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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:31 AM Oct 2015

More horrible than rape: Spengler

http://atimes.com/2015/10/more-horrible-than-rape/

More horrible than rape: Spengler
By David P. Goldman on October 14, 2015

The body of a 20-year-old Syrian woman, “Rokstan M.,” was unearthed from a shallow grave in the small Saxon town of Dessau last week. Her father and brothers stabbed her to death on her mother’s orders, after she was gang-raped by three men. The rape left her “unclean” and the mother allegedly demanded the killing to restore the family’s honor. German police are seeking the father and brothers. That by itself is not newsworthy; what is newsworthy is the news itself, which appeared in not one of Germany’s major daily newspapers or websites. The tabloid Bild-Zeitung ran the story, along with the regional press, while the arbiters of enlightened opinion buried it. Der Spiegel, the country’s biggest news site, and the Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung, the newspaper of record, made no mention.

The case of Rokstan M. is heart-rending. She had found work in Germany as a translator for the government, but she knew her family would track her down and kill her. “I am awaiting death. But I am too young to die,” she had written on a social media profile. Her story deserves a line or two in the quality press. But it’s one of many that German leaders want to ignore.

Political leaders in Germany—which may absorb 1.5 million migrants this year—are struggling to respond to reports of a sex crime epidemic among newly-arrived Muslims. Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere urged Germans not to believe rumors of widespread rape at refugee centers, while Germany’s police union chief Rainer Wendt warned, “There is a lot of glossing over going on. But this doesn’t represent reality.” Wendt added, “It is understandable that there is the desire to calm things down politically.”

Germany’s elite knows perfectly well that the migrants bring social pathologies, because they have already seen the world’s worst sex crime epidemic unfold in Scandinavia. Sweden now has the highest incidence of reported rape outside of a few African countries, and nearly ten times the rate of its European peers—and all this has happened in the past ten years. Sweden ranks near the top of the World Economic Forum’s Gender Gap Index, yet it has become the most dangerous country for women outside of Africa, with an incidence of rape ten times that of its European peers. Sweden’s political leaders not only refuse to take action, but have made it a criminal offense to talk about it.
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More horrible than rape: Spengler (Original Post) unhappycamper Oct 2015 OP
I am sure get the red out Oct 2015 #1
I know what you're saying and I'm right there with you.. whathehell Oct 2015 #2
Well Said Sherman A1 Oct 2015 #3
Thank you, Sherman whathehell Oct 2015 #5
Short of castrating every male refugee, or barring them entirely Demeter Oct 2015 #4
That second option doesn't sound that bad to me.. whathehell Oct 2015 #6
At least one third bullsnarfle Oct 2015 #8
In the West, these things are crimes, rather than acts of "honor" whathehell Oct 2015 #9
"Warped"? bullsnarfle Oct 2015 #10
That's the word, but you're still not getting it.. whathehell Oct 2015 #11
Life without possibility of parole... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #7

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
1. I am sure
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:40 AM
Oct 2015

Talkimg about this will be highly discouraged. I won't say what I really think about these culturally misunderstood family values. We need to understand the family's delima from their perspective or say nothing at all. Speaking of this shows evil anti-immigration, right-winged nastiness since western culture hates women worse, of course.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
5. Thank you, Sherman
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:51 AM
Oct 2015

Can one even imagine her horror of being victimized by gang-rape, then murdered by your own family?

From what circle of Hell did these perverts aquire this monstrous 'culture'?















 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. Short of castrating every male refugee, or barring them entirely
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

what could the authorities do? It's not as if education would be an instant cure for what ails a society that thinks so little of women.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
6. That second option doesn't sound that bad to me..
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:59 AM
Oct 2015

and the PC crowd can flame away at me, I don't care.

The UK has had to form a police unit dedicated solely to the prevention of Islamic "honor' killings.

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
8. At least one third
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

of women killed in the U.S. every year are murdered by their male domestic partners.

Over 450 children in the U.S. are murdered by their own parents every year.

And that's not to mention rapes, incl. child rapes, and lots of other heinousness committed on Americans, by Americans, every day.

I'd say we have quite a large mote to remove from our own eye.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
9. In the West, these things are crimes, rather than acts of "honor"
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

They are profoundly discouraged, , not encouraged by some perverse

code of family "honor" -- THAT is the difference.

In western societies, murdering one's own daughter -- especially for something like, um, getting raped?

is viewed as an appalling, almost inhuman crime. That is another profound difference.


I know of NO other religion/culture that encourages parents to murder their own

children out of some warped sense of 'honor' and I doubt you do either.

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
10. "Warped"?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:20 PM
Oct 2015

How's this for "warped"?

This past Sunday, two teenage brothers were brutally beaten, one of them to death, in a church (church!) in New York, by their parents and other family members who were trying to get them to confess their sins.

Jeez, they tortured and murdered their own son! Maybe not for "honor", but for some nut-cake reasoning just as appalling. And I am sure those people (those "WESTERN" people) believed they were in the right!

Awful shit happens in ALL cultures, all over the world, and it is a HORROR, and a CRIME, and just EFFING WRONG no matter where it is done, or if it is done by a Muslim, or a Catholic, or a damned druid.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
11. That's the word, but you're still not getting it..
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

Of course horrible things happen in every country, but, as has been noted,

these "horrible things" are DEVIATIONS from the cultural code in western societies,

not its substance. If you don't understand that distinction, I can't help you.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
7. Life without possibility of parole...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:05 AM
Oct 2015

... for that entire family of swine. Honor, my ass. THEY brought dishonor on not only themselves and Islam, but the whole human race.

WAIT A MINUTE! Sweden has made it illegal to discuss their skyrocketing rape statistics?!!? WTF? THAT cannot go unchallenged! The Swedish Parliament must be controlled by their equivalent of our Republican Party. I've got to dig into that a little further; that's disgusting.

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