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Related: About this forumIs this where the Third Intifada will start? (NY Times)
It took the people of Nabi Saleh more than a year to get themselves organized. In December 2009 they held their first march, protesting not just the loss of the spring but also the entire complex system of control — of permits, checkpoints, walls, prisons — through which Israel maintains its hold on the region. Nabi Saleh quickly became the most spirited of the dozen or so West Bank villages that hold weekly demonstrations against the Israeli occupation. Since the demonstrations began, more than 100 people in the village have been jailed. Nariman told me that by her count, as of February, clashes with the army have caused 432 injuries, more than half to minors. The momentum has been hard to maintain — the weeks go by, and nothing changes for the better — but still, despite the arrests, the injuries and the deaths, every Friday after the midday prayer, the villagers, joined at times by equal numbers of journalists and Israeli and foreign activists, try to march from the center of town to the spring, a distance of perhaps half a mile. And every Friday, Israeli soldiers stop them with some combination of tear gas, rubber-coated bullets, water-cannon blasts of a noxious liquid known as “skunk” and occasionally live fire.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/magazine/is-this-where-the-third-intifada-will-start.html?ref=magazine&_r=0
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holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I am sure the IDF is crying out for the services of a strapping young man like yourself.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... I have been working out.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Rhetorically speaking?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)filled with facts. I'm curious about your response to the article and your comment is just a one off that isn't pertinent. What do you think of a spring, located on land which had long belonged to the Palestinian Tamimi family, being appropriated illegally by Settlers? What do you think about the Israelis outlawing demonstrations of any kind? What do you think of the villagers not being allowed access to their own land and water? What do you think of Settlers throwing rocks and other objects at Palestinian villagers as they attempt to work in their own fields?
shira
(30,109 posts)Ben Ehrenreich is anti-zionist propagandist who in 2009 wrote that the racist S.African government compared favorably to Israel.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenreich15-2009mar15,0,6684861.story
The NYT should be ashamed of publishing this POS who is pining for another Intifada against the hated Jews.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)If two decades ago comparisons to the South African apartheid system felt like hyperbole, they now feel charitable. The white South African regime, for all its crimes, never attacked the Bantustans with anything like the destructive power Israel visited on Gaza in December and January, when nearly1,300 Palestinians were killed, one-third of them children.
What is incorrect about this? HRW, AI, B'Tselem did not and do not document human rights abuses, shira?
What in the piece published by the NYT's is not corroborated?
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)What has B'TSelem, HRW, and AI not substantiated?
Page by page.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... Gaza is an apartheid state because it is separate from Israel and Israel has no control over it at all?
The only apartheid in Gaza is the fact that they won't let Jews live there. Is it that to which you are referring?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)If you like, take each page of the OP, one by one, and we can discuss it.
Let me know what exactly is inaccurate?
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... I would just like you to explain how Israel is practicing Apartheid in Gaza. That would clear up a lot
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)out a very long rather exhaustive account of Israeli policy.
What else needs to be explained? I would like to know what you're objecting to and
please bring support to indicate where the OP is inaccurate.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Well, I don't blame you -- it was a pretty silly thing to claim. I'm sure you just misspoke in the heat of the moment.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)it is detailed for you at length, Israeli policy.
What within this piece do you believe is not supported by human rights groups?
Page one? Lets start there.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jewish-American scholar and activist Noam Chomsky reportedly called for an end to Israel's siege of Gaza, on his first ever visit to the Hamas-ruled enclave on Thursday.
Chomsky, who was in the Gaza Strip for a conference at the Islamic University, called "to end the Israeli siege on Gaza," a member of Gaza's legislative council and head of the university's administrative board, Jamal al-Khudari, told AFP.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4294235,00.html
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Jews CAN visit (not live in) Gaza if they have their anti-Zionist ticket punched -- the Neturei Karta are always welcome there for a good photo op.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)live in Gaza? Why would that be? Now I could think of one reason, but let's hear yours
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... in the burgeoning Gaza film and comedy writing industries?
