Ann Coulter Accuses Republican Candidates of Pandering to 'F---ing Jews'

[Israeli]

Controversial pundit tweets 'how many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?' after several candidates in Republican debate stress improved U.S. ties with Israel.

Controversial conservative pundit Ann Coulter posted a series of arguably anti-Semitic tweets at the tail end of Wednesday night's Republican debate, accusing the candidates of pandering to Jewish voters, including one posing the hypothetical question of: "How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?"

Coulter, who has 660 thousand twitter followers, was reacting to the frequent mentions of Israel made by participants in the second televised Republican debate held Wednesday at the Ronald Reagan Library in California.

She first tweeted criticism of former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, Florida Senator Marco Rubio and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's support for Israel when answering the question "What will AMERICA [emphasis her's] look like after you are president?", asking "How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?” She also wrote: Good Grief, Huckabee is running for prime minister of Israel.

Coulter, who has expressed support for the candidacy of Donald Trump,  then proceeded to posit that the candidates may just be trying to "suck up to the Evangelicals."

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.676293

Holy Moses !!!!!

[pansypoo53219]

1. how long before the talibornagains attack?

[King_David]

2. Who is surprised that Anne Coulter is a bigot?

The vast majority of American Jews do not vote Republican anyway.

[Israeli]

5. Most Right wingers are KD ....

...and yes we all know , thank you .

US Jews can support both Israel and the Iran deal

Op-ed: After holding a serious, open discussion on the world powers' nuclear agreement with Iran, America's Jews clearly support President Obama's stand and most Jewish Congress members will vote in favor of the agreement.

Yael Patir
Published: 09.17.15, 14:54 / Israel Opinion

Yael Patir is the director of the Israel Program at J Street.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4701378,00.html

[Mosby]

7. Many American RWers are racist

against PoC but they tend to like Jews and Israel.

You're confusing the Euro fascist RW with American RW, they are quite a bit different.

[Israeli]

8. Ann Coulter is a .....

" Euro fascist RW " ....?????

Now Im really confused .

[Mosby]

9. What's confusing?

Most European conservatives tend to be fascists or part of fascist parties. American conservatives tend towards libertarianism except for the religious conservatives and neo-conservatives.

[Israeli]

10. So .....

American Right wing bigots, like Ann Coulter, are better than European Right wing bigots .....do both of them Trump Israeli Right wing bigots ????

[Mosby]

11. I am not making value judgements

Just trying to point out differences.

What Ann Counter said is something new for her but there have been hints in the past about her feelings about Jews. In 2007 she said: “We just want Jews to be perfected", that gives you an idea where she is coming from. Most American conservatives don't feel this way about Jews, even the religious ones who think most of us will die during the rapture or whatever.

I tend to think that a fair amount of Israeli RWers are bigoted, but what you don't seem to understand is that by American standards they are social liberals. American conservatives, especially the libertarians want to do away with entire government agencies like the interior dept, dept of education, medicare, SEC, VA, SS. They want to eliminate welfare altogether, privatize social security, eliminate all the workplace safety laws, eliminate environmental law, limit civil lawsuits, eliminate food stamps, eliminate unemployment insurance and change the tax laws to a flat tax. That's just a small sample of the kind of bat shit crazy ideas their leaders spout, they are the party of greed.

[Ken Burch]

24. Uh, Israeli actually lives in Israel(hence her posting name).

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You're not entitled to lecture her on what she "doesn't seem to understand" about politicians in her own country. She KNOWS what the right-wingers there are like. She has seen how Netanyahu has deliberately tried to fan the flames of antisemitism(you should be calling for him to stop referring to the State of Israel as "the Jews", and to stop implying that he speaks for every Jewish person in the world...Netanyahu knows damn well what he's doing when he uses rhetorical tactics like that).

The right-wing, anywhere, are not your allies. Seems to me the only people really can be are the people who fight against all forms of oppression and injustice...not the people who defend the status quo in the world.

(this posted edited on the basis of information received from "Israeli&quot .

[King_David]

33. "You're not entitled to lecture her"

LOL

Says who ? Who are you to tell Mosby what he is "entitled to".




Israeli was born in the states ?

WTF do you get this from?

Israeli has told us many times she's never ever been to the states...

Jerez.......The usual knowledge gap....

[Ken Burch]

36. Israeli lives in Israel...therefore, she knows what right-wing Israeli politicians are like.

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It was silly and condescending for Mosby to indulge in "Diasplaning" about such people to a person who sees them in action on a daily basis.

