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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:24 AM Mar 2013

Anti-Semitic poster kills debate on Zionism in Belgium

A Belgian municipality has cancelled a debate on Zionism following complaints about organizers’ use of anti-Semitic imagery to advertise the event.

The event, planned by the Brussels branch of the Belgian Socialist Party, was cancelled on Monday following criticism of a poster showing a caricature of a snake-eyed Israeli soldier wearing the mask of an ultra-Orthodox Jew. The soldier is depicted holding one finger on the scales of justice, tipping it toward a single white man. A group of people of color are depicted on the other side.

“This kind of caricature that stigmatizes an entire community is of course unacceptable in form and essence,” Vittorio Mettewie, the Socialist Party president for the area of Molenbeek, is quoted as saying on Sudinfo.be, a news website.

Mettewie also said there were "Nazi overtones" to the caricature, which advertised the event titled, “Let’s talk freely and seriously about Zionism.”

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/03/05/3121191/anti-semitic-poster-kills-debate-on-zionism-in-belgium

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Anti-Semitic poster kills debate on Zionism in Belgium (Original Post) oberliner Mar 2013 OP
I'm with Mettewie on this one. Here's the image Scootaloo Mar 2013 #1
Yup. There's no need for this ever. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #11
AntiZionism is an extremist anti semitic stance King_David Mar 2013 #12
Well-argued! Scootaloo Mar 2013 #14
Hardly an expert King_David Mar 2013 #15
Okay, I guess you're right. You're as ignorant as they come Scootaloo Mar 2013 #17
That nasty reply doesn't deserve any response King_David Mar 2013 #18
Hey, don't cry when someone slings your shit right back at you. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #19
Which part was you ? King_David Mar 2013 #20
Dave, we both know I have an antizionism position Scootaloo Mar 2013 #21
Who is "Dave" ? nt King_David Mar 2013 #22
"we both know I have an antizionism position" King_David Mar 2013 #24
Again, you're not making an argument, just an appeal to authority. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #25
Isn't that the official poster from the Durban Conference? holdencaufield Mar 2013 #2
Actually via google image search... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #3
Real charmer, that cartoonist. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #26
Seems like he just tosses everythin together and calls it a day. No finesse. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #28
truly vile DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #29
I can't figure that one out Scootaloo Mar 2013 #30
I think we wanted to call Obama a racial slur geek tragedy Mar 2013 #31
My best guess DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #32
Sharp increase of the number of anti-Semitic incidents in Belgium Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #4
Not at all King_David Mar 2013 #33
I notice there is an American flag on the uniform as well. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #5
It could be read that way, except for one thing... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #7
I think that's the point of it. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #23
Disgusting poster indeed azurnoir Mar 2013 #6
It's not too bad oberliner Mar 2013 #9
so the fact that Vittorio Mettewie, the Socialist Party president the party sponsoring the debate azurnoir Mar 2013 #10
"the cartoon could be misinterpreted as it wasn’t put in context or a historical framework” oberliner Mar 2013 #13
wow must azurnoir Mar 2013 #16
Mettewie is right; that's a nasty image. LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #8
Yikes, that's premium grade Jew hate. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #27
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. I'm with Mettewie on this one. Here's the image
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:36 AM
Mar 2013


There's no "but..." to be said on this one. Whoever commissioned that needs to be out of a job.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. AntiZionism is an extremist anti semitic stance
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:19 PM
Mar 2013

And most anti Zionists in the USA are extreme right wing antisemites.

So there's no surprise here.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. Well-argued!
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 04:33 PM
Mar 2013

If anyone's an expert on far-right extremist antisemitism, it's gonna be you, I figure. Please, share your wisdom.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
17. Okay, I guess you're right. You're as ignorant as they come
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:07 PM
Mar 2013

Sorry, didn't mean to erroneously portray you as having your shit together.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. Hey, don't cry when someone slings your shit right back at you.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:28 PM
Mar 2013

If you want to call me a far-right extremist antisemite in response to a post of mine condemning antisemitism, then you have no room to complain when I respond in kind.

Harahefet sh'eli mele'ah betzlofahim

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. Dave, we both know I have an antizionism position
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:41 PM
Mar 2013

In fact I've gone into some detail about it with you. So, when you state that it's an "extremist right-wing antisemitic position" you are calling me an extremist right-wing antisemite.

Which I guess is fine, I think the same about you and the rest of the "Lyin' 4 Zion" bunch around here, fair is fair. But at least have the spine to own up to it, and don't expect polite replies in turn.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
24. "we both know I have an antizionism position"
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

I must admit its shocking to find such a position on a liberal website such as DU especially one that supports the USA Democratic Party ideals and positions and those of our Zionist suppprting president .

