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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:20 AM Mar 2013

Women's Day: 'We need extra workshops for men'

Zeinab al-Ghneimi, the head of a women's research center, told Ma'an that "we as women are moving backward and there is no development.

"We are still marginalized in this society and the latest example is the Gaza marathon. Women were banned from practicing sports at this marathon -- we don't even have the right to work out."

Fatah leader Nibras Bseiso told Ma'an that "we are glad that there are women in ministries, but we want an increase in the existence of women in ministries and leadership positions."

A female activist from Gaza, Maha Bheisi, congratulated women on the occasion, saying Palestinian women had suffered and were still suffering from the Israeli occupation in addition to their society and a "culture that is related to 100 years ago."

Bheisi told Ma'an that Palestinian women "didn't achieve anything in the last seven years until now," especially in the domain of jobs. Most women are jobless in Gaza, she said.

The activist stressed that Palestinian internal division had a lot to with harming women's roles.

She pointed out that there are many organizations that work for women, "but patriarchy still blocks this awareness and progress for many reasons."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=572740

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Women's Day: 'We need extra workshops for men' (Original Post) oberliner Mar 2013 OP
"Woman's Day - washing " King_David Mar 2013 #1
What do you want? delrem Mar 2013 #2
Hamas' culture and beliefs King_David Mar 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Mar 2013 #5
ah Hamas culture I did not know Hamas was a culture azurnoir Mar 2013 #7
You don't think a Jew and gay and women King_David Mar 2013 #8
Not the question but thanks for the answer azurnoir Mar 2013 #10
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Mar 2013 #4
You have no idea what you are talking about delrem Mar 2013 #6
Nonsense nt King_David Mar 2013 #9
that may be a piece of it cali Mar 2013 #11
I agree that it isn't everything. delrem Mar 2013 #12

King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. "Woman's Day - washing "
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:26 AM
Mar 2013

These threads are largely ignored in this forum .

Your spoiling the "Agenda".

(You will be called a Hasburrito enchslato - or something like that )

delrem

(9,688 posts)
2. What do you want?
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

As you always say, you "expect crickets", but considering that nobody contributing to this group supports Hamas' agenda, esp. the supra-Islamist agenda and that agenda w.r.t. women's rights, what do you expect contributors to this group to say?

Surely you can't expect someone who cares about the rights of Palestinians to assert that the religious backwardness of Hamas excuses and justifies Israel's occupation? Or that this somehow "proves" that Palestinians are inferiors with an inferior culture and who can't be trusted to rule themselves, so the Israeli occupation somehow saves these inferior beings from themselves? Or are you trying to say that the injustices done to them by Israel are trifling in comparison to what they do to themselves, so the injustices of the occupation can rightly be overlooked?

When the US destroyed the physical and social infrastructure of Iraq, the only thing that Iraqis had to turn to was their religion. Their religious organization and the hope that their religion gives them. This in turn was exploited by forces bent on causing a civil war, a hot war between Islamic sects. A lot of info is still coming out about this - e.g. the recent guardian report on the monstrous actions of Col. Michael Steele and Gen. David Petraeus
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/pentagon-iraqi-torture-centres-link
These hot civil-wars between sects were in turn used by those same external forces to pass the full blame for the chaotic situation onto the Iraqi people. Nevertheless, one thing this example and examples too numerous to number show is that when a whole people is destroyed by an overwhelming outside force those people will turn to their religion for succor. They have nothing else. This doesn't show that those same people, left to pick up the pieces of their civilization in peace, won't learn from their experience and from peaceful and successful nations around the world, how to slowly and no doubt painfully build a free and equal secular state.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. Hamas' culture and beliefs
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
Mar 2013

are not only inferior . They are retrograde and backward and disgusting .

Response to King_David (Reply #3)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. ah Hamas culture I did not know Hamas was a culture
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:49 PM
Mar 2013

so in the US Democratic party culture? Is Israel living under Likud culture?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. You don't think a Jew and gay and women
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mar 2013

Hating religious fundamentalism in a large group is a culture ?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. Not the question but thanks for the answer
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:37 PM
Mar 2013

and this is Hamas's culture, okay, I take it then that this doesn't apply to Palestinians other than Hamas members or just Hamas members in Gaza or.......???

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. You have no idea what you are talking about
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:11 PM
Mar 2013

It is the Hamas government that is using religion to oppress the people (many of whom are secular).

According to Human Rights Watch, the Hamas-controlled government of Gaza stepped up its efforts to "Islamize" Gaza in 2010, efforts that included the "repression" of civil society and "severe violations of personal freedom."

This has nothing to do with an oppressed people turning to religion.

It has to do with an oppressive regime (Hamas) using religion to impose its will on the people.

No progressive should be silent about this, regardless of their position on Israel with respect to Gaza.

Thankfully some are speaking out.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. You have no idea what you are talking about
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:28 PM
Mar 2013

This has everything to do with an oppressed people turning to religion

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. that may be a piece of it
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:21 PM
Mar 2013

but it's not "everything". Fundamentalists exist and thrive in most nations.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. I agree that it isn't everything.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
Mar 2013

But in nations at peace opposition to extremism introduces moderating and "progressive" norms, whereas in a nation with physical and social infrastructure destroyed by war there isn't opportunity or time for such settling forces to do their work. Also in cases where physical and social infrastructure is deliberately destroyed (it is destroyed for a reason!) outside forces looking to capitalize on the weakness always enter the equation, vying to set up puppet gov'ts and/or to divide the population into civil war factions, and so on, and it's rare when an outside force intervenes for the good of all, for so-called "idealistic" reasons. A case where that happened is, of course, the support of the French enlightenment for the American revolutionaries (didn't the French donate the Statue of Liberty?) - so it happens, it isn't impossible, but it isn't an action that is *ever* undertaken by an imperialist force. And it sure as hell isn't happening in the middle east.

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