Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumDecember bombings of ammunition storages in middle of Gazan civilian area kill and injure civilians
January 5, 2012
A little after 2:00 A.M. on 9 December 2011, Israeli aircraft fired two missiles at a compound of Hamass military wing, the Az-a-Din al-Qassam Brigades, northwest of Gaza City. Another missile, which was fired a minute or so later, caused a large explosion and fire. The intensity of the blast apparently caused secondary explosions of ammunition stored in the compound. According to information obtained by B'Tselem, rockets had been fired from the area into Israel shortly before the attack.
The missiles and secondary explosions damaged nearby houses. One of the houses, located only a few meters from the compound, collapsed on its occupants. The father of the family, Bahajat a-Zalan, 37, was severely injured in the blast and died a short time later. His son, Ramadan, 10, was critically injured and died later that day. Another son, Yusef, 8, was also seriously injured. Other houses near the compound were damaged, and one was totally destroyed.
Miqdad a-Zalan, 19, Bahajat a-Zalans nephew, whose house is situated next to the house that collapsed, described the events to B'Tselem:
. . . I heard my uncle Bahajat say: Miqdad, go to the children. I jumped over the fence separating our house from Uncle Bahajats house. . . [Under the debris,] Bahajat was hugging his baby son, Ahmad, and his wife, Saada. Saada cried out to me, Save Ahmad. I got Ahmad out from under the debris and went out of the house. . . I returned to Saada to remove her from under the debris. While I was doing that, a third blast shook the whole area. The debris covered me and Saada. I started looking for my cousins in the next room and found Ramadan, 10, and Yusef, 8, who were unconscious due to the smoke of the missiles and the destruction. I also found Rimah, 3, sitting cramped over in the corner of the room. Iman, 5, was sleeping and had not been injured, and I realized she was alive.
I returned again to lift Saada from under the debris, and then I saw that my uncle Bahajat was alive. He said to me, Youre responsible for my children. I picked up his upper body and laid it on my lap and then began to clear the ruins around him. But I didnt succeed. I began to press on his chest to help him breathe, and then cleared the debris from around him and laid him there, until he died.
in full: http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20120105_army_bombing_gaza_dec_2011
vminfla
(1,367 posts)There never seems to be a shortage of "victims". Yet, the video shows something completely different.
Who are you going to believe? These "victims" or your own lying eyes?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Palestinians as Palestinians..how rich.
snip* However, Hamass breach of international law by storing ammunition in a residential area did not grant Israel the automatic right to bomb it. The warehouse was indeed a legitimate military object, but Israel had the obligation to prevent, as far as possible, harm to civilians. Therefore, it was allowed to attack these targets only after it had taken all feasible means to minimize harm to civilians.
This included warning the civilians prior to the bombing so that they could leave the area. The decision to carry out the attack specifically in the middle of the night, when the residents were likely to be in their homes, increases the likelihood that civilians would be harmed.
The film presented by the IDF Spokesperson that documents the second attack clearly shows a civilian structure next to the target bombed by the air force. Therefore, military officials cannot claim that the army did not know civilians were in the area.
In a letter to the Military Advocate Generals Corps, B'Tselem demanded that an investigation be opened into the circumstances of the two incidents.
vminfla
(1,367 posts)Not only was the terrorist facility surgically removed, but the surrounding neighbors were phoned in order to clear out the area. Miqdad is a professional victim.
*snip*
After 20 rockets struck southern Israel over the weekend, endangering the lives of over 1,000,000 Israeli civilians, the Israeli Air Force targeted a Hamas weapons storage site in northern Gaza.
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) confirmed direct hits on Hamas terrorist facilities which were embedded deep into the Gazan population. Despite Hamas' tactics of using its own Palestinian population centers as a human shield, the IAF does its best to solely target armed terrorists and avoid any civilian casualties.
The IDF will not allow any attempt to harm the State of Israel and IDF soldiers, and will continue to operate against anyone who uses terror against the State of Israel. The Hamas terror organization is solely responsible for any terror activity emanating from the Gaza Strip.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)vminfla
(1,367 posts)Just like Miqdad is a professional "victim", B'Tselem is a professional "victims" advocacy group.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)the reputation of the IAF by the IAF.
You accept as fact what the United State military states to be accurate too perhaps.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)IAF bombed a weapons depot knowing it would cause injury to civilians living next door to it and then blames Hamas for the deaths?
Israel seems incapable of taking responsibility for the results of its actions, IDF knew exactly what they were doing and what the results would be
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the Israeli video proves Israel knew that civilians lived very close by the weapons depot or are we to believe that IDF did not know that bombing a weapons depot would cause the weapons held there to explode? Israel bombed the weapons depot with the prior knowledge that civilians would harmed as a result the secondary explosion excuse simply holds no water Israel is responsible for the deaths and injuries of Palestinian civilians that came as a result of its actions
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... we're not going to discuss the morality of putting a huge explosives cache in the middle of a heavily populated civilian area?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Hamas breached the fundamental principle of international humanitarian law, that civilians must be kept outside the cycle of hostilities.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... it was MENTIONED in the OP, but not discussed here. We discussed "did the IAF call all the families in the area?" But we didn't discuss the fact that Hamas was storing heavy explosives -- explosives for the purpose of killing Israeli civilians -- in an building surrounded by blocks of flats.
Is Hamas justified in doing that because of the "occupation" of Gaza?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)there is no justification to aim for civilians. In this case it is clearly stated: ...that civilians must be kept outside the cycle of hostilities." Their own population.
They do have a right to defend themselves in conflicts with the Israeli military.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... that you're wrong. Hamas does not attack the IDF and accidentally hit civilians. Every Hamas attack is indiscriminately aimed at civilian areas and they have made no attempt to specifically target uniformed IDF soldiers or IDF facilities.
Unless of course, Hamas claims that clearly marked school buses are, in fact, camouflaged IDF vehicles.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)They have targeted civilians, as I already said....they're a armed resistance movement. They also have defended themselves in armed
conflicts with the Israeli military. No need to be snarky with your camouflaged IDF vehicles line.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that Hamas also is responsible for putting a weapons depot near civilians
well unless of course you do not count what it says in the article