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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:41 AM Mar 2013

"if society seriously aspires to be anti-carbon, it also needs to be seriously pro-nuclear"

That quote appeared in this WP article published on Monday.

In U.S., nuclear energy loses momentum amid economic head winds, safety issues
By Steven Mufson,


...Only five years ago, industry executives and leading politicians were talking about an American nuclear renaissance, hoping to add 20 or more reactors to the 104-unit U.S. nuclear fleet.

But today those companies are holding back in the face of falling natural gas prices and sluggish and uncertain electricity demand. Only five new plants are under construction, while at least that many are slated for permanent closure or shut down indefinitely over safety issues.

On Monday, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) reiterated its refusal to issue a license for a new unit at Calvert Cliffs, Md., that a French company had hoped to make the model for a fleet of reactors. A pair of reactors in Southern California are under scrutiny over whether a major contractor and a utility there concealed concerns about potential cracks in the tubes of a steam generator. And nuclear plants in Wisconsin and Florida are closing down because their owners said they cannot compete with less expensive natural-gas-fired electricity.

Industry officials still make the case for nuclear as a domestic source of energy that does not emit greenhouse gases. “Anyone concerned about global warming should acknowledge that if society seriously aspires to be anti-carbon, it also needs to be seriously pro-nuclear,” Thomas F. Farrell, chief executive of Dominion Resources, said at a recent conference in Washington sponsored by the industry newsletter Platts....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/2013/03/11/fb6d61c2-715e-11e2-ac36-3d8d9dcaa2e2_story.html?hpid=z1


Because it reflects a constant and false refrain we hear from the nuclear industry, this paragraph jumped out at me:
"Industry officials still make the case for nuclear as a domestic source of energy that does not emit greenhouse gases. “Anyone concerned about global warming should acknowledge that if society seriously aspires to be anti-carbon, it also needs to be seriously pro-nuclear,”"


That quote, as you can see, was from Dominion Resources CEO Thomas F. Farrell. What do we know about Dominion? Well, among other things Wiki has this to say:
46 percent of Dominion's total electric production comes from coal, 41 percent comes from nuclear power, 9 percent comes from natural gas, 1 percent comes from oil, and the remaining 3 percent comes from Hydro and other renewables. Renewable energy sources, primarily wind and biomass, and conservation and efficiency programs will play an increasingly important role in meeting future energy needs and minimizing the company’s environmental footprint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Resources

46 percent coal
41 percent nuclear power
9 percent natural gas
1 percent oil



Nuclear power is not a threat to coal - it is a means of preserving the energy economy favoring coal in a world moving to an energy economy favoring small scale distributed renewables.

Dominion's bread and butter, now and into the future, are coal (both mining and burning), natural gas fracking and distributing, and nuclear power plant operations. You can see their attempt to play on climate change worries while maintaining a set of operating assets that preserve their dominant market position based on fossil fuels. It's almost funny that the wiki section quoted devotes half of the text to using 3% of their generating assets to show what great folks they are and how much they care about the company's environmental footprint.

Their PR flacks can't rewrite Sourcewatch so you might want to scan their content on Dominion.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dominion
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"if society seriously aspires to be anti-carbon, it also needs to be seriously pro-nuclear" (Original Post) kristopher Mar 2013 OP
... Scuba Mar 2013 #1
Thanks. kristopher Jul 2013 #2
4 million km^2. joshcryer Jul 2013 #3
Existing brownfield sites provide enough space to meet our needs with solar kristopher Jul 2013 #4
Doesn't change my statement. joshcryer Jul 2013 #6
Yes, you are "for it" kristopher Jul 2013 #7
Grid upgrades are required anyway FogerRox Jul 2013 #9
You're right, I meant grid expansion. joshcryer Jul 2013 #10
Foster’s Solar-Skinned Buildings Signal Market Tripling: Energy kristopher Jul 2013 #5
No Free Sun for You! Why Arizona Wants to ‘Tax’ Solar Power kristopher Jul 2013 #8

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. Thanks.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:35 AM
Jul 2013

That's a good study. And it doesn't count onshore wind, offshore wind, all types of hydro, all types of geothermal, and biomass - all of which represent massive undeveloped resources.

Link to download the study: http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/51946.pdf

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
3. 4 million km^2.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jul 2013

Of which at minimum 1 million km^2 would have to be located in deserted areas / wildlife land.

I'm not saying I'm against it, I'm all for it, just that one should realize the impact it would have on the landscape, and accept it, not hide from it.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. Existing brownfield sites provide enough space to meet our needs with solar
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:20 AM
Jul 2013

That doesn't include residential, commercial or industrial rooftops.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
6. Doesn't change my statement.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:45 AM
Jul 2013

But it's a cute justification for not making them greenfields.

Oh, and the whole, grid upgrades that will be necessary.

Again, I'm all for it. Just realize the consequences. Yaknow, such as justifying leaving brownfields industrial wastelands.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
9. Grid upgrades are required anyway
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jul 2013

due to increased capacity, and some of the grid is old, 70+ years old. And since the cost to install HVDC has dropped over 15 years, it is now economical to to use HVDC for long distance transmission just based on lowering the transmission loss of 7% for AC to 3% from DC.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
10. You're right, I meant grid expansion.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jul 2013

Upgrades are definitely necessary but expansion is not, necessarily, unless you need to put lines to places where the wind blows and the sun shines.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. Foster’s Solar-Skinned Buildings Signal Market Tripling: Energy
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:26 AM
Jul 2013
Foster’s Solar-Skinned Buildings Signal Market Tripling: Energy
By Louise Downing - Jul 23, 2013 4:59 AM ET

From stadiums in Brazil to a bank headquarters in Britain, architects led by Norman Foster are integrating solar cells into the skin of buildings, helping the market for the technology triple within two years.

Sun-powered systems will top the stadiam hosting 2014 FIFA World Cup football in Brazil. In Manchester, northern England, the Co-operative Group Ltd. office has cells from Solar Century Holdings Ltd. clad into its vertical surfaces.

...The projects mark an effort by designers to adopt building-integrated photovoltaics, or BIPV, where the power-generating features are planned from the start instead of tacked on as an afterthought. Foster and his customers are seeking to produce eye-catching works while meeting a European Union directive that new buildings should produce next to zero emissions after 2020.

“Building integrated solar in office buildings and factories which generate energy consistently during daylight hours, whilst not requiring additional expensive land space or unsightly installations, is seen as the most obvious energy solution,” said Gavin Rezos, principal of Viaticus Capital Ltd., an Australian corporate advisory company that’s one of the private equity funds putting money into the technology.

...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-22/foster-s-solar-skinned-buildings-signal-market-tripling-energy.html

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
8. No Free Sun for You! Why Arizona Wants to ‘Tax’ Solar Power
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jul 2013
No Free Sun for You! Why Arizona Wants to ‘Tax’ Solar Power
A new proposal would slap existing solar-paneled homeowners with a fee of up to $100 per month for the privilege of selling excess power back to the grid.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/07/19/solar-energy-arizona-net-metering
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