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Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:46 PM Apr 2015

Reckoning Arrives for Cash-Strapped Oil Firms Amid Bank Squeeze

From Bloomberg Business:

Lenders are preparing to cut the credit lines to a group of junk-rated shale oil companies by as much as 30 percent in the coming days, dealing another blow as they struggle with a slump in crude prices, according to people familiar with the matter.

Sabine Oil & Gas Corp. became one of the first companies to warn investors that it faces a cash shortage from a reduced credit line, saying Tuesday that it raises “substantial doubt” about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern. About 10 firms are having trouble finding backup financing, said the people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be named because the information hasn’t been announced.

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“If they can’t drill, they can’t make money,” said Kristen Campana, a New York-based partner in Bracewell & Giuliani LLP’s finance and financial restructuring groups. “It’s a downward spiral.”


More at the link

Now about those ubiquitous TV adds telling us the U.S. is the new world's leading energy producer...

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Reckoning Arrives for Cash-Strapped Oil Firms Amid Bank Squeeze (Original Post) Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 OP
Okay,yes there will be a flood of Wellstone ruled Apr 2015 #1
In the long run, this is less about the money, Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #2
Sorry... that's incorrect. FBaggins Apr 2015 #3
You are correct Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #4
Oh, wait... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #5
Yes, Peak Oil was a myth FBaggins Apr 2015 #7
All I can say is... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #8
That's not an infrequent malthusian response... FBaggins Apr 2015 #9
What can I say? Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #10
And... there it is! FBaggins Apr 2015 #11
So oil is NOT infinite? Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #12
So... you didn't read post #7? FBaggins Apr 2015 #13
I think we will have to agree to disagree until Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #14
Then "malthusian" shouldn't be taken as a slur FBaggins Apr 2015 #15
I surrender. You win. Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #16
Once you shut in a well, Wellstone ruled Apr 2015 #6
IOW, prepare for long-term volatility, first within the energy sector . . . hatrack Apr 2015 #17
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Okay,yes there will be a flood of
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

Chapter 11's,and it will hit the Hedgies and undoubtably,a hand full of Rich People who needed to be parted from some of their money. You live by Boom you are going to get it in the ass when Mr. Bust comes calling.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
2. In the long run, this is less about the money,
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:12 PM
Apr 2015

and more about all the promised "cornucopia" of oil that won't be pumped like they still keep claiming it will.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
3. Sorry... that's incorrect.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:39 PM
Apr 2015

Drilling firms' economic weakness doesn't have anything to do with the amout of oil/gas that's recoverable with the technological advances of recent years.

The only way that the oil "won't be pumped" is if prices stay low. There's no way to dodge the fact that the "peak oil was yesteday!" myth has been destroyed and the supply curve has clearly shifted.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
4. You are correct
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:51 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not talking from the point of view of those of us who are peak oil aware, but from the perspective of those who aren't paying attention and still believe we can somehow keep up business as usual. I'm talking about the propaganda we get fed on TV about how wonderful it is that the US is the new Saudi America.

However, it is not true that,as you say, "the only way that the oil won't be pumped is if prices stay low". Regardless of the price of oil, if the system itself continues to crumble it won't be possible, economically, technologically, logistically, to continue to pump that oil. Being pretty pessimistic about the future of humanity, I don't expect technological civilization to continue much longer. It didn't really matter to early man how much oil was in reserve under Olduvai Gorge. Before long it won't matter to us how much oil "high technology" can recover, since there will be no high technology, or the economic infrastructure to support it.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
5. Oh, wait...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015

Did I read you correctly that you think peak oil is a myth?

Well, then. In that case, Sorry... that's incorrect.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
7. Yes, Peak Oil was a myth
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

Sorry... I missed this later reply.

To be clearer... what I actually said was that the "peak oil has already come" claims were nonsense. Peak oil as a concept is a truism (that is... oil supplies are finite and there absolutely will come a day when we can no longer produce as much as we did yesterday)... but that isn't what the "peak aware" crowd has been saying for the last couple decades. When we talk about "Peak Oil" (capitals)... we're talking about the claims that the peak occured in 2005 (or would occur any day now).

The problem is that the peakists weren't looking at reality from an economic perspective, they were just a recycling of the age-old malthusian nonsense that always sees the peak right around the corner (if not already in the rearview mirror). Their perception of reality was then tainted by that misperception and economic criticism was always ignored as "cornucopian" pollyannaism.

We're well past the point where the most recent generation of peakists have been shown to be wrong. There's a reason why sites like The Oil Drum have shut down. They committed the cardinal malthusian sin of making clear predictions and giving specific timelines. Then it's just a question of waiting to see whether they knew what they were talking about.

