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Related: About this forumPalestinian girl, 13, shot dead after trying to stab Israeli guard - police
A 13-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead by an Israeli security guard she tried to stab at a settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, Israeli police said on Saturday.
It was the latest fatality in an almost four-month-long surge of violence that has raised concern of wider escalation, a decade after the last Palestinian uprising subsided, and it followed two stabbings this week inside settlements carried out by Palestinian teenagers, according to Israeli authorities.
Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said initial investigations showed the teenager "had fought with her family and left her home with a knife and intending to die".
Holding a knife, she ran toward the security guard at the entrance to Anatot settlement and he opened fire at her, Samri said. Her father arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and was arrested, she added.
http://in.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-idINKCN0V109D
6chars
(3,967 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....attempting to murder them.
Reminds me of New Year's assaults and rapes in Cologne when the women there were being blamed, rather than the innocent nice young men who were just trying to be gentlemen around them.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)15:01
Teen would-be stabbers father says attack helps Palestine
The father of the 13-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead as she attempted to stab an Israeli guard outside the West Bank settlement of Anatot says her death helps al-Aqsa, its guardians, and Palestine, the Walla news website reports.
According to Arabic reports, the father says the knife the girl carried couldnt even peel a potato.
read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hebron-schools-shuttered-as-snow-blankets-west-bank/
shira
(30,109 posts)It really looks bad to defend Jew hating attempted murderers while blaming those defending themselves. It's as ridiculous as blaming women rather than the men assaulting them.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)her.
I strongly suspect that there's an Israeli shoot to kill policy when it comes to Palestinian attackers. I think shooting to kill when it's not necessary is tantamount to murder.
FBaggins
(26,729 posts)... without learning how stupid it is to attack an armed soldier with a knife.
But in a society that actually plans to benefit from the deaths of their children? It's all too possible.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)those the police have delegated powers to.
FBaggins
(26,729 posts)He apparently tried running away. He certainly doesn't have a duty to risk his own life further if she's attacking him.
It would be interesting to hear what you think her duty was.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)As was reported by MEMO on Saturday, the latest victim of this brutality is a 13-year old Palestinian girl who was executed by an Israeli security guard in occupied East Jerusalem on Saturday. How many more young people have to have their lives cut short in this way before the international community says enough is enough and does something to rein-in the monster that it has created called the State of Israel?
The propaganda war is very difficult because it is driven by widespread anti-Semitism and delegitimisation of Israel, said Yaalon this week, and so it is hard to fight it. Only in the warped mind of a Zionist could criticism of a state - supposedly the only democracy in the Middle East; another myth - be brushed aside as racist anti-Semitism; or that condemnation of Israels right to kill Palestinians with impunity in the name of self-defence somehow delegitimises the state. In the real world, Israels own very illegal actions do that; it needs no help from the critics or anyone else. Whatever legitimacy the state may have had has been eroded by its blatant disregard for international laws and conventions ever since it was founded on Palestinian land in 1948. Indeed, as a state built upon the terrorism of the Stern Gang, Irgun and Haganah, it is debateable whether there ever was any legitimacy in the first place.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/23510-how-many-more-israeli-myths-will-be-peddled-to-justify-the-killing-of-children
shira
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Thanks for the article defending terrorist acts though.
Nice gig for Hamas and the PA when they can incite and reward terror against Jews and STILL manage to get Jews blamed for it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but then again one in every minyan
King_David
(14,851 posts)a Gay dude , that's important to you huh?
Huh ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to form a synagogue
King_David
(14,851 posts)Ha ha ha
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)2 members of this group.
Not sure what you getting at ...
But WTF is with this continued Gay obsession?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Star Member King_David (13,720 posts)
26. You keep saying that , don't think you even know what it means , unless you like to keep calling me
a Gay dude , that's important to you huh?
Huh ?
