New Jewish settlements planned 'on top of' Bedouin villages

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://972mag.com/new-jewish-settlements-planned-on-top-of-bedouin-villages/114104/

The Israeli government on Sunday approved a plan for five new Jewish settlements to be built in the Negev (Naqab) in the south of Israel. The plan, which was submitted by Housing Minister Yoav Galant of Kulanu, threatens to displace thousands of Bedouin from their homes.

Two of the settlements are due to be built where Bedouin villages already exist, according to the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI). The new town of Daya is to be established on top of the unrecognized village of Katamat, which would displace its 1,500 Bedouin residents. Neve Gurion, meanwhile, is meant to be built on part of the land of the recognized village of Be’er Hadaj, home to 6,000 Bedouin citizens of Israel.

“This decision is a mere continuation of the government’s unequal planning policy, which attempts to move the inhabitants of Bedouin villages to urban or semi-urban settlements or existing townships, which are ranked at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder and are already under significant stress,” ACRI wrote in a statement on Sunday.

The government’s announcement comes just weeks after the unrecognized Bedouin village of Al-Araqib in the Negev was demolished for the 90th time. Israel’s continual razing of Al Araqib began in 2010, and the village has become a symbol of the ethnic discrimination that characterizes the state’s policies in the Negev.

Israel is an apartheid state.

[brush]

1. Indefensible. Where are the Netanyahu apologists now?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. I'd put down good money they're laughing about it right now.

While they pretend to be Democrats.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. Please append your post.

The epithet "Nazi" is in bad form.

[shira]

19. That post was pure filth. Changing one word doesn't make a Jew hating post merely antizionist. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. What don't you see as pure filth unless it is

glowing praise of the aparthied state?

[Little Tich]

11. I'm actually surprised that your post is still here.

I never alert on posts, but if I was on a jury, I would vote for a hide. I don't know who you are, but I would strongly recommend that you stop using the nazi references.

[TacoD]

12. Jury results:

On Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Scums
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=119929

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Anti-semitic filth, please hide and alert MIRT

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:34 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: As a long-standing critic of Likud -- and all they stand for -- myself, this kind of garbage simply lends credence to the rightwing Israeli claim that any criticism of them is actually anti-Semitism.

And such garbage then poisons the ability to make actual, salient criticisms stick.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT/trollish
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Anti-state is not anti-Semitism.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[shira]

18. Unreal that 2 of 7 voted to keep that filth of a post. n/t

[azurnoir]

20. while I agree the now hidden post was vile when it comes to applying the term Nazi to those who are

considered the enemy you take the prize I did a search going back to the beginning of DU3 in 12/11 cross referencing your user name with Nazi and came up with 500+ instances of you using the term some were about actual Nazi but most were applying the term to Palestinian groups, BDS activists and other proPalestinian activists including a swipe at Desmond Tutu where his nazi likeness was strongly insinuated- note none of these posts were hidden it shows a decided double standard here on DU and this is coming from someone who is presently MIRT and has banned someone for using the term in conjuction with Israel within the past 5 days

[shira]

22. Big difference b/w applying Nazi to all Jews (100% vile) vs. any one person (not vile). n/t

[azurnoir]

24. except the post said Israel not all Jews 100%

again vile but IMO it is vile to call anyone a Nazi unless they are actually a Nazi

But only one will get you a hidden post or banned as I said it is a double standard on DU

[shira]

5. Using Bedouin issue as an anti-Israel propaganda tool

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656018,00.html

Enough of the incitement.

Too many Jews are paying for this with their lives.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Ben-Dror Yemeni: everybody's favourite bullshitter for apartheid.

His "opinion" piece doesn't change the facts.

But his hasbarist whining is duly noted.

[shira]

7. How to Identify and Defeat an Internet Troll

Have you ever met an internet troll? A troll is a special class of sociopath.

These nasty individuals are the sadistic ne'er-do-wells of the digital realm, the misanthropic misfits of information age. Unlike a normal person, when a troll enters an online discussion, he is not seeking truth or clarification. He usually doesn't even know how to debate in an intelligent manner. All he wants to do is inflict pain, ridicule, and humiliation on a targeted person.....

http://www.peorian.com/technology/technology-news/trolls-cyberbullies/1079-how-to-identify-and-defeat-an-internet-troll

[King_David]

8. Spot on...and very apt for more than that specific post. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. How to deflect attention away from a losing argument...

Whine about internet trolls that don't exist.



Perhaps if you just wrote "I'm rubber, you're glue" your retort might have been as effective.

[Little Tich]

10. Israel will become an Apartheid state if they go through with this.

To remove people of one ethnicity from their homes to give a place for people of another ethnicity to move in is definitely apartheid. I hope Israel doesn't go through with this, because I won't buy Israeli products anymore if they do.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Israel is an apartheid state.

[Little Tich]

16. I still hope that the situation in Israel will get better. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

14. I'm pretty sure that it qualifies as ethnic cleansing.

And I already refuse to buy Israeli products.

[Little Tich]

15. I think Israel should be considered innocent of any charges until they're proven.

I can't help but feeling that what's going on in Israel can be compared to what's going on in other countries, even though it's necessary to collect examples of discrimination from many countries to get a comparison with Israel. That's pretty bad, but still reversible, which is the situation that has been for a long time. Hopefully, Israel will do the right thing and discriminate less.

However, if Israel takes the plunge into Apartheid, in this case by throwing out people of one ethnicity from their homes so that people of another ethnicity can move in, it won't be reversible. It would mean that the Israeli legal system is rotten to the core and it can't be salvaged. It would also mean that there's not much of a difference between pre and post 1967 Israel - all non-Jews under Israeli rule would be oppressed under various forms of Apartheid.

