grateful for a crappy job. As if you didn't have to work for every penny.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:27 PM

8. Corporations want "the right kind" of slaves now.

n/t

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:36 PM

10. Ugh.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:57 PM

17. you'll have to excuse Paleotn

he thinks employers treat their workers just swell!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:11 PM

26. flaming now are we?

Nice.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:19 PM

28. Some smart ones do, but many crap all over employees.

Psychotic supervisors and managers, overworked and exploited labor, no rights or no enforcement of rights - the usual things.

These things and many more were fought for decades ago and will obviously have to be fought for all over again.

One either gets a job in a good place and stays there or they don't work for someone else at all and have simply not experienced a bad employer.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:55 PM

29. CORRECT

anyone who suggests everything is just fine for employees works in a freaking bubble

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Response to Skittles (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:18 AM

31. If minimum wage went to $1.00 per hour we'd all be making $60.00 a week.

Because the work week would go back to 60 hours instead of 40.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:42 PM

32. I have zero clue what you mean

the money that should be going to minimum wage now flows to the top

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:18 PM

33. I meant if businesses could get away with paying everyone $1.00 an hour, they would do it.

And they would also bring back the 60 hour work week instead of the 40 hour work week to boot.

(the 40 hour work week came about from the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1940)

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:32 PM

34. oh absolutely correct

they'd use children, too

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:34 AM

37. Yeah, when your boss pays you minimum wage

He's saying I'd pay you less if I could get away with it.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:42 PM

12. weaponization for employee control. Lovely. "The right reasons??" Would be what exactly? nt

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:43 PM

13. I heard this today on All Things Considered on NPR

Source-https://www.npr.org/2023/01/25/1150816271/employee-engagement-gallup-survey-workers-hybrid-remote

3 min audio

snip-"A new report from Gallup finds that large numbers of workers, especially Gen Zers and young millennials, are not engaged with their jobs. And that could make their climb up the career ladder harder, as well as hurt companies' overall performance.

Employee engagement has fallen since 2020
The Gallup survey of roughly 67,000 people in 2022 found only 32% of workers are engaged with their work compared with 36% in 2020.

The share of workers found to be "actively disengaged" has risen since 2020, while the share of those in the middle — those considered "not engaged" — has remained about the same."

snip-"There's a growing disconnect between employee [and] employer. You could almost equate it to employees becoming a little bit more like gig workers," says Jim Harter, chief workplace scientist at Gallup and author of the new report."

More at source, not a long article

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Response to irisblue (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 27, 2023, 10:54 AM

38. Thanks for posting this

I had to look up what engagement meant in this context.

"Gallup measures a worker's level of engagement based on a series of questions such as: Does the employee understand what is expected of them at work? Do their opinions seem to count? Do they have opportunities to do what they do best? Do they have a best friend at work?"

But the majority of the things they list are a manager's job to instill in their employees. If you don't understand what is expected of you at work your manager and trainers have failed miserablely. If an employees opinion doesn't count, it's the boss's fault. How can an employee make his opinion count if management doesn't care?

So what this so called employee engagement really measures is how well the manager or boss has trained and integrated the employee into the functions of the workplace.

But instead of looking at training and orientation provided by employers. They just lay it in the lap of the employee.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:51 PM

14. I thought in capitalism

you were supposed to want more money? And to do as little as possible to get it? To get maximal gains with the least input?

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Response to Astraea (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:59 PM

19. that's just for the white males at the top!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM, ASTRAEA!

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:33 PM

30. Too many toxic workplaces

that often have no problem stealing from employees as well.

Wage theft often goes unpunished despite state systems meant to combat it https://www.cbsnews.com/news/owed-employers-face-little-accountability-for-wage-theft/

Not even the tip of the iceberg

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