Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumfor ice-watchers keeping score at home:
http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/arctic-storm-part-3-detachment.html
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)I'm enthralled. It feels like 2007 all over again!
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)but, for me at least, this was new information. "The Great Arctic Ice Cyclone of 2012" Wow!
The link explains that the chart shows "The sea ice extent chart from the Danish Meteorological Institute."
Thanks, phantom. And if you're a smart, reality-based expert on some technical subject, please do posts like this.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)A probable new record ice cover low, and one that may smash the 2007 record low. Massive methane releases from permafrost thaw. A reconfiguration of the jet stream, implicated in this year's heat waves and drought, which may be permanent due to the changes in ice cover. Greenland's albedo dropping like a stone.
I don't pay a lot of attention, but to my knowledge the MSM isn't covering any of this. But it's the olympics, and Willard's still arguing about his tax forms, and shark week, and shit.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)You know, if we are going down, the media won't tell us about it if some starlet is cheating on her boyfriend or whatever at the same time, that's the important stuff don't you know?
I dunno, maybe it's better not knowing.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)A lot of that depends on whether you think it can be fixed, or if knowing would change your behavior in positive ways.
I used to give Peak Oil talks, with some broader collapse issues factored in. But I found that most people didn't find "Quick, wake up and kiss your children goodbye!" to be a very helpful message. Most people are really doing the best they can with what they have, and screwing up their peace of mind to no good purpose isn't very kind.
I don't think things can be fixed, so I don't give talks like that any more. Nowadays I mostly watch in amazement and whisper, "Holy shit, look at that!" to myself.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)is "Arctic summer storm John Galt."
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Derecho Howard Roark
Drought Ayn Rand
Superstorm Dagny Taggart
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)You BAAAAAD.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)And then in about a week it will have a bunch of wind blowing it all out into the atlantic.
like if you take the cover off the blender, except you forgot to turn it off:
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)But at least it's a happy song!
phantom power
(25,966 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Holy fuck.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Rob Dekker's post dated August 10, 2012 at 10:12 is pretty remarkable.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)and the anomaly is -2.306.
It's hard not to remember that virtually all the "red" that was left on this date in 2007 was going to melt.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html