Or, maybe they already have someone to run their banks.
cali
(114,904 posts)That was rhetorical. It is acknowledged by just about everyone that Israel has a lot of control over Gaza.
I don't use the word apartheid much in regard to Israel and the Palestinians, not because I don't think it conveys a large measure of accuracy describing the situation on the WB, but because it's too often used as a weapon and there are other ways to describe the oppression being carried out by Israel.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)And yet ...
cali
(114,904 posts)do continue.
You never respond directly or honestly to anything that challenges your very narrow perspective.
It's become a bore. You simply cannot discuss or argue with so much as a shred of intellectual honesty.
buh bye .
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Translation: You don't agree with me
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Otherwise you would have explained what you meant by what you said in post 39. Because if you were accusing Cali of using the term apartheid a lot, yr totally incorrect, especially as she hasn't posted anything about the conflict since you first emerged at DU3.
cali
(114,904 posts)casting stones at the author just doesn't cut it. Not even close.
YOU should be ashamed. Constantly. Disgusting crap that you post that isn't close to factual.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:39 AM - Edit history (1)
An article here written about the NYT magazine article, by the parents of a child killed by the infamous Ahlam Tamimi: http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/17-mar-13-little-village-in-hills-and.html
Generally speaking, a 1-stater like Ehrenreich against Israel's existence who thinks Israel is worse than racist S.Africa is now whitewashing Nabi Saleh's pro-terror advocates who are pining for even more violence against the hated Jews. Ehrenreich wrote in his article about their molotov cocktails, grenades, and rock-throwing; the type of rocks that just led recently to this:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4356683,00.html
Bassem Tamimi is the father of "Shirley Temper", the girl being used & abused by her parents and other adults who enjoy seeing her confront the IDF for propaganda points:
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=20538
This article you're touting by a terror enthusiast like Ehrenreich isn't anything to be proud of.
You should know that.
================
But that's not all. Right underneath his latest NYT article, Ehrenreich's Facebook page mentions yet another hero of the resistance, the recently deceased and infamous Umm Nidal:
https://www.facebook.com/Tamimipresspage/posts/402312636534613
That's about as bad as it gets for terror supporters, enthusiasts, and sympathists. Ehrenreich is a total disgrace. It's not that I believe you agree with any of that, Cali. It's that you can't distinguish b/w hideous, inciteful propaganda and the facts. So here's hoping this post helps.
ps,
This background info. won't help those predetermined to see Israel as evil incarnate. But it's for those who are objective and want to learn about the obvious delegitimization/demonization efforts that are going on, masquerading as news and liberal advocacy.
cali
(114,904 posts)And you are so entangled and enmeshed and invested in propaganda you can't see up from down.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:59 AM - Edit history (1)
http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/17-mar-13-little-village-in-hills-and.htmlLet me know what you think of that one.
ETA:
See post #65 also.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)If I wanted to read bad fiction -- there are always the works of Stephanie Meyer
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It's sad that you can't support Israel and condemn policies.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)What is inaccurate and what do you believe is not corroborated by a human rights group.
I do mean this OP, not some generalized incitement fantasy you have going on in your head.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)its origin. You want to open, copy and paste some of it..you go ahead.
I do hope it is relevant to page 1 of the OP, otherwise I'll presume you
have no issues with page 1 and we can move to the second page.
shira
(30,109 posts)They know Ahlam Tamimi very well. As do Israelis. Unfortunately, the article in the NYT doesn't tell us too much about this "hero" of Nabi Saleh who is much loved by those who are allegedly for "non-violent" resistance there. So here's what's missing from the NYT article....
Our much-loved heroine from Nabi Saleh even had enough time after the Sbarro attack to read the evening news describing the attack. Turns out, she was a reporter....
