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progree

(10,901 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:30 PM Apr 2020

Methane Emissions Hit a New Record and Scientists Can't Say Why, Bloomberg, 4/6/20

Methane Emissions Hit a New Record and Scientists Can’t Say Why, Bloomberg, 4/6/20

Airborne methane levels rose markedly last year, according to a preliminary estimate published today by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ((NOAA)). The results show a dramatic leap in concentration of the second most-powerful greenhouse gas, which is emitted from both industrial and natural sources.

“Last year’s jump in methane is one of the biggest we’ve seen over the past twenty years,” said Rob Jackson, professor of Earth system science at Stanford University and chair of the Global Carbon Project. “It’s too early to say why, but increases from both agriculture and natural gas use are likely. Natural gas consumption surged more than two percent last year.”

Methane levels have accelerated twice in the last 15 years, first in 2007 and again in 2014. Scientists have yet to pinpoint the exact cause (or causes). Virtually every contributor to the global methane problem may play a role, from the oil-and-gas industry to human agriculture to wetlands changing with the climate.

Methane is about 25 times more powerful a heat-trapping gas than its nearest competitor—carbon dioxide—when extrapolated over the course of a century.
More: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/methane-emissions-hit-record-scientists-213421592.html


The fucking article never says how much the methane concentration rose, other than "a dramatic leap".

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This from the Hill
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/491424-2019-atmospheric-methane-increase-greatest-in-five-years

The average level of methane in the atmosphere increased last year by the highest amount in five years, according to preliminary data released Sunday.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) found that the average level of methane in the atmosphere increased by 11.54 parts per billion (ppb) in 2019 over the level of methane in the atmosphere in 2018.

This is the largest increase since 2014, when the average level of atmospheric methane increased by 12.72 ppb.

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The apparent source report from NOAA, last updated April 5
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/

December 2019: 1874.7 ppb
December 2018: 1866.0 ppb
+8.7
+0.466% increase

But that's not the official annual increase -- on the left side is a table with a 11.54 ppb increase in 2019 (matching the Hill's article), which is a whole year average rather than a December over December figure.

I think the "unc" in that table stands for uncertainty.




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Methane Emissions Hit a New Record and Scientists Can't Say Why, Bloomberg, 4/6/20 (Original Post) progree Apr 2020 OP
Trump's been doing more rallies. TreasonousBastard Apr 2020 #1
Beat me to it! 2naSalit Apr 2020 #2
Yeah, Newest Reality Apr 2020 #3
This is my guess Finishline42 Apr 2020 #16
Globally, IEA is only projecting "as much as" a 20% drop in oil demand "may be lost" progree Apr 2020 #17
This year should go to zero jimfields33 Apr 2020 #4
Huh? What's gone or going to zero? progree Apr 2020 #5
Carbon output jimfields33 Apr 2020 #6
Carbon output is zero? Where do you get your statistics? progree Apr 2020 #7
If nobody in the world is doing anything literally jimfields33 Apr 2020 #8
Nobody in the world is doing anything literally? progree Apr 2020 #10
I just thought that we had a certain time left to fix things jimfields33 Apr 2020 #12
I'd guess probably not that much extra time, but add on a multiyear global recession, progree Apr 2020 #13
It's complicated to me jimfields33 Apr 2020 #14
Thanks for the kind and kinder-than-deserved words... progree Apr 2020 #15
Unfortunately, no - March 2020 414.50 ppm, March 2019 411.97 ppm hatrack Apr 2020 #18
Given that 2019 CO2 EMISSIONS were only 0.6% above 2018 emissions, I'm hopeful 2020 will progree Apr 2020 #19
You're still using electricity posting here NickB79 Apr 2020 #20
Holy cow. You are right. Didn't think of those. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #21
Trump sure is running his mouth a lot every day, a lore more than normal. Jamastiene Apr 2020 #9
Ok, who farted?........... really though... where is the leak? Where is the concentration? nt mitch96 Apr 2020 #11

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. Yeah,
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:40 PM
Apr 2020

What's with that?

Gee, have they considered environmental sources like the permafrost melting, etc?

One small fart for man, a GIANT LEAP for methane?

Finishline42

(1,091 posts)
16. This is my guess
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:41 AM
Apr 2020

Permafrost was/is a huge carbon trap. Arctic temps are up by a lot and that's releasing a lot of methane.

The lack of a drop in CO2 is puzzling though.

Pollution is way down, air travel is down, traffic is almost non-existent.

I looked a bit and couldn't find how much less gas we as a nation have been using in the last month, I would think in the range of 20-30% less?

