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Why is Amnesty International Sponsoring a U.S. Tour for a Palestinian Promoter of the Blood Libel?
By Yair Rosenberg
October 16, 2015
In April, Amnesty International came under fire when it rejected, by a vote of 468-461, a resolution calling for the organization to combat anti-Semitism in Britain. This refusal led many to question Amnesty’s commitment to fighting anti-Jewish prejudice. Now, the group’s American arm has added further fuel to the fire by sponsoring a U.S. speaking tour—including a stop in a third-grade classroom—for a Palestinian activist who promotes anti-Semitic conspiracy theories....
...But while perhaps that controversy could be chalked up to differences of political opinions, the latest one swirling around Tamimi cannot. On Wednesday, as reported by Cornell’s William Jacobson, Tamimi reposted a viral anti-Semitic meme on his Facebook page, alleging Israelis detain Palestinian children to steal their organs, and that Zionists control the media to suppress this information...
...Indeed, what makes the situation so tragic—beyond the spectacle of a purported human rights organization promoting a purveyor of ancient anti-Jewish invective—is that there are truly inspiring and genuine Palestinian advocates for peace and coexistence who Amnesty could have sponsored instead....
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/194278/why-is-amnesty-international-sponsoring-a-u-s-tour-for-a-palestinian-promoter-of-the-blood-libel
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shenmue
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still_one
(92,061 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And you'll forgive me, by the way, if I laugh my ass off at an online magazine that literally compares itself to the ten commandments.
What was the content of Tamimi's speaking tour?
shira
(30,109 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)just stealing their organs. Let's not exaggerate.
shira
(30,109 posts)...against Jews.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Source: Times of Israel, April 22, 2015
Amnesty International rejected a motion to campaign against the rise in anti-Semitism in Britain, saying it battles all discrimination and would not single out individual groups, the British Jewish newspaper The Jewish Chronicle reported Tuesday.
The resolution called for the group to “campaign against antisemitism in the UK and lobby the government to tackle the rise in attacks.” It was struck down 468 to 461 at the group’s annual general meeting at the beginning of the week, the report said.
“It was the only resolution to be defeated during the whole conference,” said Andrew Thorpe-Apps, who submitted the motion in March after becoming concerned over press reports of rising anti-Semitism in the United Kingdom.
“I’ve been appalled by what I’ve seen in the press facing the Jewish community and an organization like Amnesty should really add their voice to that as they do with other human rights issues,” said Thorpe-Apps, who is not Jewish.
The group defended the rejection. “After a really interesting debate where everyone condemned discrimination against all ethnic and religious groups, our membership decided not to pass this resolution calling for a campaign with a single focus,” said Amnesty International UK press officer Neil Durkin.
“Amnesty International fights against discrimination in all its forms, and will continue to do so.”
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/amnesty-international-rejects-call-to-fight-anti-semitism/
Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent
Source: The Guardian, Tuesday 22 December 2009
The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".
The revelation, in a television documentary, is likely to generate anger in the Arab and Muslim world and reinforce sinister stereotypes of Israel and its attitude to Palestinians. Iran's state-run Press TV tonight reported the story, illustrated with photographs of dead or badly injured Palestinians.
Ahmed Tibi, an Israeli Arab MP, said the report incriminated the Israeli army.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
Perhaps Tablet Mag needs a fact checker?
shira
(30,109 posts)1. Amnesty Int'l devoted themselves to fighting anti-Muslim discrimination (a campaign with a single focus) back in 2012, while rejecting a single focus campaign WRT anti-semitism. So Amnesty's excuse was nothing more than a lie. https://www.aivl.be/sites/default/files/bijlagen/Rapportchoiceandprejudice.pdf
2. Where do you find in the Guardian Article that Israel detains Palestinian children IN ORDER to steal their organs? And further - how do the Jews control the media in order to suppress this dastardly plot?
Bad detective work on your part. This is where you acknowledge you're wrong and Tablet got it right. The "Zionist Press" isn't into revisionist history like extreme Left and Right wing publications are proven to be.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Amnesty is a reputable organization, and if they choose to reject a campaign, there is probably a good cause for it, otherwise there would have been criticism from other reputable sources, not Tablet Mag.
As for the organ harvesting, Israel literally promoted blood libel by vehemently denying that any organs were ever harvested, and calling any accusations of Israel doing so blood libel, while at the same time they knew perfectly well that organs were in fact harvested.
While it was perhaps wrong to exaggerate the rumours, the rumours were essentially true, and Israel just made things worse by refusing to come clean about what they did.
If there are any real concerns about Tamimi, they're offset by the gross distortions in the OP.
shira
(30,109 posts)That's ridiculous argumentation. No matter the evidence, Amnesty couldn't possibly be wrong because they're reputable. And no matter how much irrefutable evidence Tablet provides - that can never count because you don't like Tablet.
WTF?
What evidence would convince you Amnesty is wrong and Tablet is right?
No, Israel denied they were purposely finding and killing Palestinians in order to harvest their organs. They denied singling out Palestinians. How can you fault Israel for that?
Perhaps wrong? There's no perhaps about it. You really don't get it how all this slander is a HUGE problem that incites hatred and violence against Jews - as it has for the past 20 centuries - and as is happening now throughout Europe. This BTW makes the conflict more impossible to resolve....which is the purpose of such incitement.
Perhaps? WTF?
