IDF in heavy firefight with terrorists on Gaza border

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Dozens of mortars rained down on Israel Sunday night and a heavy firefight broke out between Palestinian terrorists and IDF soldiers near the Kerem Shalom Crossing.

Meanwhile, at least 13 Egyptian policemen were killed and seven wounded in an armed attack on a police station in North Sinai on the border between Egypt and Israel on Sunday, medical and security sources said. Egyptian state television reported that an Islamist militant group was behind the attack.

It was not clear if the fighting between the IDF and Gaza terrorists was related to the incident in Sinai. The attackers used a stolen police vehicle to launch the attack, security sources said, and fired live ammunition at police officers at the station.

The mortar fire on Israel began at around 8 p.m., likely in retaliation to an Israeli airstrike earlier in the day against a global jihad terror cell which the IDF said was in the final stages of launching an attack against Israel along the Egyptian border. One terrorist was killed in the strike and another was seriously injured.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=280155

[leveymg]

1. I object to the blanket use of the term "terrorists" to describe combatants, just because they're

Palestinians.

It should be reserved for those who commit indiscriminate acts of violence against civilians.

[physioex]

2. I saw the title and knew this article would be biased....

The "lame stream media" does exist.

[leveymg]

3. It's JPost - was Conrad Black's paper in Israel.

JPost fas gone through a lot of ownership and ideological changes.

[physioex]

4. One of our biggest failure is linguistics...

They always frame the issues with terms like "death tax", and "pro-life". And we use cheesy terms like "global warming" which they always turn on us.

[holdencaufield]

5. You're correct of course

However there is really no way to distinguish one from another as all the forces in Gaza -- the ones firing rockets at civilians and the ones engaging Egyptian and Israel forces -- decline to wear uniforms and routinely mask their faces.

Unfortunately -- the term just stuck.

[bemildred]

8. Yes, it's getting to the point where a new word will be needed

The old one is losing it's punch.

[pelsar]

6. the choices....

The fresh round of violence came hours after the Israeli Air Force bombed a motorbike in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, striking a global jihad terrorist who the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) said had been plotting a terror attack along the Egyptian border for weeks

this particular person, i shall call Mike2. Mike 1 was the hamasnik that for weeks rode his motorcycle up and down the egyptian security road that runs parallel to the israeli/egyptian border, taking notes, videos and pictures of the IDF patrols. Eventually those notes turned into the attack on israel killing civilians. The IDF knew of mike1, watched him, watched the egyptians ignore him and did nothing.....result: israeli dead.

option 2 comes along: Same planning, same note taking......this time the IDF decided not to wait for the attack and killed the planner before the attack was prepared.

i personally prefer option 2 as the better choice, but then again i have a personal stake in the matter and its not some theoretical game.

[leveymg]

9. Please link report of Mike1 attack on civilians. Can translate on this end. Thnx

[pelsar]

10. did you miss the attack in August 18, 2011

civilian bus 392 traveling on Highway 15 was attacked.... 2 civilian cars

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2089467,00.html

[leveymg]

11. That's exactly my point!

What headlines described as a terrorist attack in the desert just north of the Israeli resort city of Eilat was in fact a sustained assault, a complex military attack that included missiles, mortars, improvised explosive devices, small arms and, on the bodies of two of the seven assailants killed, explosive vests. Israeli security officials had been tracking the militants from the Gaza Strip, where plans were laid for the attack, into the lawless Sinai desert that since the fall of Hosni Mubarak has offered a more and more accessible back door to Israel. But somehow, the militants found a way to strike first, killing seven Israelis on a lonely desert highway.

"It wasn't supposed to end this way," a senior Israeli intelligence officer tells TIME. "And now we have to find out why it didn't end the way it should have."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2089467,00.html#ixzz22mRBRzoB

[pelsar]

12. whats your point?....that they planned to attack civilians?

they planned an attack, the IDF knew if would happen sometime, and let the guy plan it without "bothering him." eventually they did attack:

they avoided attacking the daily military patrols, the military outposts and instead as per their plan attacked the civilian busses and cars.

i would say thats a pretty good definition of a terrorist attack.
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of course it could be that some define targeting civilians as perfectly legit...hamas sure does.

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7. 16 Egypt border guards killed, Islamists suspected

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It was one of the bloodiest attacks in Sinai in years and the deadliest against Egyptian troops, underlining the growing lawlessness of the Egyptian territory, where security forces have become targets of militants, some loosely linked with al-Qaida.

Israeli military spokeswoman Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich said one vehicle exploded, and Israeli aircraft struck the second one. Israeli government spokesman Ofir Gendelman said on his Twitter account that seven militants were killed, four on the Israeli side and three in Egypt.

Leibovich said Israeli soldiers were combing the area for other militants who might still be on the Israeli side of the border. The military instructed Israeli civilians to stay inside their homes.

An Egyptian military official said Egyptian troops were pursuing the militants who returned to Egypt. He said the attackers used three vehicles.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjhL3UUOEpqqKUnky-YQqo6jEZEQ?docId=362b48e0f7db409a8c48b2372d917e9a

[bemildred]

13. Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood blames Sinai attack on Mossad

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said on its website on Monday that the attack on a police station in Sinai on Sunday in which 16 policemen were killed "can be attributed to Mossad" and was an attempt to thwart Islamist President Mohamed Morsi.

The statement said the Mossad was trying to abort the Egyptian uprising that toppled former President Hosni Mubarak last year and that it was "imperative to review clauses" of the agreement between Egypt and Israel.

Egypt branded the Islamist gunmen behind the attack as "infidels" and promised on Monday to launch a crackdown following the massacre that has strained Cairo's ties with both Israel and Palestinians.

The bloodshed represented an early diplomatic test for Morsi, who took office at the end of June after staunch U.S. ally Hosni Mubarak was overthrown last year in a popular uprising.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egypt-s-muslim-brotherhood-blames-sinai-attack-on-mossad-1.456403

[King_David]

14. That is called experienced and sophisticated

New government.

Next the Penis Shrinkers.