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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:17 PM Aug 2012

for ice-watchers keeping score at home:

The Arctic summer storm - which perhaps will be known as the Great Arctic Cyclone of 2012, time will tell - is slowly falling apart, losing its strength and position. It still remains to be seen what the total effect of this storm will be on the sea ice. There's the churning, the transport, the waves, the Ekman pumping, but at the same time spreading of the pack that could cause rapid refreeze between floes when temps fall, and it's not entirely clear to me yet what the effect of this storm will be on air temperatures, which are now slowly coming into play and have a role in determining the end of the melting season, marked by the minimum size the sea ice cover reaches. Still a few weeks to go before that happens.

http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/arctic-storm-part-3-detachment.html



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for ice-watchers keeping score at home: (Original Post) phantom power Aug 2012 OP
Whoof! GliderGuider Aug 2012 #1
I love this kind of post! Political posts are OK... philly_bob Aug 2012 #2
several remarkable things are going on up in the arctic phantom power Aug 2012 #3
Nothing to see here, move along. Denninmi Aug 2012 #5
Is it better not knowing? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #6
Ahem... the name of the storm XemaSab Aug 2012 #4
there is a rich vein that could be mined here phantom power Aug 2012 #7
There's apparently a dipole anomaly ramping up XemaSab Aug 2012 #8
You no give linky? Systematic Chaos Aug 2012 #9
Just because I was shamed into it: XemaSab Aug 2012 #10
that's neat. So right now the entire arctic ocean is in a big swirly blender: phantom power Aug 2012 #11
The one and only thing that is stuck in my head as I look at those plots.... Systematic Chaos Aug 2012 #12
our ice cap is melting but we'll always have 70s jazz flute phantom power Aug 2012 #13
. XemaSab Aug 2012 #14
Are you fucking kidding me? joshcryer Aug 2012 #15
It's going to be 2.3, and you can take that to the bank XemaSab Aug 2012 #16
There is serious wailing and gnashing of teeth in the blog today XemaSab Aug 2012 #17
Their hair is on fire on the next page as well: GliderGuider Aug 2012 #18
right then phantom power Aug 2012 #19
lots of talk about methane. lots and lots... phantom power Aug 2012 #20
So we lost 140,000 sqkm yesterday XemaSab Aug 2012 #21

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
2. I love this kind of post! Political posts are OK...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:04 PM
Aug 2012

but, for me at least, this was new information. "The Great Arctic Ice Cyclone of 2012" Wow!

The link explains that the chart shows "The sea ice extent chart from the Danish Meteorological Institute."

Thanks, phantom. And if you're a smart, reality-based expert on some technical subject, please do posts like this.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
3. several remarkable things are going on up in the arctic
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:21 PM
Aug 2012

A probable new record ice cover low, and one that may smash the 2007 record low. Massive methane releases from permafrost thaw. A reconfiguration of the jet stream, implicated in this year's heat waves and drought, which may be permanent due to the changes in ice cover. Greenland's albedo dropping like a stone.

I don't pay a lot of attention, but to my knowledge the MSM isn't covering any of this. But it's the olympics, and Willard's still arguing about his tax forms, and shark week, and shit.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
5. Nothing to see here, move along.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:36 PM
Aug 2012

You know, if we are going down, the media won't tell us about it if some starlet is cheating on her boyfriend or whatever at the same time, that's the important stuff don't you know?

I dunno, maybe it's better not knowing.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
6. Is it better not knowing?
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 03:19 PM
Aug 2012

A lot of that depends on whether you think it can be fixed, or if knowing would change your behavior in positive ways.

I used to give Peak Oil talks, with some broader collapse issues factored in. But I found that most people didn't find "Quick, wake up and kiss your children goodbye!" to be a very helpful message. Most people are really doing the best they can with what they have, and screwing up their peace of mind to no good purpose isn't very kind.

I don't think things can be fixed, so I don't give talks like that any more. Nowadays I mostly watch in amazement and whisper, "Holy shit, look at that!" to myself.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
7. there is a rich vein that could be mined here
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 03:37 PM
Aug 2012

Derecho Howard Roark
Drought Ayn Rand
Superstorm Dagny Taggart

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
11. that's neat. So right now the entire arctic ocean is in a big swirly blender:
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:22 PM
Aug 2012




And then in about a week it will have a bunch of wind blowing it all out into the atlantic.

like if you take the cover off the blender, except you forgot to turn it off:


Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
12. The one and only thing that is stuck in my head as I look at those plots....
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:33 PM
Aug 2012


But at least it's a happy song!

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
21. So we lost 140,000 sqkm yesterday
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
Aug 2012

and the anomaly is -2.306.

It's hard not to remember that virtually all the "red" that was left on this date in 2007 was going to melt.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html



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