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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:55 AM Mar 2018

The simple reason why the Russians love Putin.

Imagine the following alternative history:

In the 1980s President Reagan is bankrupting the US with his Star Wars-program, when suddenly an economic crisis occurs. The US is on the verge of bankruptcy and can no longer maintain its military.

Drastic scale-backs on military expenditures. Foreign military-bases dissolved. NATO collapses.

The US has lost the Cold War.

At the same time, Gorbachev's Glasnost and Perestroika and the civil-rights demonstrations of Eastern Europe of the late 1980s lead to a restart of Communism/Socialism to a less oppressive version. Russia and the Soviet Union are now the strongest military and diplomatic power in the world.

Ultra-capitalist oligarchs are pillaging the US for whatever they can and corrupt politicians are all-too-willing to help them. The US loses any good-will and reputation it had. Nobody any longer gives a fuck about the opinion of the US. They are a corrupt and poor failed state.



Now consider this:

A politician, ex-CIA, rises and declares war on the oligarchs and corruption.

He gets the US-economy going again. He makes the US-military a force to be reckoned with again.

He dives deep, very deep, into patriotic jingoism, american exceptionalism and christian tradition.

He casts the US as a pious force of equality, love and peace and demonizes Russia as sinful, corrupt warmongers.

He makes you proud again the be an American.



Would you vote for such a guy, even after he becomes a dictator and does away with civil-rights and the free press?

You would.
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The simple reason why the Russians love Putin. (Original Post) DetlefK Mar 2018 OP
??? Skittles Mar 2018 #1
You would vote against the guy fighting corruption and the 0.1%? DetlefK Mar 2018 #4
I WOULD NOT "VOTE" FOR A DICTATOR Skittles Mar 2018 #6
Nope. secondwind Mar 2018 #2
But, I'm a citizen of the United States... cbreezen Mar 2018 #3
The real simple reason atreides1 Mar 2018 #5
Yeah... Communism ended 30 years ago, but they still have the same mentality... DetlefK Mar 2018 #7
So Russians are just stupid. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #8
Not stupid Cary Mar 2018 #11
The Russians MFM008 Mar 2018 #9
Sounds like the chaos that Obama calmed. He wasn't loved. Alpeduez21 Mar 2018 #10
I hope you realize that the 2008 recession and the Cold War were of different magnitudes. DetlefK Mar 2018 #13
Do they love Putin? Some do as some love Trump. But how many really? bullimiami Mar 2018 #12

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. You would vote against the guy fighting corruption and the 0.1%?
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:14 AM
Mar 2018

You would vote against the guy who brought the economy back from the brink of collapse?

You would vote against the guy who routinely calls for diplomatic negotiations to end wars?

atreides1

(16,075 posts)
5. The real simple reason
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:27 AM
Mar 2018

Is because the majority of the Russian people still have the same peasant mentality that they had under the Tsars and the Communists!

It's in their DNA...

Just my opinion!

Cary

(11,746 posts)
11. Not stupid
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:20 AM
Mar 2018

Developing Western cultures and norms isn't as easy as it sounds. We are seeing right now how easy it is to tear down Western cultures and norms and then how hard it will be to restore them.

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