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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:40 PM Feb 2012

Mechanism Behind Capacitor’s High-Speed Energy Storage Discovered

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/ranjanprl/
[font face=Times, Times New Roman, Serif][font size=5]Mechanism Behind Capacitor’s High-Speed Energy Storage Discovered[/font]

Release Date: February 23, 2012

[font size=3]Researchers at North Carolina State University have discovered the means by which a polymer known as PVDF enables capacitors to store and release large amounts of energy quickly. Their findings could lead to much more powerful and efficient electric cars.

Capacitors are like batteries in that they store and release energy. However, capacitors use separated electrical charges, rather than chemical reactions, to store energy. The charged particles enable energy to be stored and released very quickly. Imagine an electric vehicle that can accelerate from zero to 60 miles per hour at the same rate as a gasoline-powered sports car. There are no batteries that can power that type of acceleration because they release their energy too slowly. Capacitors, however, could be up to the job – if they contained the right materials.



In research published in Physical Review Letters, Ranjan, fellow NC State physicist Dr. Jerzy Bernholc and Dr. Marco Buongiorno-Nardelli from the University of North Texas, did computer simulations to see how the atomic structure within the polymer changed when an electric field was applied. Applying an electric field to the polymer causes atoms within it to polarize, which enables the capacitor to store and release energy quickly. They found that when an electrical field was applied to the PVDF mixture, the atoms performed a synchronized dance, flipping from a non-polar to a polar state simultaneously, and requiring a very small electrical charge to do so.



“In the case of the PVDF mixture, the atoms change their state all at once, which means that you get a large amount of energy out of the system at very little cost in terms of what you need to put into it. Hopefully these findings will bring us even closer to developing capacitors that will give electric vehicles the same acceleration capabilities as gasoline engines.”

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Mechanism Behind Capacitor’s High-Speed Energy Storage Discovered (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 OP
A Tesla roadster does 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds. dimbear Feb 2012 #1
That was my first thought Plucketeer Feb 2012 #2
One of my pals had an electric motorcycle. One day the torque dimbear Feb 2012 #3
1/10th scale radio control cars FogerRox Feb 2012 #7
1/10th scale radio control cars FogerRox Feb 2012 #8
The next generation battries Plucketeer Feb 2012 #10
Yes, I had the same thought OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #4
Better yet, the Roadster Sport variant does it in 3.7 seconds. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #5
Wow, they got the science totally wrong in that news article ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #6
Whats worse FogerRox Feb 2012 #9

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
3. One of my pals had an electric motorcycle. One day the torque
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:53 PM
Feb 2012

ripped the rear wheel completely off the hub.

Fierce.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
10. The next generation battries
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:58 PM
Feb 2012

The ones that have yet to be developed - and they WILL be developed - will hail the beginning of the end for gasoline-powered vehicles.

eppur_se_muova

(36,257 posts)
6. Wow, they got the science totally wrong in that news article ...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:42 PM
Feb 2012

I figured PVDF was poly(vinylidene fluoride), and it is. My next thought was that it would only take a rotational or conformational change for PVDF molecules to reverse polarity completely, and that's what the published abstract indicates.

Replace the word "atomic" with the word "molecular", "charge" with "field", and "state" with "conformation" throughout the 3rd and 4th para in the OP, and it makes physical sense. Otherwise, no.

PVDF, when properly processed, is known to be both ferroelectric and piezoelectric, and (presumably) by raising the glass temperature, can be used to make electrets. Presumably, this is why PVDF was originally investigated for supercapacitors in the first place.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
9. Whats worse
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:07 PM
Feb 2012

Current auto technology doesnt need the nearly instantaneous discharge of a capacitor. The electric motors, wiring and control circuits wont handle that.

Ohms law and all that.

CLaiming batter efficiency in cars? WTH no.

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