Just a little missing context from the NYT article about all our beloved heroes from Nabi Saleh who are just non-violently resisting the evil IDF.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Maybe you should contact them and break the news to them that the West Bank (or as they call it 'Samaria') isn't part of Israel? I mean, you claim to be interested in facts being straight, right?
shira
(30,109 posts)...learning a little more about Ahlam Tamimi?
And where do you get the Roths are extremist settlers? Because they live just over the '67 line? Is that how you view all Israelis living beyond the '67 lines? All extremists?
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And where did you get the idea that I said those people were extremist settlers? I said they support the settlers and called the West Bank part of Israel. And anyone who thinks the West Bank is part of Israel is an extremist.
Here's yr allegedly reliable source doing the bit where they call somewhere in the West Bank part of Israel
http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/18-mar-13-shooting-attack-near-israeli.html
So much for factuality, hey?
shira
(30,109 posts)....are spot-on.
What did you think of the NYT article on Nabi Saleh and the Tamimis?
Israeli
(4,146 posts)here is a link to " Bereaved Families Supporting Peace, Reconciliation and Tolerance "
http://www.theparentscircle.org/Home.aspx
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)If this were true, why would Israel agree to have her part of the exchange?
16 life sentences were issued due to the accusation she was transporting Ezziddin Al-Masri. Masri is associated with
the Qassam Brigades and who carried out the bombing at the restaurant in 2001.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News/2011/October/20%20n/Ahlam%20Al-Tamimi%20Arrives%20in%20Amman%20to%20a%20Hero%27s%20Welcome,%20Remaining%20Nine%20Female%20Political%20Prisoners%20to%20Be%20Released%20Soon.htm
Back to the OP, what exactly on page 1 is incorrect, and or not corroborated by a human rights group?
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Now, get to page number one and answer the question, if you would.
shira
(30,109 posts)...out of the NYT magazine article shows a completely different side to the "resistance" in Nabi Saleh (a much darker, uglier and monstrous depiction of the Tamimis) then you don't want to understand.
Depicting the Tamimis of Nabi Saleh as poor victims who are non-violently resisting in order to just end the occupation - is revolting.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)She was not in prison for the reasons you claimed.
Page # 1, what is inaccurate in the OP and or not corroborated by a human rights group...last time.
shira
(30,109 posts)She is revered as some heroine by the Tamimis of Nabi Saleh. The Tamimis, along with the writer of the article, apparently also have a thing for Umm Nidal (the mother of 3-4 suicide bombers) who'd have sent 100 children if she could have.
Misrepresenting monstrously gross terror supporters and advocates of Hamas' plans to kill Jews is beyond shameful.
You should be separating yourself as far as humanly possible from this.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Grossly misrepresenting is your forte, and despicable.
I take it you have found nothing inaccurate in the OP of this thread. You've had ample time
to do so.
Thanks.
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....by fallaciously portraying the Tamimis as admirable freedom loving people, when the truth is far from that and much uglier. It doesn't get more vile and disgusting than being supporters and advocates of repulsive psychopaths like Ahlam Tamimi or Umm Nidal.
Who in their right mind, knowing the background of the Tamimis, would be supportive of the Tamimis & demonstrate alongside them at any of their future "non-violent" protests in Nabi Saleh?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)propaganda and misrepresentations every day.
shira
(30,109 posts)My guess is you'll continue to write that you already explained it, when you didn't. You're crying bullshit but not explaining why it's bullshit.
cali
(114,904 posts)More:
<snip>
After dinner one Sunday, Nariman put on a DVD shot both by her and Bilal, the village videographer. (“From the beginning,” Bilal told me at the march on the previous Friday, filming calmly as tear-gas grenades landed all around us, “we decided that the media is the most important thing in the popular resistance.”) We watched a clip shot in the house in which we sat: soldiers banged on the door late at night; they rifled through the boys’ room as Salam and Abu Yazan cowered beneath the covers and Nariman yelled in Arabic: “What manliness this is! What a proud army you’re part of!” The soldiers confiscated a gas mask, two computers, Waed’s camera and two of his schoolbooks — geography and Palestinian history. (In an e-mail, an I.D.F. spokesman described such night raids as “pre-emptive measures, taken in order to assure the security and stability in the area.”)
