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Related: About this forumIs climate change already dangerous?
Here is an excellent overview of the current climate situation, with special attention paid to feedback mechanisms. Written by David Spratt of Climate Code Red.
This science survey measures the current manifestations and impacts of climate change against the "safe boundaries" metric; surveys the literature on tipping points and non-linear climate events; and provides a detail study of significant recent events in the Arctic.
Three big questions are asked and answered:
- Is climate change dangerous for just the current increase in global temperature?
- Is climate change dangerous for the further increases in temperature already implied by the current level of greenhouse gases?
- By looking at events in climate history where greenhouse gas levels were similar to today, can further light be shone on the "already dangerous" question?
In a concluding section, this report argues that with clear evidence that climate change is already dangerous, we are in an emergency and face " an unavoidably radical future". And we know from past experience that societies, once in emergency mode, are capable of facing up to and solving seemingly impossible problems.
It's definitely worth reading the 23 page PDF: http://www.scribd.com/doc/168483927/Already-Dangerous-1
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)3 F4 tornadoes in Oklahoma in a month and now Colorado flooding! Of course our illustrious Senator thinks it is a myth, but most of the educated population of Oklahoma doesn't agree.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)NickB79
(19,233 posts)"The Earth will be fine; it's the people who are fucked."
Of course the planet itself will still be here a million years from now, with all sorts of new species of plants and animals repopulating it once the current mass extinction event we've kicked off has run it's course. In the long term, the planet and the biosphere will sort itself out like it always has.
It's the short term that's the problem, because we and our descendents have to figure out a way to get through it. The truth is that, in a 4C warmer world, most of us and our descendents simply WON'T be making it through.
In my mind, I have a mental image of a couple of dinosaurs watching the asteroid impact 65 million years ago, and one says to the other "Asteroid impacts have been happening for billions of years before dinosaurs came around, whats' the problem now?"
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)You know, the ones who lost their families and their homes in the recent floods?
pscot
(21,024 posts)and put in every mailbox on the planet
phantom power
(25,966 posts)except everybody goes to hell, without dying.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Nice shot!
pscot
(21,024 posts)finesse that aspect; or better, use it. You can only be saved through climate action. Hell is for skeptics and deniers. Cleaning your solar panels is a sacrament. I'll personally script the one where Jim Inhofe roasts on a griddle.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)hatrack
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CRH
(1,553 posts)the much touted 2*C level will be very dangerous, not just for the storms, and droughts, but the disruption of agricultural and social order as well. At 2*C I think we will see the beginning of human migrations impacting communities, infrastructure repairs will be constant on state and national levels, and food to the market and the global grain stores will begin to falter. That so many still cling to 2*C is safe, is telling.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Especially if they're some of the people who "stand in the doorway, and block up the hall" in the words of Bob Dylan. Admitting that one has helped fuck over an entire planet must be pretty hard on the soul. So they cling and deny, deny and cling. Rinse, lather, repeat.
The times they are a-changin'.
CRH
(1,553 posts)CRH
(1,553 posts)have in common with the author of this article, David Spratt of Climate Code Red
Dr. Tim Lenton University of Exeter
Professor Will Steffen - Australian Climate Commissioner
Dr. Seymour Laxon- Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling, University College London
Professor Carlos Duarte - Director of University of WA's Oceans Institute
Dr. Mark Serreze - Director of the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre
Professor Peter Wadhams - Cambridge University and the Catlin Arctic Survey
Dr James Hansen - former NASA climate research chief
Glaciologist Jason Box - as quoted from Goldenberg, 2012
Researchers Celia Bitz and Philippe Ciais - both with peer reviewed papers
Kevin Anderson - Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research
Alice Bows - Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research
~~ None of the above believe the arbitrary bench mark of 2*C global mean temperature rise above the pre industrial level when the atmosphere was near 280 ppm CO2, is a safe level.
All of the above and their published research, have allowed David Spratt to form the conclusions of this paper.
The 2*C benchmark was set by politicians controlling the IPCC process and reports, not the scientists. Over the years the 2*C level has assumed a relevance not supported by peer review. The IPCC solutions (pathways) have been molded around, political whim.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> The 2*C benchmark was set by politicians controlling the IPCC process
> and reports, not the scientists.
> The IPCC solutions (pathways) have been molded around, political whim.
Expect the same watering-down and delaying tactics for the next IPCC report,
and the next, and the next ...
Gotta feed those stock options and cash them before the real price tag becomes
widely known ...