Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumWhy Progressives Should Celebrate Israel’s 67th Birthday
Israel has a lot of problems, but its functioning democracy and liberal heritage means they can be fixed. Those on the Left should help it.
Israel turns 67 today. The old Israel of the Kibbutz, the farming commune, and the Histadrut, the almighty labor union, the Israel of plucky pioneers and Holocaust survivor-socialists, used to be the Lefts darling, toasted at the Socialist International. If Israel was once unduly romanticized, with no flaws acknowledged, Israel today is unduly demonized, with few virtues recognized by too many critics. Can progressives transcend the politics of the moment today and toast Israels historic, liberal, achievements?
Lately, liberals have mourned that Bibi Netanyahus Israel is no longer their grandfathers Israel. Overlooking such ridiculous reductionism defining 8.35 million free Jewish and Arab citizens by one leader who only earned 1 in 4 votes, lets admit: nostalgia is a mind-numbing drug. Israel of the 1950s was a tougher, unhappier place, filled with refugees traumatized by the European Holocaust and the Arab expulsion of 800,000 Jews. Until 1966, Israelis Arabs lived under military rule without the democratic rights they exercise today; demonstrated in March when 63.5 percent of eligible Israeli Arabs voted. Unlike today, there was no Palestinian Authority, and, Israels consensus did not acknowledge the Palestinians as a people with legitimate rights....
...Despite wars and terrorism, despite most immigrants coming from undemocratic Middle Eastern and Eastern European countries, Israeli democracy has flourished, miraculously....
...Despite wars and terrorism, despite most immigrants coming from undemocratic Middle Eastern and Eastern European countries, Israeli democracy has flourished, miraculously. In the 1950s, Israel accepted 800,000 Sephardic refugees expelled by Morocco and Iraq, Algiers and Egypt, as citizens. Despite some, initial, Ashkenazi contempt for the immigrants, today, when Americans visit Israeli schools, they see natural, authentic multiculturalism in action.
more:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/22/why-progressives-should-celebrate-israel-s-67th-birthday.html
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Progressives aren't liberals. They aren't Democrats. They're Leftists. Their priorities aren't the same as liberals or moderate Democrats. Liberal and moderate Democrats care about the things the author writes about. Progressives, if they care about those things at all, care about other things more. Israel is things that Leftism hates. It is Western, Capitalist, Religious, Jewish and a friend of the United States. If he's trying to reach liberal Democrats, he's preaching to the choir. If he's trying to reach Progressives, he's talking to the other team.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the noses of progressives.
And liberals who decide to apply their liberal values when discussing Israel.
As opposed to "LOEBI" types (Liberal On Everything But Israel)
There's a reason that support of Israel is correlated with rightwing ideology in the United States.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)And they're far from shy when it comes to bashing Israel.
Of course, you know what real apartheid is better than they do.
shira
(30,109 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It still doesn't.
Israeli democracy is fantastic for Jews, not so much for everyone else there.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)And with how Israel treats blacks (you know folks who look like me), I find it outrageous that anyone thinks I should celebrate that racist state that would birth control me against my will and deport me for being black. Netanyahu basically called blacks a scourge, and was totally supported.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)When Yityish Aynaw immigrated from Ethiopia to Israel at age 12, she was thrust into an Israeli classroom. An orphan lacking Hebrew skills, Aynaw says she relied on other kids and her own sheer ambition to get through.
Ten years later Aynaw, 22, is the first Ethiopian-Israeli to be crowned Miss Israel a title she hopes to use to showcase Israels diversity.
Israel really accepts everybody, she told JTA. That I was chosen proves it.
http://forward.com/news/173939/first-black-miss-israel-titi-aynaw-reflects-growin/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We've had black miss America's too. We are still super racist. I see Israel as slightly worse. A black beauty queen proves nothing.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Thousands of Ethiopian Jews who were brought to Israel in the 1990s.
The population is now well over 100,000.
America was founded on slavery. The majority of black people in America are descendants of those who came over in chains.
There is no comparison.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Past good acts do not cancel out bad. I know I'm a descendant of slaves and I constantly critisize the racism of the US. Israel has no excuse for how they treat black today, it's not tradition, it's pure racism and racial supremacy.
What about blacks who are NOT jews, like me? How are they treated? Like shit. Worse than me here.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 25, 2015, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)
I would encourage you to learn more about the 100,000+ strong population of Israelis who were originally from Ethiopia (or descended from those who immigrated a few decades ago). They do face discrimination, certainly, but nothing like what we see in the US.
With respect to your other point, which blacks who are not Jews are you talking about? Do you mean recent asylum seekers from Africa? If so, I agree that Israel should do more to help those who are escaping conflicts at home and risking their lives to come to Israel. I would point out that these are people who must pass through several other countries on their way to Israel - but choose not to seek asylum in, for example, Egypt or other neighboring states, but rather continue on to Israel at great risk to themselves.
