Hamas and ISIS Collaborating to Fight Egypt, Report Says

[King_David]

On Tuesday, a report by Ehud Yaari of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy suggested that Hamas and ISIS were cooperating in weapons smuggling to fight a common enemy: Egypt.

“Over the past two years, IS Sinai helped Hamas move weapons from Iran and Libya through the peninsula, taking a generous cut from each shipment,” the report said. According to Yaari, evidence of the collaboration exists through a secret visit to Gaza this month by ISIS military leader Shadi al-Menai, where talks were held with Hamas’s military wing.

Despite their collaboration, numerous ideological and political differences exist between the two terrorist groups.


“Hamas rejects the Salafi-jihadist concept of declaring Muslims as apostates (takfir), if they fail to follow the strict Salafi interpretation,” Prof. Meir Litvak, director of the Alliance Center of Iranian Studies at Tel Aviv University wrote in his article ‘Martyrdom is Life’: Jihad and Martyrdom in the Ideology of Hamas.”

In an interview with The Jerusalem Post, Litvak explained the symbiotic relationship between Hamas and ISIS.


http://jpupdates.com/2015/12/17/hamas-and-isis-collaborating-to-fight-egypt-report-says/

[Nyan]

1. Whoa.

This is a turn of events.

[6chars]

2. This part is funny

"Despite their collaboration, numerous ideological and political differences exist between the two terrorist groups."

Sure, they both believe in terrorist suicide bombing attacks that kill large numbers of innocents, and all sorts of other attacks on civilians, and in rule of Sharia law, and of course in death to Israel.

But they differ about the strict Salafi interpretation.

[geek tragedy]

3. Did A Top Iran Hawk Think Tanker Go Berserk At The Cheney Speech?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/did-a-top-iran-hawk-think-tanker-go-berserk-at-the-cheney-speech

You probably saw this video yesterday of former Vice President Cheney's rather comically ill-timed speech pushing to block the Iran Deal. In it there are some protestors who interrupt Cheney's speech, hold up some signs, all pretty standard stuff. But in the video there's a man who gets into a wild wrestling match with one of the protestors, flailing around his body, doing everything he can to tear her sign apart before finally sitting down.


According to numerous people who know this community well and know the players, the guy epically losing his shit is none other that Patrick Clawson, a top executive at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. While not formally affiliated with AIPAC, WINEP is widely and rightly seen as AIPAC's think tank. Founded in 1985, like AIPAC, it has trended in a more right-leaning direction in the last two decades. Clawson is the Director of Research at the Institute as well as heading up their "Iran Security Initiative". It is not too much to say that Clawson is an uber-Iran hawk and utter opponent of the current deal. He even got in trouble of few years back by appearing to suggest that Israel should create a "false flag" operation to provoke a war with Iran if we were having too hard a time getting one started ourselves.

[King_David]

4. So you think the 2 groups are not cooperating?

What do you see as being the ideological differences between ISIS and Hamas?



ISIS leader to Israel: Palestine will be your graveyard



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134122472

[azurnoir]

5. 'The only country ISIS fears is Israel'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134122621

but Hamas and ISIS are partners seems to have been a fav-o-rite meme for some ever since Operation Protective Edge when IDF killed 2300 in Gaza mostly civilians including 530 children

[King_David]

6. Apparently that's true ,according to a Journalist who was there, and so ?

What do you see as the ideology differences between Hamas and ISIS?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134122472

[azurnoir]

9. here's another of your links -SPECIAL REPORT – Behind enemy lines with ISIS: ‘We fear the IDF’

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134122621#post7

you seem to want to make Palestinians responsible for the actions of ISIS

[geek tragedy]

7. Hamas is a Palestinian nationalist group.

ISIS wants to conquer the entire region and rule it as a caliphate.

Hamas's goal isn't to become part of the ISIS caliphate.

Hamas was fighting ISIS elements in Gaza for all of 2015.

[King_David]

8. Do they differ in ideology, methods , treatment and respect of minorities

Treatment of LGBT or women , respect for democracy, freedom for their people ?

Any differences between the two groups?

[geek tragedy]

10. By that analysis, Iran and Saudi Arabia should be romantic partners nt

[King_David]

11. I agree ... 100%

Thanks.

[geek tragedy]

12. You realize the Iranians and Saudis are practically at war with each other, right? nt

[King_David]

13. Yep

And I don't see any ideological differences between the 2 governments.

[geek tragedy]

14. So you're pretty much conceding that ideology is not a useful barometer for determining

whether there's an alliance or a conflict

[King_David]

15. My question was if there was any ideological differences between Hamas and ISIS...

And I think we both answered that question.

[geek tragedy]

16. Yes, the one big difference is that Hamas is a nationalist group whereas

ISIS is a transnational cult committed to a broader struggle.

Hamas hates Israel and wants it destroyed.

ISIS wants to destroy the states of Iraq and Syria.

[King_David]

17. Ideologically identical extreme religious beliefs

imposed on people they rule over, same terrorist methods, same treatment of women , same treatment of minority's, same hate and treatment of LGBT , same hate of Jews within Israel and worldwide, same hate of Zionists and Zionism, same belief of representing the Palestinians - same ideologically.

[shira]

18. Hamas Interior Minister Calls for Third Intifada and Declares: We Will Establish Islamic Caliphate

Hamas Interior Minister Calls for Third Intifada and Declares: We Will Establish Islamic Caliphate

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4063.htm

[shira]

19. Hamas Cleric: The establishment of a Caliphate that will rule the land and will be pleasing to men

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1877.htm

[shira]

20. Hamas 1988 Covenant calls for Islamic State (Caliphate)

The Islamic Resistance Movement found itself at a time when Islam has disappeared from life. Thus rules shook, concepts were upset, values changed and evil people took control, oppression and darkness prevailed, cowards became like tigers: homelands were usurped, people were scattered and were caused to wander all over the world, the state of justice disappeared and the state of falsehood replaced it. Nothing remained in its right place. Thus, when Islam is absent from the arena, everything changes. From this state of affairs the incentives are drawn.

As for the objectives: They are the fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail, homelands be retrieved and from its mosques would the voice of the mu'azen emerge declaring the establishment of the state of Islam, so that people and things would return each to their right places and Allah is our helper.

As the Islamic Resistance Movement paves its way, it will back the oppressed and support the wronged with all its might. It will spare no effort to bring about justice and defeat injustice, in word and deed, in this place and everywhere it can reach and have influence therein.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp