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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:42 PM Sep 2015

Shame on Shin Bet: Almost 6 Weeks Pass and Baby Killers Still Walk Free

Note that this was written over two weeks ago.

Almost six weeks have passed since the murderous attack on the Dawabsheh family’s home in the West Bank village of Duma, yet as far as is known Israel’s security agencies still don’t have a clue about who perpetrated it. This is an unreasonable and intolerable situation. The more time passes, the greater the suspicion grows that the security agencies, first and foremost the Shin Bet security service, aren’t doing enough to capture the murderers. The killers are roaming free, thumbing their noses at the authorities and destined to perpetrate additional horrifying crimes.

Catching the murderers of the three members of the Dawabsheh family — on Monday, Riham was buried, following in the wake of her toddler son Ali and her husband Sa’ad — isn’t like searching for a needle in a haystack. It can be assumed, with a fairly high degree of certainty, that the murderers came from one of the wild outposts around the Shiloh Valley. And in any case, the population on which suspicion has fallen — the one from which previous arsonists and lawbreakers came — isn’t a group of infinite size or indeterminate character. The Shin Bet, which excels at catching Palestinian terrorists, cannot wash its hands and claim that it is unable to catch the perpetrators of this abominable crime.

It’s enough to recall how the Shin Bet, the Israel Defense Forces and the police behaved after three Israeli teens were kidnapped more than a year ago, even once it was clear that they had already been killed: During Operation Brother’s Keeper, thousands of soldiers flooded the West Bank and arrested some 400 Palestinians, including members of the Palestinian parliament, who had no connection to the murder. And the murderers’ end came swiftly: They were liquidated.

Israel reacted savagely at that time, but it proved that every Palestinian terrorist will end up either in jail or in the grave. The burden of proof that Israel doesn’t have a policy of discriminating among the perpetrators of vile crimes on the basis of their nationality now rests on the investigative agencies and the government that gives them their orders. As long as the perpetrators of the triple murder in Duma continue to walk free, it will be impossible to dispel the suspicion that this haplessness was not inevitable.


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.675228

The Israeli government has no interest in catching and prosecuting the perps--that would involve offending the Jewish Taliban in the settlements.

A few administrative detentions for pr purposes, nothing more.

Baruch Goldstein would have walked in today's Israel.
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Shame on Shin Bet: Almost 6 Weeks Pass and Baby Killers Still Walk Free (Original Post) geek tragedy Sep 2015 OP
Everything you have written here is wrong oberliner Sep 2015 #1
You have an inverted notion of what constitutes 'desperately' geek tragedy Sep 2015 #2
"Wrong, wrong, wrong..." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #10
The spirit of Baruch Goldstein is alive and well R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #3
With those extremist views on Israel that you express here on a daily basis... King_David Sep 2015 #4
Bernie is the least supportive of Israel's geek tragedy Sep 2015 #5
Are you generally in agreement with Bernie's position on Israel? oberliner Sep 2015 #6
You can't be serious? King_David Sep 2015 #9
You should give this a read ...... Israeli Sep 2015 #7
Keep telling yourself that King_David Sep 2015 #8
This is what Bernie says about Bernie. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #11
Would you say that you are generally in agreement with Bernie's opinions on Israel? oberliner Sep 2015 #12
Your joking right ? King_David Sep 2015 #13
They have a Bernie Sanders as their avatar image oberliner Sep 2015 #14
For the one that is a single issue AntiZionist King_David Sep 2015 #15
Your fantasies are very revealing, king...but alas completely inaccurate. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #16
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Everything you have written here is wrong
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:12 PM
Sep 2015

The Israeli government desperately wants to catch and prosecute the perps.

The administrative detentions of known extremists was an aggressive attempt to try to get information on who committed these crimes.

The comment about Baruch Goldstein is just disgusting and, of course, false.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. You have an inverted notion of what constitutes 'desperately'
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:30 PM
Sep 2015
Israel’s defense establishment knows who is responsible for the arson attack that killed three members of a Palestinian family two months ago, but has chosen to prevent legal recourse in order to protect the identity of their sources


http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.675422

Of course, they later walked it back and said "no, our intelligence sources actually suck and we don't know who did it.

They arrested 400 Palestinians in order to find out who murdered Jewish boys and started bombing Gaza. They've put 3--count 'em 3--in temporary administrative detention, with ZERO arrests.


 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
3. The spirit of Baruch Goldstein is alive and well
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:53 PM
Sep 2015

in Israeli government WRT all the bad that they do under the banner of apartheid.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. With those extremist views on Israel that you express here on a daily basis...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:09 PM
Sep 2015

It's fascinating that you support Bernie Sanders...

Bernie is one of the most pro Israel candidates in the race , with a voting record in the senate to prove it.

If anyone expressed those views on the campaign they would be disavowed the same day.

There are other candidates and parties with the same views as yourself you know?
Such as The Green Party.

Go Bernie go...I can support him with the knowledge that myself and his views on the Jewish State are identical...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. Bernie is the least supportive of Israel's
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:16 AM
Sep 2015

government of all candidates, with the possible exceptions of Rand Paul and Martin O'Malley.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Are you generally in agreement with Bernie's position on Israel?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:38 AM
Sep 2015

Would you say it aligns with your own for the most part?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. You can't be serious?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:08 AM
Sep 2015

Have you read that posters posts on Israel?

They are diametrically opposite to Bernie Sanders views on Israel , 180 degree difference.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
7. You should give this a read ......
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:55 AM
Sep 2015
Bring Israel a Corbyn, Tsipras or Sanders

Israel's political map contains not a single representative of their species.

Gideon Levy Sep 24, 2015

If only Israel had a Jeremy Corbyn or an Alexis Tsipras, at the very least a Bernie Sanders, to stand out against all of our gray monotony. We can only envy the soaring fortunes of these exceptional politicians in their respective countries. Our spare political map contains not a single representative of the species.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.677245


King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Keep telling yourself that
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:00 AM
Sep 2015

LOL

But the man is one of the most pro Israel candidates... Even more so than Obama


This is what Mondoweiss says about Bernie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134113241



 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
11. This is what Bernie says about Bernie.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:47 AM
Sep 2015
https://m.



But gooooooooooooood luck with your narrative, you Bernie Sanders supporter.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Would you say that you are generally in agreement with Bernie's opinions on Israel?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

Do his views on the subject pretty much align with yours?

“The hatred, violence and loss of life that define this conflict make living an ordinary life a constant struggle for both peoples. We must work with those Israeli and Palestinian leaders who are committed to peace, security and statehood rather than to empty rhetoric and violence. A two-state solution must include compromises from both sides to achieve a fair and lasting peace in the region. The Palestinians must fulfill their responsibilities to end terrorism against Israel and recognize Israel’s right to exist. In return, the Israelis must end their policy of targeted killings, prevent further Israeli settlements on Palestinian land and prevent the destruction of Palestinian homes, businesses and infrastructure.”

Sound good?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. Your joking right ?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

That poster in particular is a one issue antiZionist , with the most extremist anti Israel views you would find anywhere on DU....vitriol against the Jewish State that is incomparable to any poster here on DU.

Extreme opposite of Bernie Sanders view and more in line with what his beloved Mondoweiss posts ( he posts just about every article of Mondoweiss here on DU)

This is what Mondoweiss says about Bernie Sanders....

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/sanders-economic-pussycat

Mondoweiss supports Ann Coulters antisemitic views on Jews and Israel too...

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/republicans-donors-coulters

Go Bernie Go

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. They have a Bernie Sanders as their avatar image
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

And have a video of his talking about Israel at the ready.

Presumably there must be some common ground, right?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. For the one that is a single issue AntiZionist
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:02 PM
Sep 2015

It is to give credibility to post on a Democratic Party forum...
There's many other forums with such toxic views but if your a single issue "antiZionist"
Posting OTT posts about The Jewish state daily here - you need credibility.

The other ones not single issue he's a Democrat and very strong opinions but active all over.

For lifelong Democratic Party supporters and campaign volunteers like myself there's no problem at all with our views on Israel- my Israel opinion is identical to Bernie Sanders.

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