Japan rises to challenge of becoming ‘hydrogen society’

[nationalize the fed]

Hydrogen viewed as key to energy needs after Fukushima
Kazuaki Nagata, Japantimes Oct 12, 2014

Since the 2011 onset of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, Japan has had to drastically revise an energy policy that had long heralded atomic power as its main source of energy.

The new energy policy announced in April outlines plans to decrease Japan’s nuclear dependence as much as possible, while boosting renewable energy sources.

At the same time, it also says the government will promote the use of hydrogen to pave the way for a “hydrogen society.”



“Hydrogen, which can achieve high energy efficiency, low environmental burden and capability for emergency use, provided appropriate usage, is expected to play a central role as a secondary energy source,” the government’s policy report said...

...The hydrogen white paper thus says Japan should obtain the gas from water using electrolysis...MORE
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/10/12/national/japan-rises-challenge-becoming-hydrogen-society/

The US can watch, but it's paying more attention to bombing civilians. "Out of sight, out of mind". Meanwhile, Joe Biden's son Hunter is looking for more ways to "help" fracking in Ukraine.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Bad graphic, missing most important part: Source of Energy-- Nuclear? Wind? Coal? Petroleum?

More hydrogen claptrap.

EVs and a robust grid including distributed generation is what will work in the US.

BTW, what works for Japan isn't necessarily what works for the US.

[nationalize the fed]

2. "Hydrogen Claptrap"

LOL

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

I noticed you (and everyone else) completely ignored This Thread. Why is that?

Grand Coalition to expand network of GREEN hydrogen fueling stations in Germany
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112776057

Automaker Daimler and industrial gases giant The Linde Group are teaming with oil & gas companies Total, OMV, Avia and Hoyer to significantly increase the number of hydrogen fueling stations in Germany. The initiative will implement 13 new refueling locations by the end of 2015, and secure sustainable sourcing of ‘green’ hydrogen



...Linde already secures half of the hydrogen for existing CEP fueling stations from ‘green’ sources, and it will power the 20 new stations with fully renewable hydrogen.

The green hydrogen is obtained from crude glycerol – a by-product of biodiesel production – at a dedicated pilot plant at the Linde gases centre in Leuna. The certified green hydrogen obtained in this way produces far fewer greenhouse gas emissions than conventional methods.

Linde also has other sustainable sources at its disposal, like bio natural gas and water electrolysis using wind-generated electricity, for example as part of the H2BER project...
MORE: http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/40276/grand-coalition-to-expand-network-of-hydrogen-fueling-stations-in-germany/

and you ignore this:

and this:

Aberdeen hydrogen refuelling station marks UK first

The UK's first fully integrated hydrogen production and refuelling station specifically designed to service Europe's largest fleet of hydrogen powered buses is to be built in Aberdeen...

...the bus project will deliver a hydrogen infrastructure in Aberdeen. This will include the production of hydrogen from a 1MW electrolyser in the new facility at Kittybrewster and the establishment of Scotland's first commercial scale hydrogen refuelling system, which will include hydrogen production through electrolysis, in partnership with BOC...MORE

http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/CouncilNews/ci_cns/pr_hydrogenrefuel_031014.asp

America is full of emotional people that ignore what doesn't reinforce their ignorant beliefs.

It's no wonder why the current generation can't build desalination plants or green hydrogen stations. 50 years ago- To The Moon!
Now: Drone Bomb Civilians! Disgusting.

"Hydrogen Claptrap"- you're a gas. And you will not stop the H2 revolution.

[NickB79]

3. You think German biodiesel is a "green" hydrogen source?

http://www.rtcc.org/2014/03/21/eu-warns-biofuel-carbon-emissions-higher-than-expected/

Or:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7614934/Biofuels-cause-four-times-more-carbon-emissions.html

[NYC_SKP]

5. The H2 fan club seem to ignore that a H2 infrastructure will make us slaves to middlemen.

No different from the current model of fueling required of ICU vehicles.

Sorry, but it's far cheaper to use the grid and power our vehicles with electricity.

BUT WAIT, they'll say... Just install a home electrolysis sytem!

Well, let's see. What will that run on?

[caraher]

7. Ignore?

Or are they part of the club?

I think a clue lies in the resolute refusal of the hydrogen fan club even to address the relative efficiency of charging and discharging a battery compared to the efficiencies of electrolysis and subsequent generation of electricity by fuel cells. It's never a refutation or a "yeah, that's an issue, but..." response, but, at best a cut-n-paste data dump of irrelevancies - and more often, crickets.

[nationalize the fed]

13. Someone that actually knows something can explain it to you

I've never seen anything like this. A bunch of ignorant anonymous clowns on the internet spouting complete and total nonsense over and over and over again.

READ THIS:

Vehicle Tech of the Near Future: What are the (dis)advantages of hydrogen fuel cells versus Lithium-ion batteries, when used on a large (e.g., nationwide) scale?

Charging a battery is a process which converts electrical energy
into chemical energy, and discharging it converts that stored chemical energy back to electrical energy. This process is exactly equivalent (in terms of thermodynamic efficiency) to using electricity to make hydrogen, and then later using that hydrogen to make electricity. The fundamental underlying efficiencies of a BEV compared to an FCV are essentially the same.

