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Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:02 PM Oct 2014

Cuomo Calls Public Schools a "Monopoly."

Wants more charters, more "competition", more bureaucratic observations and teacher evals , more legislation, more red tape, yada yada yada.


More of the same, in other words. Re. the "monopoly" bit: if he were governor of , say , Oklahoma, wouldn't we be calling him a "tea partier"?

New York Daily News:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-vows-bust-school-monopoly-re-elected-article-1.1989478

ALBANY — Vowing to break “one of the only remaining public monopolies,” Gov. Cuomo on Monday said he’ll push for a new round of teacher evaluation standards if re-elected.

Cuomo, during a meeting with the Daily News Editorial Board, said better teachers and competition from charter schools are the best ways to revamp an underachieving and entrenched public education system.

“I believe these kinds of changes are probably the single best thing that I can do as governor that’s going to matter long-term,” he said, “to break what is in essence one of the only remaining public monopolies — and that’s what this is, it’s a public monopoly.”

He said the key is to put “real performance measures with some competition, which is why I like charter schools.”

Cuomo said he will push a plan that includes more incentives — and sanctions — that “make it a more rigorous evaluation system.”

Cuomo expects fierce opposition from the state’s teachers, who are already upset with him and have refused to endorse his re-election bid.

“The teachers don’t want to do the evaluations and they don’t want to do rigorous evaluations — I get it,” Cuomo said. “I feel exactly opposite.”

The teachers don’t want to do the evaluations and they don’t want to do rigorous evaluations — I get it.
Cuomo in 2012 won enactment of a new system tying teacher performance to the Common Core curriculum testing results.

The implementation of some of those standards was delayed for two years earlier this year in recognition of the sloppy roll-out of the Common Core program.

Cuomo accused teachers of having tried to torpedo the Common Core curriculum in fighting the evaluation standards — and expects they will again.

“They will be using it the way they used it, I believe — to get the parents upset last year about this entire Common Core agenda,” he said.

On other matters, Cuomo refused to say whether he or members of his administration have been subpoenaed by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, who is probing the governor’s handling of his anti-corruption commission.

“Call Mr. Preet Bharara and ask him about his investigation,” Cuomo demurred.


U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara is investigating the governor's handling of his anti-corruption commission.

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Cuomo Calls Public Schools a "Monopoly." (Original Post) Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 OP
Hello Howie tk2kewl Oct 2014 #1
Rereading the article, it strikes me how much more Cuomo knows about teaching.... Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 #3
educators call Cuomo an "idiot" pscot Oct 2014 #2
Fuck Cuomo. I sent in my absentee ballot and... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #4
Curious, does the ballot still get accepted with a missing vote? arcane1 Oct 2014 #6
Nothing says you have to vote on everything or every office... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #7
I was thinking more about the machines rejecting ballots with missing votes. arcane1 Oct 2014 #9
The machine will only reject a ballot with too many votes... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #11
The state government is a monopoly, and needs competition. Choose between many governments! arcane1 Oct 2014 #5
please don;t give them ideas! DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #10
fuckwit geardaddy Oct 2014 #8
And another thing... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #12
Without doing the research.... the Cuomo/Kennedy kids are tucked away there. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 #13
Well I don't know if the Obama girls AndreaCG Oct 2014 #15
University of Chicago Lab School. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 #17
Thanks for the info AndreaCG Oct 2014 #18
Off topic, but the Kagan family is most interesting. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 #19
Irving the teacher did AndreaCG Oct 2014 #21
I was going to vote for him after he eased the quarantine rules AndreaCG Oct 2014 #14
Interesting thread in the NYS Forum.... Smarmie Doofus Oct 2014 #20
Thanks AndreaCG Oct 2014 #22
Public Education is a Public Utility--Everyone pays for it, everyone can use it Demeter Oct 2014 #16
A Democrat. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #23
 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. Rereading the article, it strikes me how much more Cuomo knows about teaching....
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:10 PM
Oct 2014

>>>On other matters, Cuomo refused to say whether he or members of his administration have been subpoenaed by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, who is probing the governor’s handling of his anti-corruption commission. >>>>

than about the corruption in his own administration.

Funny how that works.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. Fuck Cuomo. I sent in my absentee ballot and...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:16 PM
Oct 2014

voted straight Democrat except for Governor-- I just left that one blank. The rest of the slate is people I know and have worked for and hope they win. Cuomo will win, and the only good thing there is that the other guy's worse.

Except for party hacks, who have to love him, pretty much every one I know out here thinks Cuomo's a dick.



 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. Curious, does the ballot still get accepted with a missing vote?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:17 PM
Oct 2014

I ask because I think I might be leaving a few blanks myself

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Nothing says you have to vote on everything or every office...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:27 PM
Oct 2014

people regularly leave blanks on all sorts of stuff, especially those propositions on the back. I remember one guy who left the whole thing blank-- said he believed everyone should vote, but didn't like anyone running that year.

