Yes, Israel Is Executing Palestinians Without Trial

[Little Tich]

Source: Gideon Levy, Haaretz

In 2016, one doesn’t have to be Adolf Eichmann to be executed in Israel – it’s enough to be a teenage Palestinian girl with scissors.

We should call it like it is: Israel executes people without trial nearly every day. Any other description is a lie. If there was once discussion here about the death penalty for terrorists, now they are executed even without trial (and without discussion). If once there was debate over the rules of engagement, today it’s clear: we shoot to kill – any suspicious Palestinian.

Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan outlined the situation clearly when he said, “Every terrorist should know he will not survive the attack he is about to commit” – and almost every politician joined him in nauseating unison, from Yair Lapid on up. Never have so many licenses to kill been handed out here, nor has the finger been so itchy on the trigger.

In 2016, one doesn’t have to be Adolf Eichmann to be executed here – it’s enough to be a teenage Palestinian girl with scissors. The firing squads are active every day. Soldiers, police and civilians shoot those who stabbed Israelis, or tried to stab them or were suspected of doing so, and at those who run down Israelis in their cars or appear to have done so.

In most cases, there was no need to shoot – and certainly not to kill. In a good many of the cases, the shooters’ lives were not in danger. They shot people to death who were holding a knife or even scissors, or people who just put their hands in their pockets or lost control of their car.

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[shira]

1. Gideon Levy supports the torture & killing of Palestinians (Ezra Nawi).

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And here he is advocating for the rights of terrorists.

Levy belongs in an insane asylum.

Here's Levy justifying & inciting more stabbings of elderly Jewish people, kids, babies....

“You thought 300,000 people would acquiesce? That they’d watch settlers invade their homes as city hall denied them minimal services amid maximal property taxes? That they’d look on while the occupier arbitrarily denied them residence status, as if they were migrants in their own city? That they would put up with Jewish gangs beating them up in full view of policemen and forgive…

Did you really think right-wing provocations on the Temple Mount would pass quietly? That the burning of the Dawabsheh family would pass with no response — and even more so the defense minister’s arrogant claims that Israel knew who the perpetrators were but wouldn’t arrest them?”

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.680443

Hamas couldn't say it better.

Support for terrorists, by Gideon Levy. Welcome to the Regressive Left.

People who suffer for whatever reason worldwide do not just become murdering psychopaths of innocents who must be "understood" by intelligent people to be helpless victims deserving of support.

[Little Tich]

2. I actually thought Gideon Levy had overreached himself before I read his article,

but the accusation seems to be justified. Levy doesn't generally make things up.

Please read the OP and try to have an opinion on what it's about.

[shira]

3. I don't read articles of "fact" by anyone who justifies & incites terror attacks.

Sorry.

Arab hating Kahanists do that to justify killing Palestinians - pointing to decades of terror attacks as well as pogroms that preceded the state of Israel. It's vulgar when they do that - and just as ugly when Gideon Levy & his neo-fascist Regressive Leftist friends do it.

I'm wondering why you give any credence to anyone like Levy who supports the torture & murder of Palestinians for selling land to Jews. Anyone supporting, defending or justifying Ezra Nawi should be regarded as poison to the progressive Left.

Find a better source.

[Little Tich]

4. The problem is that Gideon Levy bases his article on reliable sources.

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He specifically cites B'Tselem as a source. I've provided you with the same source, as well as one from Amnesty International on the same subject (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134123387#post8) . You haven''t managed to give me any reason to doubt these sources, and as I draw a similar conclusion as Gideon Levy based on those sources, I simply don't think your refutal of the OP is valid.

[shira]

5. I'm wondering why you give any credence to anyone like Levy who supports the torture....

...and murder of Palestinians for selling land to Jews. That includes B'tselem, as they also defend executing Palestinians.

[Little Tich]

7. Is there any way to coax you into a serious discussion on the issue?

I know already what you think, you've expressed that plenty. But I don't know how and why, which is much more important for me. If you have any good reasons for your opinions, please state them in a way that I could understand. If I'm wrong and you're right, I would like to know.

[shira]

8. Sure - you answer me, I answer you. Agreed? I'm still waiting...

I find it fascinating you believe NGO's & individuals that support the execution of Palestinians and who justify and incite terrorism are credible.

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As to the reliability of organizations like B'tselem, I offer you this, for example:

Israel ‘exceeded legal standards’ in Gaza conflict, military group tells UN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134106200

“Israel’s war was just,” reports Australian general after mission on Gaza conflict
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2015/06/12/israels-war-was-just-reports-australian-general-after-mission-on-gaza-conflict/

Let's remember these NGO's you trust accused Israel of the worst war crimes in Gaza during the 2014 war. They demanded Israel be investigated by a UNHRC dominated & controlled by Saudi Arabia, Congo, Nigeria, Russia, and China (who are on the HRC to immunize themselves against UN condemnation).

There were no reports by any NGO's like B'tselem or Amnesty, nor a report by the UN that included expert military analysis of Israel's actions in Gaza. It's obvious why this was lacking given the expert testimony in the above 2 articles. These military experts destroyed any credibility these politically compromised Human Rights organizations had.

