Israel seeks to legalize controversial settler outpost

[geek tragedy]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seeks-to-legalize-controversial-settler-outpost/

The radio report said the state admitted that the outpost was built illegally, but based its position on a 2003 High Court ruling that the land was not privately owned by Palestinians and instead belonged to the State of Israel. The state is also reportedly seeking to authorize buildings erected there without permits.

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The outpost gained international media attention in January when residents threw stones at American consular officials during a visit made to the West Bank to investigate claims of damage to Palestinian agricultural property.

Consulate staff were touring near the Adei Ad outpost, northeast of Ramallah, along with a number of Palestinians from the nearby village of Turmus Ayya. The villagers had said thousands of olive tree saplings on their lands had been uprooted by local settlers in recent days. A number of villagers with US citizenship invited consulate staff to view the damage up close.

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In August homes in Adei Ad were raided as part of a crackdown of Jewish terrorists following the July 31 firebombing of a home in Duma — located just one kilometer from Adei — which killed three members of the Dawabshe family. The attack is believed to have been carried out by Jewish extremists.

Israel deploys snipers to kill Palestinian kids who throw stones. It rewards illegal Jewish settler communities who throw stones at Americans and burn Palestinian babies to death.

In case people were wondering the real reason why Israel has not and will never punish the perps who burned that Palestinian family to death--here's your answer. The Baruch Goldstein crowd in the settlements is above the law and accountable to no one. Their crimes are rewarded and encouraged, not punished. Because those crimes further the goals of the state of Israel, which views Palestinians as pests to be extirpated.

[oberliner]

1. Everything written after the article is a lie

For example:

"Israel deploys snipers to kill Palestinian kids who throw stones."

The reality:

Police will now be allowed to use the Ruger .22-caliber rifles, which are generally not lethal. They will be used only in cases where stone-throwers pose a risk to passengers in vehicles, and perpetrators will be shot only in the legs.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.676935

You take something that is wrong and you exaggerate it into something that is factually incorrect (and ridiculous).

The reality of the policy is bad enough without having to make stuff up. Stick to the truth - there is no need for the hyperbole and outright fiction.

[geek tragedy]

2. okay, they plan to shoot Palestinian school children who throw rocks

and plan to put them in prison.

While showering with special favors Jews who burn Palestinian families alive and throw stones at Americans.

Modern Zionism and justice are now competing, not complementary, values.

[oberliner]

3. What do you mean by "showering with special favors Jews who burn Palestinian families alive" ?

What Jews who burn Palestinian families alive are being showered with special favors and what are those favors?

[geek tragedy]

4. that illegal colony is 1 km from where the family was burned. the terrorists were on foot.

Not to mention throwing stones at American diplomatic personnel. And the IDF at various stages.

the favor here is being rewarded by the state of Israel by having their highly illegal construction ex post facto legalized--that is special treatment and a legal gift.


Of course, the Israelis bulldoze non-Jewish construction if there's any defect in the permits. Because they are not about the law, they're about trying to cleanse the land of the people they view as pests to the dominant, privileged class.

Israel is a settler state--its government is by the Baruch Goldstein crowd in the settlements, of the Baruch Goldstein crowd in the settlements, and for the Baruch Goldstein crowd in the settlements.

[oberliner]

5. Those are reasonable points

The whole settlement enterprise needs to be dismantled completely and the current Israeli government seems to be going in the opposite direction.

[geek tragedy]

6. and there's 4 more years of this coming.

Abbas just tore up the Oslo agreements.

Actions have consequences.

[Mosby]

7. do you seriously think the PA is going to dissolve?

That would mean people wouldn't get paid. Like all those security people that won't be working anymore in area A.

Actions have consequences.

[geek tragedy]

8. well, that's the thing, the PA has a vested interest in continuing the occupation

if they do anything that approaches doing something to make a Palestinian state happen, the gravy train stops running

the only way they stay in power, and get their cash, is by continuing to act as Israel's rent-a-cops.

So there's a very good chance this is Abbas just pretending to do something meaningful

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. I have to call you on your BS.

The whole settlement enterprise needs to be dismantled completely and the current Israeli government seems to be going in the opposite direction.

The settlement enterprise, condones by Israel, has been going on since the early 1970s.

[oberliner]

11. There is no BS

I am suggesting it needs to be dismantled but that the current Israeli government doesn't seem interested in doing that.

I would think this, of all things, would be an area of common ground for us.

[azurnoir]

10. first off accusing people of lying is an attack of the basest sort

secondly your Haaretz link may not have the necessary info

The Israeli military used a suppressed .22 LR rifle in the 1990s for riot control and to "eliminate disturbing dogs prior to operations", though it is now used less often as it has been shown to be more lethal than previously suspected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle#Usage

the link from wiki goes here

In the recent Israeli-Palestinian clashes began in 2000, the Ruger resumes it’s original role as a less lethal riot control weapon. However, it’s usage in this role was rather controversial this time. After several incidents involving the death of Palestinians by the Ruger fire, the IDF conducted a field experiment in the Ruger at the IDF Sniper School in Mitkan Adam under the supervision of the IDF Judge Advocate General (JAG). The test showed that the Ruger was more lethal then thought especially in upper body injuries. Also, since it’s suppressed and was considered less lethal by the troops, the soldiers were much more likely to use the Ruger loosely then intended.

http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/israeli_sniper.htm

[oberliner]

12. Not even remotely

If someone lies, it's okay to call them out on it. It's nothing personal and it's not an attack of any kind.

We're having discussions here on this forum so it's important for people not to make stuff up.

I've been accused of lying many times on this board (most recently less than an hour ago) and I've never seen you go after the poster making the accusation and calling it "an attack of the basest sort".

I think we are pretty much all adults here and can handle such accusation and defend our claims if we believe them to be true.

[azurnoir]

13. Did Israel okay the use of live fire on Palestinian rock throwers? why yes it did

you can claim it's a kinder gentler live fire fire (less lethal) but a bullet is a bullet

[oberliner]

14. If that was what was written, it would be true

But what was written was:

"Israel deploys snipers to kill Palestinian kids who throw stones"

That is not true.