(post edited based on information provided by "Israeli&quot .

[Israeli]

39. No Ken ....

I dont know what American right-wingers are like ....Im trying to understand what Mosby posted and its OK ...he can " lecture " me as much as he wants to .....I'm here to learn .

I'm a sabra Ken .....both my parents were born here to ....I have never been to America .

[Ken Burch]

40. I stand corrected.

I will correct my posts.

What I objected too, though was Mosby lecturing you on ISRAELI right-wingers, not the American kind. I assume, as a sabra, you're up to speed on the reactionaries in your own country.

[Israeli]

50. Absolutely ....

....up to speed Ken .

[shira]

31. It's not a matter of Right vs. Left anymore. It's Moderates vs. Extremists...

Moderates around the center on both sides vs. the fanatics from both ends of the extremes who are united in their hostility towards western democracy & liberal values.

[Ken Burch]

41. It's more about those who want peace and justice for all...

...versus those who only care about making sure "their side" has the upper hand. The key is to get away from the ideas of winning. losing, or hegemony, and focus instead on addressing what causes conflict, so that conflict comes to an end.

[shira]

48. The Extremists on both sides want more conflict. Moderates do not. n/t

[leftynyc]

12. No - they don't like Jews

And their love for Israel extends only to its existence for their end times fantasy...at which time they'll be the first ones to throw us into the fiery pits of hell for not accepting Jesus. The only difference between the Euro fascist RW and our RW are that so many of ours are also fundies.

[Mosby]

15. The American far right is obviously Antisemitic

But imo the trend right now is less Antisemitism on the right and more on the left.

This is especially evident in minority communities:

http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism_domestic/adl-2011-anti-semitism_presentation.pdf

[leftynyc]

28. Sadly true

Neither the far left or the far right have anything to be proud of on the subject of Jews. While far too many believe Jews vote on who would be best for Israel, the truth is we vote Democratic because it fits our values as Jews. That said, I couldn't vote for anyone openly anti semitic or anti Zionist. I couldn't vote republican but I would probably write in a candidate.

[Ken Burch]

17. Which is why supporters of Israel should never align themselves with "Christian Zionists".

At heart, this is what MOST of them are like.

[leftynyc]

29. Perhaps you've noticed that after

African Americans, Jews are the most reliable minority the Democrats have. Bur I would never vote for anyone - of either party that was openly anti-Semitic or Anti-zionist.

[Ken Burch]

30. I know that. I was responding to Mosby, who seems to be sticking up for right-wingers here

And seems to be defending the idea that "pro-Israel" people should ally themselves with right-wingers(something that doesn't make much sense to me, given the degree to which the right-wing, around the planet, has usually ended up being the group that is whipping up hatred against Jews.

A lot of the Left hostility towards Israel(which sometimes, in minority instances, degenerates into hostility to Jews themselves, which is inexcusable)would vanish if the Israel/Palestine situation were resolved in a way that didn't ending shafting the Palestinians. The root of Left feelings about Israel is disbelief and incredulity that the Israeli government keeps implying that, unless the Left supports Israel oppression of the Palestinians, defends the Occupation, defends the repeated attacks on Gaza, depends the West Bank settlement project(and the accompanying land theft, water theft, and in many cases crop theft-the destruction of Palestinian-raised olive and citrus trees or the replanting of those trees on the settlements)and cheerleads for a missile strike on Iran(a unprovoked attack that couldn't achieve anything) that the Left hates Jews.

As I see it, it comes down to this:

Why should a part of the ideological spectrum predicated on opposition to oppression and persecution be obligated to defend an oppressive policy administered against a people who have done nothing to deserve being oppressed? Why should the Left be obliged to support the immiseration of Palestinians just to prove it doesn't wish ill towards Israelis?

Yes, the world's Jewish communities were victims of monstrous oppression in the past(oppression mainly inflicted by regimes of the Right-and, for that matter, I personally consider Stalinist Russia to be a regime of the right and don't believe anyone on the left should ever have defended that regime) and this justifies retribution against those who actually inflicted that oppression-in the main, the Christian nations of Europe(and, in the 20th Century also, the Christian English-speaking nations who could have taken in the Jews and saved them from Hitler's extermination project but refused to do so because they didn't want their societies to be less "Christian&quot . But how can that past suffering, inflicted by Christian Europe, possibly justify inflicting suffering on the Arabs of Palestine, a group that had nothing to do with the Dispersal, the Inquisition, the pogroms or the Holocaust? Why should a state run in the name of "Group A&quot a group that had suffered inexcusably) punish "Group C&quot the group that didn't cause that suffering) for the actions of "Group B&quot the group that actually DID cause it)? I ask that as a member of Group B...the group that should have had to do something to atone for that suffering(but was, in effect, let off the hook for it by the unjust punishment of Group C).