The OP shouldn't have anything to do with why any decent person should be disgusted by Tamimi.
SMH in disbelief here...
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Amnesty is a worldwide human rights organization that deals with human rights violations all over the world, and it's completely serious in everything they do. Their reports are taken seriously, as they reflect the truth, and their only critics are human rights violators like Israel.
Tablet Mag doesn't compare, it's written by keyboard warriors with no more expertise than you and me.
When it comes to the organ harvesting, Israel is completely responsible for any speculations and calls of blood libel that happened from the time it was first reported in the Swedish newspaper and until the former head of forensic institute came clean about it. Israel knew exactly what was going on, and that organs were harvested from dead Palestinians. Calling true events a blood libel was ill advised.
shira
(30,109 posts)....that Amnesty is wrong and Tablet is right.
Is that correct?
And I noticed that you didn't find one article from Tablet that you can prove is bullshit.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I did take a look at Tablet Mag just now, and apart from the OP, I didn't really find anything that was obviously made up. I don't like their right-wing bias, though.
shira
(30,109 posts)That's called the Halo effect.
They can do no wrong no matter what. Some Catholics believe the same thing about child-molesting Priests who can do no wrong either.
This is no different.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Amnesty wins every time.
shira
(30,109 posts)...with you about I/P. You'll disregard one fact after the next because your mind is already made up about certain things & you cannot be convinced otherwise, no matter the evidence.
What do you fear by acknowledging Amnesty isn't perfect & they're just as corrupt as other organizations out there?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Professor Hiss said in the interview that until the 1990s, pathologists used to harvest organs, especially corneas and skin, from the bodies of soldiers, Israeli civilians, Palestinians and foreign workers, without getting consent from their families. This practice, according to the Channel 2 report, has since been abandoned.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/guardian-our-israeli-organ-harvesting-headline-was-serious-error-1.1451
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)can somehow misunderstand what happened, especially since Israel vehemently denies the whole thing and calls it blood-libel?
Interestingly the correction is minor, but as usual minor issues are very important in the I/P conflict.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)family, if it's not the children it's the father and occasionally the mother too, remember the little boy who was man handled after his arm was broken by Israeli security the guy in the article is his father
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)"Shirley Temper" usually the word Pallywood comes into play and we've even been told Adeh was choosen because she's blonde
I was more focused on The Guardian story and the general myths around organ harvesting.
shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)However, Israel can't be trusted, so anything is possible...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the girl is Ahed Tamimi whom we're told is used because she's blonde
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=20815
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134111926
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The article indicates that this practice went on with a wide variety of different groups of people and that the practice was ended in the 90s. The impression given is something else entirely (namely that Palestinians are being singled out and deliberately killed in order to harvest their organs).
shira
(30,109 posts)On December 12, Amnesty International is co-sponsoring an anti-Islamophobia rally in Brussels, Belgium. Combating bigotry against minorities—which is particularly prevalent in Europe against Muslims and Jews—is an honorable and pressing endeavor. Unfortunately, one of the keynote speakers at Amnesty’s event seems far more interested in stoking such hatred rather than fighting it.
Dyab Abou Jahjah is one of four individuals scheduled to speak at the rally. He has called the 9/11 attacks “sweet revenge,” said Europe made “the cult of the Holocaust and Jew-worshiping its alternative religion,” and labeled gays “AIDS-spreading faggots.” He has also questioned the existence of the Nazi gas chambers, and is a former fighter for the anti-Semitic group Hezbollah, an officially designated terrorist group by the U.S. and European Union. For his hateful activism, Abou Jahjah has been banned in the United Kingdom since 2009.
Viewed on its own, Amnesty’s sponsorship of Abou Jahjah would appear to simply be a case of insufficient vetting, the result of negligence rather than malice. But unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident.
In October, Amnesty drew sharp condemnation for sponsoring a U.S. speaking tour for activist Bassem Tamimi, who was revealed to be posting anti-Semitic material on Facebook. Last April, the organization was criticized after its membership rejected a resolution calling for Amnesty to combat anti-Semitism in Britain. Prior to that, Amnesty’s U.K. branch had failed to discipline a senior official who publicly equated Israel with ISIS.
At this point, then, it is worth asking whether the organization—whatever the merits of its other work—is a credible voice on anti-Jewish bigotry in Europe and the Middle East, or if it is becoming part of the problem.
Requests for comment from Amnesty were not returned as of this writing.
shira
(30,109 posts)Amnesty International has rejected a motion to tackle the rise in antisemitic attacks in Britain at its annual conference. The motion was tabled by Amnesty member Andrew Thorpe-Apps in March who said it was defeated at the International AGM on Sunday by 468 votes to 461.
Mr Thorpe Apps said: “It was the only resolution to be defeated during the whole conference.”
Amnesty International UK press officer Neil Durkin said: "After a really interesting debate where everyone condemned discrimination against all ethnic and religious groups, our membership decided not to pass this resolution calling for a campaign with a single focus. "Amnesty International fights against discrimination in all its forms, and will continue to do so." He said: "Amnesty UK's Board, which supported the resolution, will be considering the outcome of the vote at their next meeting."
In April 2012 the charity published a report into discrimination against Muslims. The report titled Choice and Prejudice Discrimination against Muslims in Europe said: “The aim of this report is to focus on discrimination on grounds of religion or belief and to illustrate some of its consequences on Muslims in Europe.”