I'm going to continue buying Israeli products for a while longer because Israeli products are good and reasonably priced, but if Israel goes Apartheid I won't buy anything from Israel or from companies doing business with Israel until Israel becomes a bi-national state with equal rights for everyone.

[shira]

17. Not even remotely close. Read the article in #5 for the facts.

If you want revisionist history, stick to Illan Pappe and Avi Schlaim.

[Little Tich]

23. Ben Dror Yemeni is a liar, but he's good at what he's doing.

Don't let him fool you - he's very right-wing, and he's got no scruples against fabricating evidence for his arguments. I don't really have the time to deconstruct it, but the article you provided is intentionally misleading. It really skirts around the issue why a non-Jewish community has to be uprooted in order to make way for a Jewish one, and it falsely paints a picture where the grateful natives would love to be moved into a model village somewhere else with all kinds of modern amenities.

Please don't forget that this is a big issue for the rest of the world. Demolishing an Arab village in order to build a Jewish one on top it is a big no no. I really hope Israel doesn't go through with this.

[shira]

26. See Oberliner's #25 below. n/t

[oberliner]

25. Anyone of any ethnicity can live in the new community

Including any of the Bedouin who currently are living in the unrecognized villages.

Every single person who would lose their home as a result of this decision would be compensated financially and would be offered housing either in the newly built community or in the pre-existing, recognized Bedouin village that is adjacent to this area.

[Little Tich]

27. The Bedouin can live in Hiran as long as they're religious Jews, because that's who the new

community is slated for.

I'm actually surprised that you're on board with this - this goes well beyond what's expected from Israel's Jewish character, and it will be a game changer if Israel goes through with it. I hope you understand that Israel will face more criticism than usual for this blatant Apartheid.

Here's a NYT article that could perhaps swing you around:

Village of Bedouins Faces Eviction as Israel Envisions a Village of Jews
Source: New York Times, MAY 16, 2015

UMM AL-HIRAN, Israel — Salim al-Qian settled back on his white faux leather couch strewn with pink cushions and took a sip of tea, clearly comfortable in his tiny home in this ramshackle hamlet in the dusty hills of southern Israel. The sense of permanence suggested by his comfort, however, looks to be short-lived.

Mr. Qian and the other members of some 70 Bedouin families are likely to be evicted soon from their homes in the hamlet of Umm al-Hiran, where they have been living since the 1950s. In their place, the Israeli government plans to build a community with nearly the same name, Hiran — but its expected residents will be religious, Zionist Jews.

The government says Umm al-Hiran is on state-owned land that it would like to develop, and it has fought a long legal battle to have the Bedouin families, about 1,000 people, relocated. This month, the Supreme Court ruled in a 2-1 decision that the families would have to leave. The court gave no date for when evictions could begin, and residents intend to appeal the decision.

The Bedouins say they do not want to leave land on which they have been living for more than half a century after being resettled there by the Israeli military. The government has promised compensation in the form of cash and land elsewhere, but the Bedouins say the decision to move them reflects discriminatory policies.

“It is not possible to order one home demolished because it belongs to an Arab and build another for a Jew,” said Mr. Qian, 57, a trader and community leader.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/world/middleeast/village-of-bedouins-faces-eviction-as-israel-envisions-a-village-of-jews.html?_r=0

[oberliner]

28. The OP isn't about Hiran

Did you not read the article?

[Little Tich]

29. Maybe we interpret the OP differently.

From the OP:

The Negev village of Umm el-Hiran is perhaps the most blatant example of how the state hopes to displace Bedouin citizens for the benefit of Jewish citizens. The Israeli Supreme Court recently upheld plans to demolish Umm el-Hiran and build a Jewish town, named Hiran, in its place. Umm el-Hiran’s Bedouin residents would be forcibly relocated to the nearby township of Hura, according to the state’s plans.

Source: http://972mag.com/new-jewish-settlements-planned-on-top-of-bedouin-villages/114104/

[oberliner]

30. The OP is not about Hiran

This is the first paragraph:

The Israeli government on Sunday approved a plan for five new Jewish settlements to be built in the Negev (Naqab) in the south of Israel. The plan, which was submitted by Housing Minister Yoav Galant of Kulanu, threatens to displace thousands of Bedouin from their homes.

This is the link from that paragraph (with an excerpt):

The planned communal villages include Shelach, Neve Gurion, Eshel Hanasi, Vadia and Daniel — named after the late Daniel Tragerman, a four-year-old boy who was killed by mortar fire during the 2014 Gaza war.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-passes-plan-to-build-5-new-negev-towns/

The OP is about these five new towns (which 972 calls "settlements" even though the article it links to with the information does not).

There is a reference to Hiran towards the end as you excerpted above, but it links to an old article from May.

With respect to what this actual article is about, other reporting indicates that the Bedouin will most likely not be displaced at all and will be able to remain where they are.

In fact, the very article it links to in the first paragraph indicates as much (though that is ignored and replaced with contradictory speculation by the author).

[Little Tich]

31. OK, different interpretations then...

The problem is that if Israel starts displacing bedouin so that Jews can move in instead, it will be Apartheid. I'm not so sure that the Bedouin will be allowed to stay where they are, in Umm el-Hiran or the other Bedouin villages.

I know that you're trying to skirt the actual issue, which is that demolishing Bedouin communities so that they can be replaced with Jewish ones, is very, very, wrong. This whole thing looks suspiciously similar to the Prawer Plan, and if Israel if goes through with it, there will be negative consequences. I'm not sure if you tried reading the ACRI article linked to in the OP (http://www.acri.org.il/en/2015/11/22/are-only-jews-allowed-to-live-in-settlements-in-the-negev/), but it seems as if local Bedouin communities will be replaced by Jewish ones, just as the OP said.