The ONLY real difference is that using hydrogen and fuel cells it is possible to transport the chemically-stored energy (in the form of hydrogen gas) about the place, store it in a tank, and rapidly re-fuel a vehicle with it. This is not possible with the contents of a charged battery.

Finally, if you need a greater range with a adequately-powered FCV one need only increase the storage capacity ... add another hydrogen tank or two to the car ... which is far, far more easy to do than to increase the battery capacity by an equivalent factor.

http://www.reddit.com/user/hal2k1

http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2cgpsl/vehicle_tech_of_the_near_future_what_are_the/

Let's hear more insults. You've shown what you are, now crank it up.

[dumbcat]

15. Not true

The fundamental underlying efficiencies of a BEV compared to an FCV are essentially the same.

Not within the existing or projected technology. The concepts of the energy conversion may be "essentially the same" but actually doing it isn't.

[caraher]

16. Wow, some random person on reddit?

I stand corrected... ?

[Nihil]

17. "ignorant anonymous clowns on the internet spouting complete and total nonsense over and over"

I think my irony meter just died.

[madokie]

9. Hot air coming out of their dumb ass mouths I guess

No wonder we can't get past what we're doing now, too many people see too many pies in the skies when there really aren't any

[nationalize the fed]

12. Is this your normal style of "debate"?

"Hot air coming out of their dumb ass mouths I guess"

Nice. No wonder so many Americans have so much trouble with new concepts. They're too busy insulting other people.

I've about had it with this childish bullshit.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Explain home charging, or do we have to go to H2 filling stations?

That's potentially as bad as being slaves to petrol stations.

[nationalize the fed]

11. Honda can explain it

Honda begins experimental operation of next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station for household use.

With the goal of replacing fossil fuels, reducing emissions and combating climate change, Honda has worked proactively to development of fuel cell electric vehicles, which it views as the ultimate clean mobility of the future. Also believing it crucial to eliminate C02 emissions that result from the production, storage and supply of hydrogen fuel, Honda is engaged in the research and development of advanced H2 infrastructure technologies.

Since 2001, Honda has operated an experimental solar-powered water electrolyzing hydrogen station in Los Angeles, California. In January 2010 in the same location, Honda began experimental operation of a next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station that is small enough to fit in a typical household garage. To produce high-pressure hydrogen, the previous station required not only an electrolyzer but also a separate compressor unit. For the next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station, Honda developed a new high-differential pressure electrolyzer that combines electrolysis and compression functions in a single unit.

Since a separate compressor is no longer necessary, the Solar Hydrogen Station is more compact, quieter and lower in cost, making home hydrogen supply a more realistic option going forward. In addition, the new system is 25 percent more efficient than the previous system. Thanks to its enhanced design, the next-generation Solar Hydrogen System can produce 0.5 kg of hydrogen in 8 hours, enough to power the FCX Clarity fuel cell electric vehicle 30 miles...MORE
http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/SolarHydrogenStation/

They just displayed a system at Japans big Consumer Electronic show

Overview of Honda Exhibit at CEATEC JAPAN 2014



TOKYO, Japan, October 2, 2014 - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. announced that it will exhibit a full-scale mockup of the Smart Hydrogen Station (SHS), and the Portable Inverter Box that enables external feeding of electricity from a fuel cell electric vehicle at the CEATEC JAPAN 2014, along with other products and technologies. CEATEC JAPAN will take place at Makuhari Messe in Chiba, Japan from Tuesday, October 7 through Saturday, October 11, 2014...

...Under the theme of “generate,” Honda will exhibit a full-size mockup of the Smart Hydrogen Station (SHS) and provide an easy-to-understand introduction of the system that generates hydrogen. The SHS is equipped with Honda’s original high-pressure water electrolysis system that does not require a compressor. Moreover, the SHS was jointly developed by Honda and Iwatani Corporation as the world’s first hydrogen station where the key components including a high-pressure hydrogen tank and a fueling nozzle are housed in a box-shaped package...
http://world.honda.com/news/2014/c141002CEATEC-JAPAN/index.html

[RiverLover]

14. Great to know Honda is working on this.

Thanks for hanging in there NTF, I'm learning alot from these articles! It's very encouraging, which is nice among all the doom & gloom.

[Kaleva]

4. Michigan has the potential to be a hydrogen powerhouse

Some the best areas in the US to locate wind farms is offshore in Lake Superior, Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. Wind farms that could be used to generate electricity to power production stations that convert water from the Great lakes into hydrogen via electrolysis.

[madokie]

8. Where are they going to get the hydrogen

last I checked there is no hydrogen wells anywhere and to make hydrogen it takes more energy to make it than you get out of it so what the fuck. Well you don't actually make it but you get my drift surely

[nationalize the fed]

10. Anywhere there is water and electricity

if the electricity comes from Solar or Wind it's the greenest fuel on the planet

This book lays it all out.

Solar Hydrogen: Fuel of the Future
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1849731950/

I don't expect anyone here to buy it but I do expect to be able to debate without condescension and little child like name calling-

because I've read it (or 3/4 of it) and spent a lot of time educating myself on this topic of "hydrogen claptrap". Is that too much to ask?