I support Israel's existence in peace and security within the pre-1967 lines(that is really all that the Israelis have the right to ask for here)with a real Palestinian state made up of the West Bank and Gaza living in peace and security next to it(or, failing that, an Israel-Palestine, rather than Israel-Jordan confederation on Belgium-style lines). If the Israeli government had been willing to say, as soon as the Six Day War happened, that they could accept that(rather than making clear that it viewed holding onto the West Bank-or, as no one had called in for centuries before Begin came to power "Judea and Samaria"-as more important than living in peace) I think that would be the consensus view of the Left today.


Do you see what I'm saying here?

[leftynyc]

45. Yes - I see what you're saying

And to me it looks like you place zero blame for the I/P conflict on the Palestinians or their leadership which has been abysmal. The political left has an awful record of turning their eyes away from Palestinian violence - right here you hear the rockets falling and destroying buildings and killing people are merely bottle rockets - the implication being that unless they have the same weapons as Israel, the ones they have should be discounted - an argument with zero merit.

The fact is the Palestinians were offered a state back in 1948 and everything that has happened since then is the fault of those who thought the Palestinians themselves or their "supporters" (we'll get to why I put that in quotes in a minute) would drive the Israeli's into the sea. Israel is the only country that has been ordered to give up land that they won in a war they didn't start...land that has been proven over and over to be needed for security because the Palestinians have NEVER given up the violence. I understand the support - the left has traditionally supported the underdog, I usually do also. But the "supporters" in the middle east are nothing but an illusion. There is no support for Palestinians in the middle east other than for propaganda purposes and to allow the leaders of those nations to use the I/P battle to distract their own people from living under brutal dictators who see them as nothing but cannon fodder. The UN has become nothing but a mouthpiece for those countries - just look how long it took for them to condemn the violence in Syria - if Israel looks sideways at hamas, there's security council meetings and condemnation in 24 hours. Given all the violence happening, just look at all the security council votes in the last 10 years. Violence in Islamic countries is virtually ignored until tens of thousands are dead. I have lost all respect for that organization - they're useless.

That the Palestinians thought they could vote in a terrorist organization as leadership and still maintain the support of everyone was a miscalculation of epic proportions...for the Palestinians themselves and their supporters. Now they're stuck with terrorists as leaders who refuse to call for another vote and somehow, that's the fault of Israel. The polls bear this out. Israel may have lost a couple of points of support but that didn't grow into higher support for the Palestinians. And it's their history and continuance of violence is the reason

I detest bibi, I think he's been awful for Israel but I understand how he got elected the same way I understand how Bush got elected in 2004 - historically, when people are uneasy and afraid, they turn right. And I certainly don't blame a country for doing that when the violence simply never ends. Quite simply - the Palestinians have shown zero proof of ever wanting to live in peace with Israel. Zero proof.

[Ken Burch]

20. They don't like Jews.

They only support Israel because they want Jewish people to leave the U.S. Anyone who believes in "The Rapture" wants Jewish people to choose between conversion and death.

Far better to make the fight against antisemitism a part of the larger fight against all forms of bigotry and oppression...and to stop tying it to an unquestioning defense of Israeli security policies(especially those carried out by governments led by the Likud Party, a party that needs Israel to be in a perpetual war in order to keep existing).

The best way to make Israel secure and to fight antisemitism is to end the oppression of the Palestinians. There are several ways to do that, but there's no way to do that without, at a bare minimum, accepting a Palestinian state, agreeing to never try to overthrow that state, and removing the illegal and unjustified settlements from the West Bank.

[Israeli]

42. Now this I agree with .....

Far better to make the fight against antisemitism a part of the larger fight against all forms of bigotry and oppression...and to stop tying it to an unquestioning defense of Israeli security policies(especially those carried out by governments led by the Likud Party, a party that needs Israel to be in a perpetual war in order to keep existing).

The best way to make Israel secure and to fight antisemitism is to end the oppression of the Palestinians. There are several ways to do that, but there's no way to do that without, at a bare minimum, accepting a Palestinian state, agreeing to never try to overthrow that state, and removing the illegal and unjustified settlements from the West Bank.

[6chars]

3. Same sentiment has been expressed here

Without the swear word.

