Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumNew video shows accused stabber posed no threat when shot
http://972mag.com/new-video-shows-accused-stabber-posed-no-threat-when-shot/112593/A video that went viral following the incident shows young Jewish Israelis egging on the policemen to kill Alloun, despite the fact that it is unclear from the video whether he posed a threat when an officer shot him numerous times. The Israeli media reported that he was shot while trying to escape from the security forces that began chasing him. After refusing to release his grip on the knife, the forces shot and killed him.
It was clear that that first part was a lie from the get go: Alloun never tried to escape. However, a new video that captures the scene from a different angle shows that Alloun wasnt holding a knife when he was shot, and therefore did not pose a threat. Moreover, this was the reason an officer who stood near the person filming the incident chose not to shoot Alloun. He chose neither to shoot nor use his weapon as threat as Alloun walked by him. He didnt shoot when the teenagers nearby yelled Shoot him, bitch! or Pepper spray? What kind of policemen are you? while warning Alloun that he was about to die. When it was all over, the police officer who refused to shoot Alloun became the target of verbal abuse by those same teenagers.
And while this particular policeman acted appropriately, additional officers who arrived on the scene chose to act differentkly. Seconds after they exit their vehicles, one of the teenagers who would later celebrate Allouns killing by shouting death to Arabs tells the officers that Alloun had just stabbed someone and that they should shoot without any attempt to subdue him. The officers did not even yell at Alloun to throw down the knife thats because there was no knife and Alloun posed no threat. They did not even yell at him to give up or to let him know that he was under arrest.
This is still another extrajudicial murder by Israelis pretending to be cowboys, but now that there is more video evidence that this was an extrajudicial killing the deniers will still come out and make excuses for zionism flipped on its head.
Palestinian lives matter.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At the 0:51 mark.
I cannot imagine this person not getting shot by police in the USA under similar circumstances - probably much more quickly.
If you just stabbed a child and you are surrounded by police officers you should probably get down on the ground and/or put your hands over your head and stop moving.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Given that Israeli cops are generally racist assholes and here proven liars ...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I should not make that assumption.
But, that aside, can you tell what he is doing right before he gets shot?
This video raises some serious questions, and I would like to gather more information.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it's not considered okay for police to shoot someone.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But if this person actually did stab a 15 year old kid and ignored police instructions, I can see how that might lead to him being shot by police officers. The video might not tell the whole story. I would certainly hope people would want to find out more details, as I do, before jumping to conclusions.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Show me a clip of an American cop killing an unarmed man in a similar situation that wasn't prosecutable...
King_David
(14,851 posts)Video: Cops Shot, Killed 12-Year-Old Two Seconds After Arriving at Park
http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827
( I await the : but but but but ...)
And the enquiry just exonerated the police.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)first you admit the Israeli police not to mention other security engage in racism and second you also seem to justify it too
King_David
(14,851 posts)The poster was adamant it doesn't happen in the USA - I proved him wrong.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)The poster said this does not happen in the USA and I proved him wrong.
You may want to direct this conversation to whatever topic you want but I ain't biting .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)If he had just stabbed a 15 year old Jew and there was imminent danger to anyone else - yes.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)BTW do you really think it was justified to kill that kid?
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)knife.
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)And no danger to anyone.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)and they are actually prosecuting the police officer who shot Sammi Yatim.
King_David
(14,851 posts)To the prosecution.... What's next ?
LOL
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)There are obviously both similarities and differences between police shootings in different democratic countries.
shira
(30,109 posts)....the police there aren't constantly in the business of protecting against people who are brainwashed, paid, & glorified to be martyrs by an enemy (just a few miles away) to kill their citizens.
Let's not even pretend the US, UK, Canada, Australia, France, etc... would act more restrained or more "civil" than Israel if that were the case.
There is no comparison.
In times of war WRT civilians, Israel already is more restrained & "civil" than all other western nations.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Cop Shoots Unarmed Man to Death After He Was Walking With a Purpose
http://filmingcops.com/cop-shoots-unarmed-man-to-death-after-he-was-walking-with-a-purpose/
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Alloun wasn't even walking with intent towards anyone, so it was obviously an execution...