If you'd like to learn more about the Beta Israel (not just in the 90s but today as well), I would love for you to take the time to read this:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2013/08/29/ethiopia-israel-immigration-airlift-falash-mura/6390/
Some really beautiful photos included there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Israeli
(4,148 posts)...when you are done please bravenak :
Ethiopians protest racist attack, clash with police: 'Israel will be like Baltimore'
After Ethiopian says he was attacked by immigration officials, Israel's Ethiopian community takes to the streets to protest.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4652484,00.html
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)You're spot on about Operation Solomon. A lot of people are still alive and living well because of Israel's actions.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Thus "proving" that the GOP is NOT the party of racists. Correct?
Can you and Ms Aynaw say token?
I would be more impressed if a Palestinian woman was crowned Miss Israel.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)How does Palestine treat Gays? Especially the 2nd state Gaza , the 1st state West Bank is culturally medieval where it comes to Gays.
Israel affords LGBT equal rights.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Except for Hewish Gays in Israel , the BDS throws then under the bus.
Of course not all BDS peeps are progressive , one of the USA most famous BDS supporter/ organizer/ cheerleader is an old KKK grand wizard.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)David. I just don't get you.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the only country in the neighborhood that as a Jewish woman I can walk around not covered, attend my gay friend's wedding and get an abortion without worrying about getting stoned to death or acid thrown in my face. You bet I'll be celebrating.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)And all my friends and family too .
shira
(30,109 posts)-Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people, whence they were exiled.
-In every place in which they have lived, Jews were/are treated as foreigners, or tolerated as a lower class of people.
-Zionism, as an idea, is a 2,000+ year old belief that Jews have the right to live in their ancient homeland as a nation a right that was taken from them by force.
-Opposing the idea of Zionism is, literally, to oppose the right of the Jewish people to live, as a nation, in their ancient homeland, and thus it leads to Antisemitism.
-Antisemitism predates the re-birth of the nation of Israel by more than one thousand years.
-Opposing Israel (I mean, its very existence) is to advocate for the annihilation of an entire people.
-Unwavering support for the continued existence of Israel doesnt equate to unwavering support for the Israeli government. I support the nation of Israel, but will offer constructive criticism when I see fit.
-This is my Zionism. Every opinion I hold on the issue of Israel is built on this foundation.
http://www.israellycool.com/2015/04/27/reader-post-im-a-progressive-liberal-who-supports-israel-and-heres-why-part-i/
shira
(30,109 posts)Unfortunately, my friends brought back lots of anti-semitic literature they picked up from the Palestinian representatives. At a conference where the world was supposed to make a united stand against racism, anti-semitism was rampant. My colleagues eagerly showed me books full of anti semitic cartoons hardly distinguishable from Nazi-era cartoons which they saw as examples of media as a tool for speaking truth to power.
Needless to say, I consider that 2001 conference an utter failure.
And so, four years before the launch of the Israeli Apartheid Week actions, anti-semitism became permissible under the pretense of raising awareness about Israeli oppression. It was thanks to this conference that I became politically aware about anti-Israel ideology.
http://www.israellycool.com/2015/04/29/reader-post-im-a-progressive-liberal-who-supports-israel-and-heres-why-part-2-israel-as-an-apartheid-state/
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)What I have read in this post is basically a whitewash of the actual history of the State of Israel. Whitewashed out is the continuing and expanding land theft, the continuing murder of Palestinian children, the usage of white phosphorous in civilian areas, the bombing of schools and hospitals.
What I do not see here is the constant demolition of houses and orchards, the bombing of electrical generating plants, the treating of an entire group of Israelis as third class citizens in fact and in law. Instead we have a fantasy that could have been produced by Fox News with backing from Sheldon Adelson.
Israel is a pariah in the world community, but a pariah with a powerful backer. Any progressive values that individual Israelis hold are outweighed by the brutal nature of the State of Israel. Unfortunate, but true.
shira
(30,109 posts)I suppose anyone could look at America the same way, WRT native Americans, foreign wars, domestic racism....
No matter what happens here, America must be given back, it's evil, all its politicians are just as bad as one another as none are truly left-wing, and therefore it must be BDS'd out of existence!
Is that how you feel about America?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Accurate historical knowledge is essential to understanding history. A mythologized history that rewrites all the bad behavior or pretends that there was no bad behavior leads to repetition of mistakes. THAT is why the US has always been at war. Because every war is always seen as defensive, why every war represents a noble struggle against existential threats to the very existence of the US.
And that "fantasy narrative" type of simplistic thinking typifies the Israeli government justification for their actions as well. The aggressor, whether the US or Israel, is transformed into the victim who is forced to respond.