הַסְבָּרָה hasbará, "explaining" - it ain't a dirty word. LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=123971
King_David
(14,851 posts)Clueless
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and clueless no- just not bound by what an open ended phrase means to someone else
King_David
(14,851 posts)But not the established meaning ?
You think now it's not offensive?
Just you ?
Well , how convenient is that ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I think it means in any group of people there will be differences and they should be accepted- and you? it offends you?
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's talking about the prevalence of LGBTQ among the Jewish people- 10%
That's THE meaning of "one in every minyan "
shira
(30,109 posts)....had every right to massacre German kids and elderly based on the hell they had just experienced.
The Holocaust didn't just turn ordinary people into child-killing psychotics.
Jew hating murderers don't need any reason to kill Jews & they never have throughout history, including Hamasniks and those they incite against Jews.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and you're comparing Palestinians to Holocaust survivors and Israelis to Germans-really ?
shira
19. You're defending the indefensible, like saying Holocaust survivors....
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....had every right to massacre German kids and elderly based on the hell they had just experienced.
The Holocaust didn't just turn ordinary people into child-killing psychotics.
Jew hating murderers don't need any reason to kill Jews & they never have throughout history, including Hamasniks and those they incite against Jews.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=123957
shira
(30,109 posts)Bad people do bad things. Hamas, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc...
Point to another situation in the world where an oppressed person is defended or understood for murdering random kids or elderly people.
I'll wait.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Good attempt at trying to justify terror attacks on innocent kids and elderly.
Exactly what to expect on a liberal board.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)That's not an act of desperation any normal 13 year old would act on.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it was suicide by cop
shira
(30,109 posts)Do you personally know of any teens who take out their frustration on innocent people, and further, do you defend or justify their acts - placing blame on their victims for defending themselves?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Only in a bizzaro upside down universe.
Any other non Jewish country if someone, teen or adult attacks with a knife , and gets killed in the process, it's called self defense.
shira
(30,109 posts)There is just as much or even more sympathy for terrorists & attempted murderers than for the innocents they're attacking.
Reminds me of the attacks on women in Germany for being victims of sexual assaults on New Year's eve.
It's shameful.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or are you just feeling frustrated that the Israeli government wound up with a bit of egg on it's face over the arrests of 3 leftists on charges that seem something written by Kafka ?
shira
(30,109 posts)Even better that the Jew hating psychopaths receive more sympathy than their victims.
Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and the PA along with every neo-Nazi on earth must be laughing their asses off.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)very polite at that
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)than the adult male 'she's' allegedly chasing and I say allegedly because the whole thing is so blurry that it's hard to tell all brought to us by an allegedly Palestinian channel that appeared very recently and uses the hallmarks of Israeli propaganda video's
shira
(30,109 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)That's tinfoil ridiculous... Capital R
Characterizing attacking a superior armed representative of the authority occupying your home as the "psychopathic murder of innocents" is, at best, deranged.
shira
(30,109 posts)The knife attacks and car rammings are aimed at little toddlers and elderly people.
Think they deserve that?
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Because it is not. It's about this girl, and this armed guard. Try to keep your reactions on topic.
shira
(30,109 posts)But to keep it on topic, there are no other instances in the world where armed guards are questioned for having shot someone attempting to kill them.
Israelis are always the aggressor, even when under attack.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...where it's considered a problem when "gun armed authority figure shoots and kills disturbed/distraught 13 year old child with knife."
Have you been living under a rock by any chance?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Welcome back..
Never recognized you ...
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)I think many Palestinians have a mistaken idea that if they increase the terrorism against Israel, Israel will go away. The problem with this logic is (1) Israel unlike colonial powers with which some loonies confuse it has nowhere to go, and (2) Israel has a great deal of power. If push really comes to shove in the form of terrorism that makes daily life untenable for Israelis, it will not work out well at all for the Palestinians. They are getting some bad advice from people who just enjoy seeing the conflict.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Amoral ass wipes.