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limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:51 PM Jan 2013

Bill McKibben: Obama Versus Physics

...Unless you understand these distinctions you don’t understand climate change -- and it’s not at all clear that President Obama understands them.

That’s why his administration is sometimes peeved when they don’t get the credit they think they deserve for tackling the issue in his first term in office. The measure they point to most often is the increase in average mileage for automobiles, which will slowly go into effect over the next decade.

It’s precisely the kind of gradual transformation that people -- and politicians -- like. We should have adopted it long ago (and would have, except that it challenged the power of Detroit and its unions, and so both Republicans and Democrats kept it at bay). But here’s the terrible thing: it’s no longer a measure that impresses physics. After all, physics isn’t kidding around or negotiating. While we were discussing whether climate change was even a permissible subject to bring up in the last presidential campaign, it was melting the Arctic. If we’re to slow it down, we need to be cutting emissions globally at a sensational rate, by something like 5% a year to make a real difference...

For Obama, faced with a Congress bought off by the fossil fuel industry, a realistic approach would be to do absolutely everything he could on his own authority -- new Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations, for example; and of course, he should refuse to grant the permit for the building of the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, something that requires no permission from John Boehner or the rest of Congress.
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http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175634/tomgram%3A_bill_mckibben,_time_is_not_on_our_side/
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limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
1. A somewhat shorter edited version of this piece also appeared in the LA Times
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jan 2013
It's not at all clear that President Obama understands this.

That's why his administration is sometimes peeved when they don't get the credit they think they deserve for tackling the issue in his first term in office. The measure they point to most often is the increase in average mileage for automobiles, which will slowly go into effect over the next decade.

That's precisely the kind of gradual transformation that people — and politicians — like. But physics isn't impressed. If we're to slow the pace of climate change we need to cut emissions globally at a sensational rate, by something like 5% a year.

It's not Obama's fault that that's not happening. He can't force it to happen, especially with Congress so deeply in debt to the fossil fuel industry. But he should at least be doing absolutely everything he can on his own authority. That might include new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, for example. And he could refuse to grant the permit for the building of the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline.

via http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mckibben-climate-20130106,0,6917040.story

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
3. Maybe he was trying to be balanced or something.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jan 2013

Maybe in the past, like the 1980s or something, the UAW sided with the Big 3 auto makers on this issue. My memory is kind of fuzzy from that decade and the internet doesn't go back that far. It's kind of understandable though that they would have lobbied against something that could threaten their jobs.

But in recent years I think maybe they have switched sides, especially since Obama has been in, and after the bailouts.

I don't know but the rest of the article was pretty decent. Thanks for the point.


Here is an article from December 2007
UAW Supports Major Boost in Fuel Economy Standards
http://archive.truthout.org/article/uaw-supports-major-boost-fuel-economy-standards

pscot

(21,024 posts)
4. Do you really believe that when the issue is jobs vs the environment
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:16 AM
Jan 2013

unions come down on the side of the environment? Get a grip!

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
5. Strong support from labor unions
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:23 AM
Jan 2013

Last July, the White House announced a plan to increase fuel efficiency from 21 mpg today to 54.5 mpg by 2025. The targets, which would spur new manufacturing activity in America’s auto sector, had strong support from labor unions and most major auto manufacturers. Over the life of the program, the cumulative savings would be more than a trillion and a half dollars, according to the Obama Administration.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/04/20/468297/a-real-solution-to-high-gas-prices-new-fuel-economy-standards-could-save-consumers-68-billion-by-2030/?mobile=wp

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
7. Today (or last July)? Yes. In the timescale being referenced? Don't make me laugh.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:00 AM
Jan 2013

>> We should have adopted it long ago (and would have, except that it challenged the
>> power of Detroit and its unions, and so both Republicans and Democrats kept it at bay).

The idea of the car industry - management or unions - being in favour of significant
fuel efficiency laws at that time is somewhere between an urban myth and an outright
attempt to re-write history.

McKibben is right on that and on his more important point about the physics trumping
the politics.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
6. UAW Environmental Flyer
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:28 AM
Jan 2013

Many labor unions would show their support of Earth Day and become important constituencies in the modern environmental movement. The UAW led the pack.

By 1970 the UAW already had made a well-established commitment to the cause. After hosting a major conference on water quality, United Action for Clean Water, in 1965, the UAW added a permanent Conservation and Resource Development Department to "make common cause" with other groups and the union. Not only did the CRD department lobby—as this document boasts—to limit industrial effluence and ban DDT and tainted food, but department director Olga Madar (pictured in the document) even appeared on Capitol Hill to endorse better fuel economy for automobiles—a demand that would ostensibly threaten the jobs of UAW members.

http://nelsonearthday.net/collection/coalition-uawflyer.htm

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nelsonearthday.net%2Fcollection%2Fdiverse-coalition%2Fnelson_47-26_uaw_env_flyer.pdf&ei=mLjqULTNNYia0QHXpIHQBg&usg=AFQjCNFZwSv643tk3O-qDn9VlIaaCIyY-g&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.dmQ

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
9. Thanks for hunting this down PADem
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jan 2013

It's an an important point.

Beyond that bit, the rest of that opinion piece from McKibben was pretty good.

One thing I can think of is that in the 1980s or 1990s the UAW might have lobbied to keep (better fuel economy) Japanese imports out of the US, for understandable reasons.

These days it's clear that the UAW has been on board with better fuel economy for quite a while.

Omaha Steve

(99,590 posts)
12. "challenged the power of Detroit and its unions"???
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jan 2013

The UAW couldn't even keep right to work out of the State of Michigan.

Somebody isn't paying attention.

Omaha Steve

(99,590 posts)
13. Environmental regulations CREATE jobs!!!
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jan 2013

And always have! New EPA clean water regulations means billions in new construction around the country. Omaha's project alone will cost close to 3 BILLION. Over 100 cities and towns are upgrading. That is one hell of a lot of jobs. These new regulations came from the W administration by the way.

4th paragraph: http://www.omaha.com/article/20120823/NEWS0802/708239986/1677

The plan was developed by people in city government and in the engineering field. We don’t question their professionalism, but we’re not confident that “What can Omaha taxpayers afford?” was their prime directive. Initially presented to the public as a $1.5 billion project, the plan’s true cost may be twice that amount. The estimate creeps up to possibly $3 billion because of financing costs over 45 years.

Tell me again with a straight face labor doesn't back regulations that create jobs.

And this:





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