[Little Tich]

9. The killing of civilians in a conflict isn't really a military matter,

and there are no military procedures and circumstances that allow for it.

There are many conflicts in the world where civilians get killed by armed groups / militaries, but the investigating of whether these killings were against the laws of war is often delegated to human rights groups. Their reporting of events bring attention to what's actually happening and help in mitigating the negative effects on civilians in war. These human rights groups, like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have a lot of experience in investigating human rights abuses, and only those who are on the wrong side of things question their impartiality.

When it comes to the war on Gaza, there's no other conflict that I know of where advocacy groups in democratic countries insist on that human rights groups investigating civilian deaths should take the laws of war into account and not question the necessity of the killing of civilians. The way I see it, these right-wing pro-Israel advocacy groups are actually insisting on a double standard when it comes to Israel. No other country gets a free pass when it comes to the killing of civilians.

I really don't think that these human rights groups in their attempts to protect civilians and investigate human rights violations are promoting terrorism in any way. Any means used against civilians that can't stand up to scrutiny shouldn't be used against civilians, at least that is what I believe.

Now, OP please?

[shira]

10. There are Laws of War - known by military experts - that are to be followed in combat.

Every military expert who investigated what Israel did in Gaza found that what they did was covered under the Laws of War, and further, that Israel far exceeded expectations - putting their own soldiers and civilians at risk more than was required by Law.

There were no NGO's who employed any military experts (not even 1 or 2) who could speak to whether or not Israel's military actions were covered under the laws of war.

It's all about motives and intentions - and these experts concluded that Israel's actions that were meant to spare civilian lives went far and above what is expected of countries under the LoW.

OTOH, these NGO's claim Israel intended to do harm to civilians and kill them - something Richard Goldstone couldn't defend a few years ago when his name was on a UN report accusing Israel of the worst intentions. Think about that - Goldstone had to walk that back.

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This is pointless, BTW.

You've already conceded that no amount of evidence would ever lead you to question the credibility of NGO's like Amnesty Int'l. or B'tselem:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134115713#post26

There's nothing that could convince you they're wrong - ever.

You cannot even concede that the Holocaust denying, Jew hating Mahmoud Abbas is inciting, praising, and rewarding these knife attacks that Israel has to respond to. You maintain he's a moderate man of peace.

Really - this relentless Israel bashing is disgusting and shameful.

[shira]

11. I want to see you condemn Gideon Levy for inciting terror attacks & supporting Ezra Nawi.

Can you do that, Yes or No?

I'd say you cannot - because to do so turns your I/P views upside-down and inside-out. Crazy Cognitive Dissonance.

Am I right?

[azurnoir]

6. more listings of a few of the deaths

Last Saturday, soldiers at the Beka’ot checkpoint (called Hamra by the Palestinians) in the Jordan Valley killed businessman Said Abu al-Wafa, 35, a father of four, with 11 bullets. At the same time, they also killed Ali Abu Maryam, a 21-year-old farm laborer and student, with three bullets. The Israel Defense Forces did not explain the killing of the two men, except to say there was a suspicion that someone had drawn a knife. There are security cameras at the site, but the IDF has not released video footage of the incident.

Last month, other IDF soldiers killed Nashat Asfur, a father of three who worked at an Israeli chicken slaughterhouse. They shot him in his village, Sinjil, from 150 meters away, while he was walking home from a wedding. Earlier this month, Mahdia Hammad – a 40-year-old mother of four – was driving home through her village, Silwad. Border Police officers sprayed her car with dozens of bullets after they suspected she intended to run them over.

The soldiers didn’t even suspect cosmetology student Samah Abdallah, 18, of anything. Soldiers shot her father’s car “by mistake,” killing her; they had suspected a 16-year-old pedestrian, Alaa al-Hashash, of trying to stab them. They executed him as well, of course.

They also killed Ashrakat Qattanani, 16, who was holding a knife and running after an Israeli woman. First a settler ran her over with his car, and when she was lying injured on the ground, soldiers and settlers shot her at least four times. Execution – what else?

And when soldiers shot Lafi Awad, 20, in his back while he was fleeing after throwing stones, was that not an execution?

These are only a few of the cases I have documented over the past few weeks in Haaretz. The website of the human rights group B’Tselem has a list of 12 more cases of executions.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.697788

[shira]

12. Extrajudicial Killing! Man with knife killed by Paris police....

Man with knife killed by Paris police on anniversary of Charlie Hebdo attacks
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/europe/paris-gunfire-charlie-hebdo-anniversary/

[shira]

13. Australia executing people! "Man armed with knife shot dead in Australian police station"

Man armed with knife shot dead in Australian police station
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/man-armed-with-knife-shot-dead-in-australian-police-station-716389.html

[shira]

14. War Crime! "Germany police shoot Berlin Islamist after knife attack"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34284044

[shira]

15. Where is the UN to investigate? "Armed Assailant Is Shot, Killed After Courthouse Knife Attack "

Armed Assailant Is Shot, Killed After Courthouse Knife Attack
http://abovethelaw.com/2015/08/armed-assailant-is-shot-killed-after-courthouse-knife-attack/