Hamas's forever war against Israel has a glitch, and it isn't Iron Dome

[FBaggins]

Why Hamas promises another war soon, and another and another. And why it won’t work

‘How do we expel the Jews?’

In the mid-1990s, two IDF major generals were coming to the end of their long and storied military careers. Meir Dagan had led everything from commando squads to armored brigades and would later go on to serve as director of the Mossad. Yossi Ben Hanan, after serving as one of Israel’s most successful tank commanders in the 1973 war, would go on to lead the armored corps and the IDF’s R&D arm — though he is most famous for the 1967 Life magazine cover photo of his 22-year-old self standing in the waters of the Suez Canal, a symbol of Israeli vitality and military success.

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When the Israelis rose to leave, Giap suddenly turned to the Palestinian issue. “Listen,” he said, “the Palestinians are always coming here and saying to me, ‘You expelled the French and the Americans. How do we expel the Jews?’”

The generals were intrigued. “And what do you tell them?”

“I tell them,” Giap replied, “that the French went back to France and the Americans to America. But the Jews have nowhere to go. You will not expel them.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamass-forever-war-against-israel-has-a-glitch-and-it-isnt-iron-dome/

[Lithos]

1. This is one of the themes of the conversation

There are some who view Jews as being immigrants from other countries such as Germany, the United States, etc. and fundamentally interlopers and not tied to the land.

There are also some who view Palestinians as really Syrians or Jordanians and also interlopers - and thus not tied to the land.

IMHO, they both are wrong. This is a land of two peoples - the question is how does it occur in a peaceful manner for both people?

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[WHITT]

2. The Big Mistake

occurred in 2000 at Camp David. President Clinton offered up to Israel, control of the Temple Mount, control of East Jerusalem (within the parameters of Jerusalem being an international city), and swapouts in the West Bank. Arafat agreed. PM Barack made a cowardly and fateful rejection.

They thought they could just 'contain' the Palestinian 'problem', but two decades later, more than 20% of the population is now Arab, and GEE, they identify with the Palestinians, along with most of the rest of the non-fascist planet, including a rising number of younger generations of Americans.

[Lithos]

3. Lots of mistakes have been made on all sides

Both sides have over-played their hands multiple times. Typically when one leader starts thinking in terms of not what's best for their country, but in terms of what makes them look strongest politically. Ie, instead of being flexible, chose ideology instead.