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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:43 PM Nov 2015

What does Israel want to say to the world?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/22143-what-does-israel-want-to-say-to-the-world

Israel has something it would like to say to the world. Now that the Palestinians have been angered once again and the period of calmness has ended, Israel wants to tell the world that the tension and clashes that have been occurring over the past few weeks have been motivated by a deep-seated hatred of Jews. That is basically all the Jewish state wants us to know.

Israeli propaganda does not reveal the actual reasons for all of this Palestinian anger and aggression, and it does not dare to use terms such as “military occupation” or “settlement expansion”. It also typically refrains from using important terms such as “Palestine” or “Palestinian people”, as such terms are illogical in Israeli discourse – there is simply no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians, merely unruly subjects of the settler-colonial Israeli project.

What Israel wants to say to the world today is that those very same “Palestinians” should shower the occupation forces with flowers and send out greeting cards to those who have stolen their land and fields, and that the long lines of Palestinians should smile at the occupation forces and the humiliating military checkpoints that have fragmented the West Bank. Israel also wants to proclaim that Arab Jerusalemites should open the doors of Al-Aqsa Mosque every morning and welcome the provocative stormings of those who are dreaming of the mosque’s destruction, while the people of Hebron should not miss a chance to take selfies with the closest armed settler who acts as if he is entitled to the land.

What we are to understand from Israeli propaganda is that life under Israeli military rule is heaven on Earth and that the Palestinians should enjoy this ideal opportunity to bask in the glory that is Israel, the “only democracy in the Middle East”.
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What does Israel want to say to the world? (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 OP
Jews praying quietly outside of a mosque oberliner Nov 2015 #1
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #11
+1 Mosby Nov 2015 #17
one of the most successful aspects of hasbara is to make it appear that each and every act azurnoir Nov 2015 #2
yes, it's always emphasizing our own innocence--that it's just some bolt from the blue by MisterP Nov 2015 #4
And yet nothing causes more rage/anger/violence than the idea of Jews praying near a mosque oberliner Nov 2015 #7
are you seriously still trying to sell that bull puckey? nothing else is going on here azurnoir Nov 2015 #10
From Al Jazeera: Al-Aqsa status quo at the heart of new violence oberliner Nov 2015 #14
From a weeks old article written prior to Kerry's visit azurnoir Nov 2015 #16
That's when the new wave of violence started oberliner Nov 2015 #20
first the current wave started prior to 10/20 the articles date and you only understand 1/2 azurnoir Nov 2015 #21
OK oberliner Nov 2015 #22
Unless it's the idea of women praying at the Western Wall. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #18
Exactly oberliner Nov 2015 #19
World population of Muslims 1.6 Billion King_David Nov 2015 #5
I believe the figure is now closer to 2 billion. grossproffit Nov 2015 #9
But really... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #12
No one thinks this oberliner Nov 2015 #6
this is not what Israel wants to say to the world 6chars Nov 2015 #3
Hossam Shaker is the author of this garbage oberliner Nov 2015 #8
You just described hasbara 101 to a T. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #13
Agreed oberliner Nov 2015 #15
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Jews praying quietly outside of a mosque
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

That's what the "provocative storming" actually is.

And that's what is actually causing the current wave of violence (as the stabbers have admitted).

So here is the message being sent from many corners of the international community:

A small group of Jews praying quietly near a mosque is so egregiously insulting to Islam that stabbing random Israelis in the streets is an entirely justifiable response.

Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. one of the most successful aspects of hasbara is to make it appear that each and every act
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:50 PM
Nov 2015

of violence on the part of the Palestinians occurs in a vacuum, that it is a singular act unrelated to anything else unless of course it can be blamed on Islam, or keeping people so focused on the individual trees that they do not ever see the forest

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. yes, it's always emphasizing our own innocence--that it's just some bolt from the blue by
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:10 PM
Nov 2015

sempiternal Islamdom that just hates without reason and really just needs to get laid

actual history need not apply

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. And yet nothing causes more rage/anger/violence than the idea of Jews praying near a mosque
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:45 PM - Edit history (1)

To say that Islam has nothing to do with the violence is preposterous.

Hopefully that's not actually what you are saying.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. are you seriously still trying to sell that bull puckey? nothing else is going on here
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:53 PM
Nov 2015

why occupation what occupation thank you for proving my point so very perfectly

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. From a weeks old article written prior to Kerry's visit
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:23 PM
Nov 2015

I understand and still you are proving my point, it is anything but the occupation it's all those crazy Muslims

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. That's when the new wave of violence started
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Nov 2015

Just so I am understanding your point correctly, are you suggesting that the perceived desecration of the Al-Aqsa mosque is not what is motivating the recent violent attacks?

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
18. Unless it's the idea of women praying at the Western Wall.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015
Example.

I have to wonder how these same people would react to Muslims wishing to pray at the Western Wall.

I would guess that's the point at which this sort of thing would begin taking on more "complexity" than simple "woman hatred" or "Muslim hatred".
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Exactly
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:58 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone who fails to acknowledge how much religion plays a role in this conflict, especially when it comes to the purported "holy sites" of Jerusalem is completely misunderstanding the situation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. No one thinks this
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:01 PM
Nov 2015

In fact, there is not a conflict anywhere in the world where that is less the case than this one.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
3. this is not what Israel wants to say to the world
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

This is someone putting down words and saying they are words "Israel wants to say."

Be that as it may, it seems to be the case that both (1) Palestinians are facing harsh circumstances that cause them anger (2) there is a deep seated hatred of Jews among Palestinian Arabs, and in the greater Arab and Muslim world.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Hossam Shaker is the author of this garbage
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015

Always important to be aware of the author and where he or she is coming from.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Agreed
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:11 PM
Nov 2015

Pointing out who is saying what is a critical component of both Israeli and Palestinian advocacy.

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