We watched footage of Nariman being arrested with Bilal’s wife, Manal, early in 2010. Soldiers had fired tear gas into Manal’s house, Nariman explained. Manal ran in to fetch her children, and when she came out, a soldier ordered her back in. She refused, so they arrested her. Nariman tried to intervene, and they arrested her too. They spent 10 days in prisons where, they say, they were beaten repeatedly, strip-searched and held for two days without food before each was dumped at the side of a road. (The I.D.F.’s Buchman said, “No exceptional incidents were recorded during these arrests.” He added that no complaints were filed with military authorities.)
We watched a clip of crying children being passed from a gas-filled room out a second-story window, down a human ladder to the street. Early on, the villagers took all the children to one house during demonstrations, but when the soldiers began firing gas grenades into homes, the villagers decided it was safer to let them join the protests. We watched footage of a soldier dragging a 9-year-old boy in the street, of another soldier striking Manal’s 70-year-old mother. Finally, Nariman shook her head and turned off the disc player. “Glee” was on.
<snip>
“This is the worst time for us,” Bassem confided to me last summer. He meant not just that the villagers have less to show for their sacrifices each week, but that things felt grim outside the village too. Everyone I spoke with who was old enough to remember agreed that conditions for Palestinians are far worse now than they were before the first intifada. The checkpoints, the raids, the permit system, add up to more daily humiliation than Palestinians have ever faced. The number of Israeli settlers living in the West Bank has more than tripled since the Oslo Accords. Assaults on Palestinians by settlers are so common that they rarely made the news. The resistance, though, remained limited to a few scattered villages like Nabi Saleh and a small urban youth movement.
<snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/magazine/is-this-where-the-third-intifada-will-start.html?pagewanted=7&_r=2&ref=magazine
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)they have certainly taken a stand on principle, and if anything have been rewarded if the resilient readership figures are anything to go by. Whereas USA Today et al, are in a death cycle. If you're going to be a liberal paper, you might as well be a liberal paper.
If this goes on, I wonder if the hasbaradim will devote themselves to attacking the NY Times with the same venom that they generally reserve for the Guardian and other left-leaning papers.
cali
(114,904 posts)no matter whether they're Jewish or Israeli or from anywhere on the planet, can support the occupation and this kind of brutal treatment, is way beyond me.
Honestly, I don't believe you're entitled to call yourself a liberal if you don't denounce this. And denouncing it doesn't mean that you're "anti-Israel" or anti-Zionist. I'm not, but this form of Zionism should absolutely be condemned.
your right cali ... it should absolutely be condemned.
and I've been meaning to say welcome to DU! You're a nice addition to this forum.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there seems some dissent as to whether it should be allowed here, in fact one poster has said he may start a petition to make +972 forbidden
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It must really chafe the behinds of some that they just can't press a button to make that all go away...something like ignore or auto trash. Hmmmmm.
gives you the voices of those that are on the Israeli Left in English , I doubt many of you can read Hebrew and have an alternative .
Forbidding it here sounds crazy to me and sounds as if someone cant handle the truth .
If it is forbidden I urge you all to continue to keep reading there and here :
http://www.kibush.co.il/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the only source that is forbidden is Electronic Intifada
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I had no idea. Is that written somewhere?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)here it's in the comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134287
but any thread started from EI will be locked some sooner, some later depending I guess 
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ISM's site isn't allowed to be used for a OP either, as far things like Masada 3000 or Debka they used to be, I haven't seen them used here for a thread, no one wants to be that obvious, so I really don't know
pelsar
(12,283 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:06 AM - Edit history (1)
in my mind the basic test of a any liberal paper/magazine etc is their ability to tolerate dissenting viewpoints, if they cant, that makes them nothing more than cheap propaganda and not liberal at all.
972 has a habit of refusing those very viewpoints and i'm not talking about those from the right, just regular moderate israelis....