[Israeli]

6. Yup .....

must agree ....we have a few Right wing bigots on here

[leftynyc]

13. Yup

We're in control of the government and the media, donchaknow?

[oberliner]

27. Mondoweiss agrees with her

I posted their response down thread.

[Ken Burch]

46. Mondoweiss wasn't defending her attack on Jews.

They thought she was making a larger point that could be separated from her hatesprache.

Wouldn't have gone there myself in terms of what she said, but they weren't really defending Coulter in the sense that you imply.

You are obsessed with finding any reason to demonize that site(as you are with 972).

Why?

How would anything be better if those sites weren't there?

Is Michael Lerner acceptable to you, at least? Or can you not tolerate anything beyond J Street?

[oberliner]

47. Mondoweiss argued that she was not attacking Jews but rather making a valid point.

She didn't think her comment constituted attacking Jews and neither did Mondoweiss which saw fit to run an article not criticizing Coulter for her remarks but rather clarifying and defending her point.

[Israeli]

53. "" (as you are with 972). ""

.....ah ...you noticed

[oberliner]

57. I've been posting from 972mag since before you joined us here at DU

Sometimes they have poorly sourced articles or op-eds that I disagree with, but so do lots of sources that I find useful. Generally speaking, I like that site a lot.

Mondoweiss, on the other hand, is absolute trash. Hopefully the article about Ann Coulter's tweet will convince you and others of this fact.

[grossproffit]

4. Is she a poster here?

[oberliner]

23. Check out the response from Mondoweiss

I posted it down thread.

Needless to say, they are on the same page as Coulter.

[Travis_0004]

25. Results of Jury service

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[King_David]

34. LOL. 7-0 Jury

I can guess who alerted.

LOL

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

59. Who alerted, dave?

I agree it's a stupid alert.

Do tell, though.

[azurnoir]

14. Nothing that woman says surprises me anymore

seriously the first time I read her column I thought it was -had to be-satire, sadly it wasn't , our local paper ran her on a trial run for 6 weeks they pulled after 3 weeks because so many LTTE threatened to cancel subscriptions if they continued that was in 2002

ETA I hope this isn't a preview of what we'll be hearing when Bernie win the nomination, I fear it could well be though

okay grudgingly if Bernie wins the nomination

[oberliner]

22. Did you see the Mondoweiss response?

I posted it down thread.

[Israeli]

43. If I was American ....

I would vote for Bernie.....not Hillary tho ....dont like the woman at all .

[Ken Burch]

16. This is what most "Christian Zionists" are about.

They make a big deal about supporting "a Jewish state" because they don't want Jews living in THEIR state.

[geek tragedy]

18. This sentiment is lurking inside the heart of the Republican party.

If Israel were to turn things around and become a peace-loving, equality-promoting, leftwing state identified with the Bernie Sanders crowd instead of the Bill Kristol crowd, the fangs would come out swiftly.

[oberliner]

21. Mondoweiss agrees with Coulter

And they purport to be progressive.

[Israeli]

44. Yup ....

I agree .

[oberliner]

19. Coulter’s point is that Republicans pander on Israel to win donors, not voters (Mondoweiss)

Everyone is talking about one thing today, anti-immigrant activist Ann Coulter’s outburst on twitter during the Republican debate last night about the Israel pandering by the candidates. Salon characterizes it as anti-Semitic, and John Podhoretz is also worked up about it– “Holy shit, Ann. Shame on you.” They refer to a hate-tweet about “fucking Jews,” though Coulter was raising a legitimate issue.

Her tweets began like this.

That’s a fair point, right. It happened again and again during the Iran debate. Politicians were asked about the U.S. and they talked about Israel. Then came this tweet, which is getting all the headlines. Salon calls it “gratuitously anti-semitic.”

Leaving aside the invective, this is a fair question. The answer is 2.2 percent overall and even in states where Jewish voters are said to be crucial, New Jersey and Florida, the numbers are actually fairly low, at 5.9 percent and 3.3 percent. New Hampshire, .8 percent, Iowa .2 percent. The point is, The candidates are bending over backwards for Sheldon Adelson’s money, not for primary voters. That’s why Jeb Bush has tacked right on foreign policy and hired Paul Wolfowitz and thrown Jim Baker under the bus, to get money from the Republican Jewish Coalition. If they were doing this for the Koch Brothers, the media would be all over it. Remember that Adelson called for the U.S. to nuke Iran, and this man has power over the candidates!