Diesel is probably constant because of trucks.

progree

(10,901 posts)
17. Globally, IEA is only projecting "as much as" a 20% drop in oil demand "may be lost"
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:51 AM
Apr 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127137108 (New York Times citing IEA)
As much as 20 percent, or 20 million barrels a day, of oil demand may be lost as the global economy slows, according to the International Energy Agency. That is roughly equivalent to eliminating all U.S. consumption.


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I looked a bit and couldn't find how much less gas we as a nation have been using in the last month, I would think in the range of 20-30% less?


Twin Cities traffic is down 70% from this time a year ago. Coincidentally, Metro Transit (Twin Cities public transit) bus ridership is down 70%, though they have reduced their service by about 40%.

So yeah, I'm surprised too that there isn't more of a drop.

An IEA article I just ran across said 3 billion people are on some kind of lockdown.

jimfields33

(15,759 posts)
4. This year should go to zero
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:42 PM
Apr 2020

I’m looking forward to seeing if this has fixed the climate change problem. We wanted a certain percent decreased. Instead we have a 100 percent decrease. Our climate change models have to be completely readjusted. This much decrease in carbon has to be a whole new ballgame.

progree

(10,901 posts)
5. Huh? What's gone or going to zero?
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:50 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe a 0% increase in 2020 over 2019, I haven't seen any estimates. I read an article about 2 weeks ago that says the change in atmospheric CO2 concentration is imperceptible. A temporary shutdown don't solve the climate problem.

jimfields33

(15,759 posts)
8. If nobody in the world is doing anything literally
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:56 PM
Apr 2020

Then common sense says carbon will decrease. I mean if we can’t get it down now. When can we. It just makes sense.

progree

(10,901 posts)
10. Nobody in the world is doing anything literally?
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:59 PM
Apr 2020

I do agree that carbon emissions are very likely down in March 2020 over March 2019 for example, and similarly April will almost certainly be lower than April 2019, and probably likewise for at least another month or two ... and there is obviously a reduction in economic activity

But a temporary shutdown is solving the world's climate problem?

jimfields33

(15,759 posts)
12. I just thought that we had a certain time left to fix things
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 06:02 PM
Apr 2020

Some say 12 years, wouldn’t this extend it out some at least? Maybe 15 years?

progree

(10,901 posts)
13. I'd guess probably not that much extra time, but add on a multiyear global recession,
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 06:13 PM
Apr 2020

which is high probability in my mind, and yeah, maybe we'd have 3+ extra years before we reach X degrees than we would have had with a normal economy.

jimfields33

(15,759 posts)
14. It's complicated to me
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 06:15 PM
Apr 2020

Glad we have people like you and others who understand this better. DU is a treasure for me. I’ve learned so much already.

progree

(10,901 posts)
15. Thanks for the kind and kinder-than-deserved words...
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 06:25 PM
Apr 2020

I haven't seen anything about how much this is affecting CO2 emissions, other than a 2 week ago article saying the effect so far on global CO2 concentration is imperceptible.. but that was early-on ... and U.S. GDP 2nd quarter estimates for a decline of like 24% in GDP on an annualized basis compared to Q1 (which means a roughly 6% drop of Q2 over Q1, meaning we will still have 94% of the economic activity in Q2 as we did in Q1 if the estimate turns out to be correct ... and as improbable as that sounds ... maybe those estimates were assuming everything is up and humming by late April or May 1 ... and that's just the U.S., I haven't seen any numbers for world GDP )

P.S. we'll have the first estimate of Q1 GDP on April 29.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
18. Unfortunately, no - March 2020 414.50 ppm, March 2019 411.97 ppm
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 08:04 AM
Apr 2020

It would pretty much have to be the Zombie Apocalypse to substantially knock down the momentum of carbon in the system, and we're not there.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

progree

(10,901 posts)
19. Given that 2019 CO2 EMISSIONS were only 0.6% above 2018 emissions, I'm hopeful 2020 will
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 08:24 AM
Apr 2020

actually show a decline in emissions. But I'm under no illusion that the CO2 atmospheric concentration (ppm) is going to drop.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emissions

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
20. You're still using electricity posting here
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 08:55 PM
Apr 2020

Heating or cooling your house.

Eating farmed food, delivered with fossil fuels.

Driving to buy essentials.

The world hasn't stopped burning fossil fuels. If it had, a few billion of us would be starving and rioting by now, with the rest soon to follow.

We've reduced consumption, but not anywhere close to zero out our emissions.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
9. Trump sure is running his mouth a lot every day, a lore more than normal.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 05:57 PM
Apr 2020

All of the Republicans are constantly running their mouths right now. Just saying.

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