I dont mind their existence, but their no better than any intolerant media, hence not liberal nor very credible from my point of view
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)They have a comments section, under each article, that is open.
972 is the epitome of a liberal paper/magazine and its focus is on Israel and their role in oppression of the Palestinians, amongst other issues.
But this brings up a great point of yours.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=36046
Except for those that threaten to do it.
I guess that would mean 972mag, right? These are your words, right?
pelsar
(12,283 posts)I know of several people who can no longer comment....
Except for those that threaten to do it.
i have no idea how does one actually threaten on an internet forum....(at least not in a serious way), nor do i understand how my comments are relevant, to 972 moderating "moderate" comments" other than, i dont agree with them doing so.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I guess that they have a policy in place for disruptors like DU?
Righttttttttt.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)perhaps you might explain without the funny icons and comments and just write it out..
I dont understand "humanist/progressive" short hand
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Someone wants to get 972mag banned as a source? Is that in a post you can link to? I'm betting whoever came out with that silliness is someone who doesn't utter a word of objection when actual ugly bigoted sources like that eldersofziyon and a few others are used...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Huh?
Obama is not boycotting any university. The headline is BS. As is the article. It's the usual 972mag style.
I am going to petition to have that site banned at DU. Can I count on your support?
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)That's incredibly pathetic. In fact it's so ridiculous, they must have been joking...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it seems
pelsar
(12,283 posts)occupation ends (any variation you like) ..you tell me, what are the various scenarios that might just happen....
you can start with the obvious fact that no matter what the agreement. there will be Palestinians, arab states and left overs from Al Quaida that are not to happy with it......
I"m not going to argue the actual particulars, some will be justified, some wont....events on the ground have a peculiar way of looking different than those from in a newspaper.
cali
(114,904 posts)anymore than I think you have to have endured rape to understand how bad and damaging that is. No, I'm not comparing the occupation to rape.
But I could put it another way if you wish: The occupation is brutal, dehumanizing and oppressive and it creates at least as many problems for Israel as it purportedly staves off.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)(it doesn't hurt to have been), but when i read these articles i can tell they are being so simplistic and much is missing. They are designed to bring out the "proper emotional" responses.
I can't even respond since they are being written from a very narrow point of view..but they do their job:
for example:
In mid-November, Israeli rockets began falling on Gaza.
well just a tiniest bit of honesty might been written that "the gaza missile war began but instead made it clear, that his intention is not an honest reporting of the events.
but he got what he wanted....an emotional response
"how can any liberal be against such brutality"
The occupation is brutal, dehumanizing and oppressive and it creates at least as many problems for Israel as it purportedly staves off.
actually no it may not be....it is cruel, its is dehumanizing its all of those things, but only if you really ignore the world around you.....the actual future possibilities that israel may or may not be preventing are far more cruel, dehumanizing and their all in our neighborhood
it foolish to pretend one can read the future, and yet its even more foolish not to try to and its downright dumb to pretend some scenarios simply wont or cannot happen.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)As far as I'm concerned, there's no way anyone can support the Occupation and be a liberal (or as us non-Americans prefer to say left-wing), anymore than someone who supported the Indonesian occupation of East Timor or who support the Chinese occupation of Tibet can be liberal. However I do think it's possible for someone to oppose the Occupation but be concerned about what may come about once it's brought to an end, but that's something completely different than actually actively supporting the Occupation.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)"concern" without actions doesn't mean a whole lot.
if withdrawing turns out to be a disaster (feel free to pick any scenario) then ones "concern" means little.
examples: arent 'we concerned about the massacres in syria (now with gas)..yet nothing will be done to stop them, werent we concerned with NATO's bombing of Lybia? Werent we concerned about Quaddafis weapons being spread around?..and yet nothing was done to stop them.
People were concerned" about israeli busses being blown up"...yet what worked to prevent it was criticized
missiles from gaza get people 'concerned"
Attacks from Hizballa? ....again people are concerned.
being concerned does not stop the missiles, nor the attacks......