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/republicans-donors-coulters#sthash.dFmXyxb0.dpuf

Good to see that Mr. Mondoweiss himself has Coulter's back.

[shira]

32. Perfect example of how Extremists unite from both ends of the political spectrum

There's no damned difference between Phil Weiss & Pat Buchanan when it comes to their insane, crackpot theories about Jews. Jew hate rots the brain. How many more times must that be stated?

No surprise, as Phil Weiss actually wrote for Buchanan's paleo-con rag years ago. Can't say for sure because I haven't looked it up yet, but I'll bet dollars to donuts the Jew-hating, conservative far Rightwing supports ass clowns like Jeremy Corbyn for his stance against the Jewish state. I can't wait to be proven correct.

Gotta check...

[King_David]

35. Quelle Surprise

Birds of a feather...

Mondoweiss is considered a hate site by most people...

With good reason

[Little Tich]

38. I think Mondoweiss is fundamentally wrong about Coulter.

It's not about what she said, it's about the context. She clearly defines Jews as "the other" and as having too much influence, both which IMHO is well within the definition of anti-Semitism.

While there's a lot of support for Israel in Republican ranks, it's not a "Jewish" thing. Whatever one may think about the issue of supporting Israel, it's based on other things than Jewishness.

So when discussing the issue of support for Israel, it must never be in connection with US Jewry like Coulter does.

I think Mondoweiss had a brain fart and conflated these two issues, one of which racist and not worth discussing, and the other which is indeed worthy of discussing.

[shira]

49. This is typical Mondoweiss. How much more proof do you need? n/t

[oberliner]

52. When I saw Coulter's tweet, my thought was that she sounded like Mondoweiss

Especially the comment thread over there, but even Philip himself (though he would be slightly more tactful about saying it).

[oberliner]

51. Mondoweiss did not have a "brain fart"

This piece was written and published by Philip Weiss himself. It is completely in line with everything he has written previously and is exactly what I expected to find there after the hubbub over the Coulter tweets. Ann Coulter's point is one that Philip Weiss very much agrees with (and wishes people would bring up more).

I do not understand how someone who purports to be a progressive would want anything to do with a website whose response to Ann Coulter is that. I mean that sincerely - I am not trying to score points here, I genuinely cannot understand, based on other things you've written that are thoughtful, reasonable and sensible.

[shira]

54. I think I understand why there's reluctance to call Mondoweiss out for anything...

Mondoweiss is part of the backbone of anti-Zionist BDS, FreeGaza bullshit.

Acknowledging the reality of Mondoweiss is to attack the entire movement. A movement so many people have invested so much into.

It's emotional.

That's why it's so hard to even confront FreeGaza, or boycotting American Jews like Matisyahu, or pigs heads in the kosher section of supermarkets, or even Hamas "resistance" to Jews (occupation). To do that is to attack the entire movement.

[oberliner]

55. I think you might be exaggerating the significance of Mondoweiss

Do you really think it is the backbone of the BDS movement?

Maybe it is more popular than I thought it was (I hope not), but I always believed it was just a vanity site populated by a small group of kooks (and worse).

[King_David]

56. Mondoweiss is only popular here on DU in IP

And very popular in our group of 12 people among 6 of us.

Of the 6 people it's popular among only one poster who posts Mondoweiss on a regular basis and usually every single article

- except for this article that you just posted here...

- he must of missed this one?

[oberliner]

58. I think there is a little more of an audience than just us

But it is definitely a niche group.

I am optimistic that the article about Ann Coulter will maybe discourage people from wanting to post from that site as frequently.

[Little Tich]

61. I went back and read the article again, and my reaction is pretty much the same as the first time.

I think the author of the article fell victim to a sort of scenario fulfillment where his desire to see American support for Israel questioned, somehow made him blind to the fact that Coulter did it from a racist perspective. He saw what he wanted to see, and made a mistake due to his eagerness to believe. This is the same kind of eagerness to believe that make Sasquatch hunters believe that any guy in a gorilla suit is the real thing.

I don't like the article, and I think I have to be careful and a little bit more skeptical towards them in the future. While I still like Mondoweiss in general because I agree with much of what's expressed there, there are obviously some things there I don't agree with.

[MisterP]

26. that was faster than I expected--I thought the Irish or Chinese were also in the running

for "who does the GOP hate next?"

[bemildred]

60. Off her meds again I see.

Ann Coulter and Trump have much in common now that I think of it.

[Koch Ebola]

62. Here is a song about her.

https://soundcloud.com/user-890005066/oh-ann-by-stephen-jay-morris