Here's a classic from just six years ago.



I remember debating with Matt Simmons and a number of regulars at the site. KSA was clearly post-peak (with 2005's 9.6 mbpd representing the peak). They would clearly never produce 9mbpd again and were just about to cross the 8mbpd line never to see it again. Gwahar was watered out and all of their new projects combined couldn't come close to matching the decline rate that was inevitible. If the peakists were WAY off in their predictions, at most it would slow the rate of decline in the 2020s.

Take a look at the prediction and compare it to reality. Today, KSA should be staring the 6mbpd line in the face (and barely over 5mbpd by the end of the decade). Yet somehow KSA set a new record level last month of 10.3 mbpd - all in an environment of collapsing prices due to a supply glut. That wasn't a peak... nor was it an "undulating plateau".

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
9. That's not an infrequent malthusian response...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:47 PM
Apr 2015

... particularly once the clock moves far enough past their most recent predictions that everyone else can already tell whether they were right or wrong.

It's "all you can say" because what you can't say is "here's why Matt Simmons was right in 2005 to say 'As we know, natural gas production has already peaked in North America.'" - or really any peakist prediction from more than a few years ago.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
10. What can I say?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:51 PM
Apr 2015

You clearly know so much more than I do, I can only stand in awe of your data. Obviously the supply of oil is infinite and we will never run out.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
11. And... there it is!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:56 PM
Apr 2015

Can't get very far in correcting malthusian errors before they'll pull out the old straw man that you must believe that the supply of oil is infinite.

I was beginning to worry.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
12. So oil is NOT infinite?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:10 PM
Apr 2015

Then there WILL be a peak in production?

So we are not arguing about if, but about when?

So then a protracted undulating plateau may not have a clear instant of peak production?

In that case, what, exactly, is the point you are trying to make?

(BTW: Throwing the slur "Malthusian" around so freely does not make you seem clever.)

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
13. So... you didn't read post #7?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015
So then a protracted undulating plateau may not have a clear instant of peak production?

As I said.... we're well past the stage where "it's just an undulating plateu" could be true. We're well above the prior peak and producers are fighting for market share to stop what they fear will be even more new production. The market has shifted from being constrained by supply to being constrained by demand. If production falls at this point, it will be due to unwillingness to produce at lower prices, not the inability to produce even at much higher prices. That simply isn't the mode of the back end of an undulating plateau. That model only sees production rise slightly with outsized upwards price moves... and downward with demand destruction.

In that case, what, exactly, is the point you are trying to make?

That you can't artificially constrain the debate to "Peak oil is here... or there never will be a peak". The peak will eventually arrive, but that statement was just as true a century ago as it is today. There isn't a reason to believe that it's imminent, and we're well past the point where we know that it didn't pass a decade ago.

Throwing the slur "Malthusian" around so freely does not make you seem clever.

When did it become a slur? Is there something about their philosophy that you're willing to refute? I mean... come on Binkie... if you're going to claim that the clown shoes don't fit, stop wearing them.

Your prior posts certainly seem to place you in the John Michael Greer / David Delaney / etc... "Malthus was an optomist" camp. If that's wrong, I'm happy to be corrected.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
14. I think we will have to agree to disagree until
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

such time as 20/20 hindsight makes it clear.

Yes, I'm afraid I am in the "Malthus was an optimist" camp. Not as bad as Guy McPherson, but I think Greer is a realist.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
15. Then "malthusian" shouldn't be taken as a slur
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:26 PM
Apr 2015

So I'm afraid I'll have to do it again when I point out...

agree to disagree until such time as 20/20 hindsight makes it clear.

... that this too is a common tactic of the malthusian. There is no amount of time that can pass before "I wasn't wrong... I was early!" becomes "darn it... I guess I was wrong". We never actually get to "hindsight".

As I said... we're well past that point. Even 20/200 hindsight should be able to tell that world oil production did not, in fact, peak in or around 2005... let alone US gas production peaking years earlier.

Heck... at 9.4 mbpd in the U.S. last month (and every indication that it had lots of room to run if oil prices stayed high) - is 45 years enough hindsight to agree that the supposed 1970 Hubbert peak was wrong?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Once you shut in a well,
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 04:06 PM
Apr 2015

you need to bring in a work over crew to bring this well back into production and there in lies the big money cost. What I said is there will be a flood of structured chapter 11's. Production will continue and it will be the new paradigm of pump the sucker dry. There is a finite known deposit and the Wall Street Propaganda Machine has the volume Amped.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
17. IOW, prepare for long-term volatility, first within the energy sector . . .
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015

And then spreading to every other sector of the economy.

Should be an interesting ride.

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