The smarter route is not to find one self in a position of that potential disaster...since being concerned does not prevent bloodshed and violence.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to say the least:
*That Friday there was just one Palestinian television crew and a few Israeli and European photographers, the regulars among them in steel helmets.
**In the protests’ first year, to make sure that the demonstrations — and the fate of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation — didn’t remain hidden behind the walls and fences that surround the West Bank, Mohammad began posting news to a blog and later a Facebook page (now approaching 4,000 followers) under the name Tamimi Press.
*** News of the protests moves swiftly around the globe, bouncing among blogs on the left and right. Left-leaning papers like Britain’s Guardian and Israel’s Haaretz still cover major events in the village — deaths and funerals, Bassem’s arrests and releases — but a right-wing Israeli news site has for the last year begun to recycle the same headline week after week: “Arabs, Leftists Riot in Nabi Saleh.”
****(Nabi Saleh is solidly loyal to Fatah, the secular nationalist party that rules the West Bank; Hamas, the militant Islamist movement that governs Gaza, has its supporters elsewhere in the West Bank but has never had a foothold in the village.) He would be jailed seven times during the intifada and, he says, was never charged with a crime. Before his most recent arrest, I asked him how much time he had spent in prison. He added up the months: “Around four years.”
After one arrest in 1993, Bassem told me, an Israeli interrogator shook him with such force that he fell into a coma for eight days. He has a nickel-size scar on his temple from emergency brain surgery during that time. His sister died while he was in prison. She was struck by a soldier and fell down a flight of courthouse stairs, according to her son Mahmoud, who was with her to attend the trial of his brother. (The I.D.F. did not comment on this allegation.)
Worse than any corruption, though, was the apparent normalcy. Settlements are visible on the neighboring hilltops, but there are no checkpoints inside Ramallah. The I.D.F. only occasionally enters the city, and usually only at night. Few Palestinians still work inside Israel, and not many can scrape a living from the fields. For the thousands of waiters, clerks, engineers, warehouse workers, mechanics and bureaucrats who spend their days in the city and return to their villages every evening, Ramallah — which has a full-time population of less than 100,000 — holds out the possibility of forgetting the occupation and pursuing a career, saving up for a car, sending the children to college.
But the checkpoints, the settlements and the soldiers are waiting just outside town, and the illusion of normalcy made Nabi Saleh’s task more difficult. If Palestinians believed they could live better by playing along, who would bother to fight? When Bassem was jailed in decades past, he said, prisoners were impatient to get out and resume their struggles. This time, he ran into old friends who couldn’t understand why he was still fighting instead of making money off the spoils of the occupation. “They said to me: ‘You’re smart — why are you doing this? Don’t you learn?’ ”
At times the Palestinian Authority acts as a more immediate obstacle to resistance. Shortly after the protests began in Nabi Saleh, Bassem was contacted by P.A. security officials. The demonstrations were O.K., he said they told him, as long as they didn’t cross into areas in which the P.A. has jurisdiction — as long, that is, as they did not force the P.A. to take a side, to either directly challenge the Israelis or repress their own people. (A spokesman for the Palestinian security forces, Gen. Adnan Damiri, denied this and said that the Palestinian Authority fully supports all peaceful demonstrations.) In Hebron, P.A. forces have stopped protesters from marching into the Israeli-controlled sector of the city. “This isn’t collaboration,” an I.D.F. spokesman, who would only talk to me on the condition that he not be named, assured me.“Israel has a set of interests, the P.A. has a set of interests and those interests happen to overlap.”
K&R
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It does what the US media isn't all that good at doing - putting a human face on Palestinians in the West Bank who are affected by the Occupation and the settlements. It probably explains why there's posts in this thread predictably trying very hard to remove that human face and posting links to extremists blogs that are painting the entire population of the village as (in their own words) monsters.
http://thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/17-mar-13-little-village-in-hills-and.html