Turkey's Jews worship quietly

[oberliner]

But visitors who actually make it to the synagogues’ inner-sanctum will see why the temple is so heavily guarded.

Bullet holes pierce a wooden chair inside, just steps from the sacred Torah scrolls. They mark the site of a terrorist attack in 1986 where Palestinian gunmen opened fire on worshipers, killing 22.

The temple was the scene of other attacks as well, including a car bombing in November 2003 targeting several Istanbul synagogues during weekly Sabbath prayers. The attack claimed 30 lives and 146 people were wounded. Authorities suspected al-Qaeda was behind the attacks.

Just last month, it was revealed that an Istanbul synagogue, along with the US embassy in Ankara, were included on an al-Qaeda-linked hit list uncovered in computer files found in a raid on two Turkish homes. The raid netted 12 suspects in the foiled plot, according to Turkish news reports.

"That's the burden we have to go through because we're Jewish," said Sami Magriso, who leads foreigners on historical tours here.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4379099,00.html

[King_David]

1. Are they antiZionists...

These people attacking these Turkish Jews?

[King_David]

2. Why would Palestinian gunmen be trying to murder Turkish Jews?

What's the link?

[delrem]

3. That's propaganda.

Not very interesting, so well-worn as to be tattered gray, and the kinda stuff I'd think you could do better at googling up.

[oberliner]

4. Sorry

Thanks for your efforts in helping to keep this forum free of propaganda.

[shira]

13. Apparently, our friend believes all accusations of antisemitism....

...are made in bad faith, in order to deflect criticism from Israel.

That's called the Livingston Formulation and it's ugly...
http://engageonline.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/david-hirsh-the-livingstone-formulation/

[King_David]

5. Oh yes?

Explain .

[shaayecanaan]

6. first they came for the armenians

And I Said nothing, blah blah blah

And then they came for the Assyrians
And then they came for the Greeks
Fill in the rest.

[oberliner]

7. Original text

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Though I know it has been revised since then.

[azurnoir]

8. Thankyou for the timely OP

it's very important to remind people of such things, especially on the heels of our POTUS influencing renewed relations between Israel and Turkey, not to mention the compensation that Israel is supposed to be paying Turkey for the lives lost on the Mavi Marmara not quite 3 years ago

[oberliner]

9. You are welcome

The relationship between Israel and Turkey is a fascinating one - as is the story of the small numbers of Jews still living in various places across the region (outside of Israel).

[azurnoir]

12. well you're welcome but I'm puzzled why did you leave the first 3 paragraphs oout?

As visitors heave open the thick, vault-like metal door to the Neve Shalom Synagogue on a discreet side street in the Galata neighborhood of European Istanbul, a skittish guard confronts them.


Guests are shuttled through secure, windowless rooms to an X-ray machine and metal detector. Pockets are emptied and passports surrendered. The guard questions the reason for the visit and the guests' ethnicity. He then determines whether they can be allowed through.

It's hardly a welcoming experience, even as the city's largest and most symbolic synagogue says it is open to tourists and foreign Jews during a several-hour period most days.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4379099,00.html

[oberliner]

15. It's a long article

I picked the excerpt I found most interesting.

I provided the link so hopefully people can go read the whole thing (it's not behind a paywall or anything).

[King_David]

10. The most fascinating part is that while a Bunch of people berate Shira regularly on this forum

For conflating Israel with Jews, it seems that some Palistinians have no such qualms ..

"attack in 1986 where Palestinian gunmen opened fire on worshipers, killing 22."

Also I believe nor does Hamas nor the Hamas government nor Hezbollah
( witness Argentina).

It seems the only ones with qualms are the Palistinian "want to be" western armchair leaders like those in this forum that insist that there's no antisemitism just antiZionism or anti Israel or other such coded nonsense .

How on earth are these Turkish Jews to blame for the occupation ?

Fascinating !!

[azurnoir]

11. and an attack so very recent as 1986 must be taken as a statement of every Palestinian

equating every Jewish person on earth with Israel, yes indeed

fascinating indeed I agree

[King_David]

14. I understand how it's inconvenient

For the "want to be" "want a cause" Palistinian Western armchair Gucci leaders.

But:

(Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011)

"Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him.

"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

"The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth."
http://archive.adl.org/main_israel/hamas_own_words.htm

Perhaps the ISM or BDS or Save The Whales crowd should explain it to the rank and file crowd that live there.

[azurnoir]

18. ah Hamas the fallback thanks and straight from the ADL too

[King_David]

21. Hamas is the government in Gaza

The quotes not accurate ?

[King_David]

16. "every Palestinian" ????

My post says "every Palestinian" or "some Palistinians" ????

I know the truth is an inconvenience and dissspointing but don't put words in my mouth please.

[azurnoir]

17. you edited the word "some" into your post

transparency can also be inconvenient too

[King_David]

19. That's playing loosely with the truth , I know that you can check

The unedited version.

I edited no such thing.

Fabrication of facts is no way to "win" an argument .

It's making you uncomfortable , this truth .




( think people don't know how to check the unedited version huh ?
How does it feel that your claim is not credible ? LOL )

[azurnoir]

20. ......... post #10 anyone can check the edit

otherwise it's just

[King_David]

22. Yep and it says "some Palistinians " in the unedited version...

Fall flat your "argument " did.

Ha ha ha

[azurnoir]

23. as I said people can go check that's why I was specific about which post it was :)

you use some once then go on with Palestinians this and Palestinians that

[azurnoir]

24. Here is the quote which proves my point

It seems the only ones with qualms are the Palistinian "want to be" western armchair leaders like those in this forum that insist that there's no antisemitism just antiZionism or anti Israel or other such coded nonsense .

[King_David]

25. The want-to-be Palestinians ?

You just never got it ?



People like Greta Berlin et al and the white American cause-less leaders of the ISM that very much want-to-be Palestinians and lead them the way they should be lead.

[azurnoir]

26. Quote"It seems the only ones with qualms are the Palistinian "want to be" western armchair leaders"

or "It seems the only ones with qualms are the Palistinian "want to be" western armchair leaders"

[King_David]

27. Re read where I spelled it out for you,

The white rich people seeking a cause
( ultra right wing and left) like the ISM that"lead" the Palestinians as only they can.Greta Berlin and company.

And yes I do generalize about them .

[azurnoir]

28. aha

eta so that still leaves Palestinians

[King_David]

31. I'm done explaining it to you,

Strange you don't get it though considering how many wannabes there are an this forum IP group.

[Scootaloo]

29. Shira AND yourself; don't be modest

it's weird that you have it in your head that those of us who disagree with you two on this, would agree with Palestinians on the same question. We don't. At least, none of the posters I've seen here do, maybe you can find some whacka-doodle Atzmon type who does, off of DU.

What's fascinating is that you seem to expect others to change their opinions based on the ethnic / national background of the speaker at hand.

Someone who thinks all Jews are Israel is all Jews, is an antisemite piece of shit... whether they're a nutty-ass gunman or a nutty-ass forum poster.

[King_David]

30. It seems that a lot of Palestinians disagree with you

Because :
1. Hamas ,their government keeps telling us this.
2.Palestinian and Hezbollah militants keep on attacking Jewish targets in the Golah.

Weird that you are not a Palestinian leader isn't it, you really deserve to be one.

Anyone who thinks Zionism is Racism or is an antiZionist " is an antisemite piece of shit... whether they're a nutty-ass gunman or a nutty-ass forum poster."