I think I'm going to stop voting for judges, too. I vote for them by party, but don't know anything about them except they all take huge donations from lawyers. Electing judges is idiotic anyway.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
9. I was thinking more about the machines rejecting ballots with missing votes.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:36 PM
Oct 2014

I'd hate to go through it all only to have my ballot not counted, and I'd never know about it

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
11. The machine will only reject a ballot with too many votes...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:51 PM
Oct 2014

like voting for two people for Governor. Even then, the machines we use can be forced to accept the rest of the ballot so the other votes will count.

Missing votes means nothing to the machines. It's expected some people or things wan't get voted on.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. The state government is a monopoly, and needs competition. Choose between many governments!
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:16 PM
Oct 2014

Sounds silly, doesn't it?

I don't understand how some think a good job can't get done unless there is a competitor and a risk of losing everything. Perhaps if education was treated like a priority there would be better results.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
10. please don;t give them ideas!
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:45 PM
Oct 2014

I am sure Texas is tryign to doe xactly that, as are some Californians!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. And another thing...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:56 PM
Oct 2014

New York State already has large networks of private schools providing plenty of "competition".

Like hell we need more "for profit" schools around here.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
13. Without doing the research.... the Cuomo/Kennedy kids are tucked away there.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:10 PM
Oct 2014

i.e. in megabucks private schools w. NO CCSS, NO convoluted NYS teacher eval formula, NO class size larger than mandated by law (rather 12 or 15 kids to a class, I'll wager.) and NO Race to the Top.

If I recall .....there's just one of the girls left in prep school, the others having graduated.

Anyway.... it's always a source of amazement to me how people like Cuomo, Obama, Gates, Duncan, and on and on and on..... can know SO MUCH (!!!!) about public schools without EVER in their LIVES having had anything to DO with them.

Either as provider or consumer.

I don't get it. There must be some kind of osmosis-like phenomenon going on between them and their household staff. You know, butlers, maids, drivers, nannys, etc.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
15. Well I don't know if the Obama girls
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:48 PM
Oct 2014

Were in public or private schools before he became president. It very well may be easier for the SS to protect them if they're in a small private school. But besides his time in Indonesia I doubt Obama was in private school prior to college. If you do please share.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
17. University of Chicago Lab School.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:12 PM
Oct 2014

W. other children of the political/social elite. (it's *private* and big $$$).

(Duncan went there too, If I'm not mistaken. Father was on the faculty of U of C.)

Obama: Punahou School in Honolulu. From age 10 on. Private and expensive. ( My guess is he won an academic scholarship. No ever said he wasn't a good student.)

Grandparents pulled strings to get him in there, however. He jumped the line, so to speak. It's in "Dreams From My Father".

He did go to both private ( Catholic) and "public" school as a very young child in Indonesia. I "" the "public" because I'm not sure "public" school means exactly the same thing in Indonesia as it means here. ( I suspect it does not; but I could be wrong.)

The president... to the best of my knowledge never attended an American public school.
Nor did his children.

This being the case... I can't help but wonder how he came upon his ideas about public education.

I think if we could determine *that*.... we ( teachers and other people who know a lot about public schools) might be able to more effectively engage him on the issue.... to put it as diplomatically as I possibly can.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
18. Thanks for the info
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

I too went to a school affiliated with a college although it was public. Highly selective though. Elena Kagan was a classmate. But if my alternative was a dangerous and underperforming public school for my kids like the ones on the south side of Chicago tend to be, I might opt for private school too. That said, I wish he'd get rid of Arne Duncan.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
19. Off topic, but the Kagan family is most interesting.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:56 PM
Oct 2014

One brother was a SS teacher at famed Bx HS of Science and was run outta there ( I do believe) by a fanatic "reform" principal. (Like a lot of folks there.)

Elena's other brother graduated Ivy League and went into working in the NYC Transit system where he was... and maybe still is....very active in the Transit Workers Union.

First brother, by contrast, is not active at all....AFAIK ... in the teachers union. Go figure.

I think all the Kagans went to your HS.... but I'm a little hazy on that.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
21. Irving the teacher did
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:11 PM
Oct 2014

He teaches at Hunter which is where we went. Don't know the other brother at all. Her mom taught at Hunter elementary school.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
14. I was going to vote for him after he eased the quarantine rules
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:41 PM
Oct 2014

But with this and the self serving joke that people in isolation should read his book to pass the time, I'm once again thinking I'll vote green.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
20. Interesting thread in the NYS Forum....
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:59 PM
Oct 2014

re. the Green challenge.

Watch the Brian Jones tape, esp. In fact, I think I'll post it here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/106819945

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
22. Thanks
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:18 PM
Oct 2014

Got to go to sleep will try to remember to watch it another time. Sorry Hawkins is such a poor candidate re being media savvy. Makes me less inclined to waste a vote on him.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
16. Public Education is a Public Utility--Everyone pays for it, everyone can use it
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:05 PM
Oct 2014

Only elitest snobs feel the need for a private education over a good public school.

Of course, good public schools have been trashed by the educational idiots inside and out of the schoolyard, so there it is. Another broken promise, another part of the American Dream for all people trashed for private gains.

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