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
25. Again, you're not making an argument, just an appeal to authority.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:42 AM
Mar 2013

And it's not even an honest appeal. You're conflating diplomatic relations with endorsement of a political philosophy. By this logic, the Democrats are Right-Center-Left-Communo-Social-Capitalist, Islamo-Zionist National Republican Federal Monarchical Fascists... and so are the Republicans, for that matter.

...Which is probably represented by political parties in both Italy and India.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
2. Isn't that the official poster from the Durban Conference?
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:46 AM
Mar 2013

Were they concerned about accusations of plagiarism?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Actually via google image search...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:53 AM
Mar 2013

It's probably "borrowed" - it's a piece done by the French artist "Zeon" - and it predates 2009, at least.

Some other examples:



DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
32. My best guess
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:23 PM
Mar 2013

and the word guess is the key is that he is making fun of people hoping Obama would be different than the white people.

Behind the Aegis

(53,934 posts)
4. Sharp increase of the number of anti-Semitic incidents in Belgium
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:54 AM
Mar 2013

BRUSSELS (EJP)---Belgium registered a sharp increase in the number of reported anti-Semitic offences in 2012, according to the governmental agency Centre for Equal Opportunities and Fight Against Racism.

Edouard Delruelle, who heads the center, mentioned an ibcrease of 30% with his organisation having received 88 complaints of anti-Semitism last year, compared to 62 in 2011 and 57 the year before that.

“The Jewish community is right to be concerned,” Delruelle told Belgian daily La Dernière Heure.

“The figures show that anti-Semitism persists in Belgium. These figures are merely indicative, the tip of the iceberg, because many victims do not report.”

The figures for 2012 include 11 cases of vandalism, 15 verbal assaults on the street, 13 Holocaust denials and 28 insults made online.

more: http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/western_europe/65155

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Not all that surprising.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
5. I notice there is an American flag on the uniform as well.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 04:01 AM
Mar 2013

I wonder why he's wearing the mask. The mask says to me that whomever is wearing it is trying to blame the Jews for the injustice and fundamental unfair nature of the rigged system. Who is wearing the mask? If the American flag on the sleeve is there alone I think some might agree with the graphic. As there is also an Israeli flag on the sleeve, I find it confusing.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. It could be read that way, except for one thing...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:35 AM
Mar 2013

The mask conveys no sympathy.

It's the standard "ugly Jew" caricature - gigantic nose, he's hairy, has a sloped brow, wearing a scowl. This is the usual guise used for negative portrayal of Jews as a group. The person viewing the image is supposed to see "Jew," and be repulsed by it. If the mask were to convey the idea that Jews were being blamed or exploited, it would not take the form of a depiction intended to denigrate and dehumanize Jews. If it were the intent of the artist to convey that Jews are being framed, then woah nelly did he fail. Instead it sends the message that Jews are themselves devils in disguise.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
23. I think that's the point of it.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:58 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:34 PM - Edit history (1)

It's a hideously ugly caricature because that's the image they want portrayed. How are you going to elicit the hatred and anger necessary to scapegoat someone by painting them with a sympathetic face?

While there are plenty of Jewish people in banking and corporate industry, the real power is with the W.A.S.P. blue blood old money. That's who has their finger on the scale in reality. That's who is wearing the mask in my opinion. Directing the blame from where it should be placed.

The Israeli flag on the uniform is what throws everything into confusion for me. Could it be saying that 1%er Jews are happy to throw their countrymen to the wolves for their own benefit?

Whatever message is being conveyed here is lost because of ambiguous presentation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. It's not too bad
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:45 PM
Mar 2013

In fact, it tells you what the debate was going to look like.

The organizer has justified the cartoon, saying it was taken out of context.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. so the fact that Vittorio Mettewie, the Socialist Party president the party sponsoring the debate
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:52 PM
Mar 2013

is also the one that canceled due to this disgusting poster meaningless
thaqnks I could not have asked for more

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. "the cartoon could be misinterpreted as it wasn’t put in context or a historical framework”
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:28 PM
Mar 2013

Among the speakers of the planned event were to be the long-time mayor of Molenbeek and Belgian Senator Philippe Moureaux and Yves Goldstein, head of Cabinet of Socialist Deputy Prime Minister Laurette Onkelinx. A PS official told a Belgian newspaper that ‘the cartoon could be misinterpreted as it wasn’t put in context or a historical framework.”

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/13230/anti_semitic_cartoon_used_for_brussels_debate_on_zionism

Could be misinterpreted?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. Yikes, that's premium grade Jew hate.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:54 AM
Mar 2013

All that was missing was the matzo soaked in blood and the Christ Killer motif.

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