"They Don't Care About Syria, They Won't Care About Us"

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Rabbi Avihai Ronsky, former IDF Chief Rabbi and current head of the Itamar Yeshiva (religious academy), said Thursday that Israelis needed to be especially concerned about the events in Syria – because they portend a possible future scenario for Israelis.

On his Facebook page, Rabbi Ronsky wrote that the hundreds killed by the Syrian army in a chemical weapons attack Wednesday sent a grim message to Israelis. Hundreds die, he said, “and the world remains silent. Hundreds of people – supposedly born in the image of G-d – die before us from chemical poisoning, and the world remains silent.”

One day soon, he said, those chemical weapons could be aimed at Israel, too. “And the world will remain silent – very silent – when those weapons are aimed at us,” he wrote.

Rabbi Ronsky quoted Rabbi Yosef Soloveitchik, who wrote that “we cannot rely on the sense of justice of the liberal world. They live abroad, far away from us,” Rabbi Rontzky wrote.

“They will not lose even one night's sleep if they witnessed such things happening to us. They will act exactly as they did when Jews were slaughtered in Europe.”

The only solution, he said, was to “prepare ourselves, our families, our communities, and our nation for an ongoing struggle against our enemies, without expecting any help from the international community. They will 'investigate' the tragedy, but inside they will be happy over what befalls us.”.....

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171184#.UhfQTRYTHzI

Related....

The end of the world is starting in Damascus
If civilians can be gassed to death in 2013, we face the end of the world that purports to be moral and enlightened.
By Ari Shavit | Aug. 22, 2013 | 4:27 AM | 25



...No decent person can ignore what’s happening. What is supposed to be an enlightened world cannot remain silent. Each day, the Syrian civil war is taking on the chilling connotations of the Spanish Civil War. It heralds the end of an era and delineates the coming era.

It’s not only innocent victims being buried in Damascus, but the concept of enlightened Arab nationalism and the hope that the West has a conscience. Women and children who were apparently gassed to death are being buried in Damascus, along with the ideal of an international community and the illusion of international law.

If civilians can be gassed to death in 2013, we face the end of the world. It’s the end of the world that purports to be moral and enlightened. It’s the end of the world that sought to establish a reasonable international order of which the Middle East would be part.

Many in the West and Israel despise Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But what’s happening in Syria proves the validity of Netanyahu’s warning that the greatest danger to world peace in the 21st century is the combination of unconventional weapons and unconventional regimes. Lunatics really are insane. Barbarians are really barbaric. Huns will be Huns.

Those who act mercifully toward Huns bear direct responsibility for the fact that nuclear weapons are being built in Iran, chemical weapons are being used in Syria and doomsday weapons threaten the future of the Middle East. Those who underestimate the inherent danger of the Huns bear direct responsibility for the deaths of today’s victims, the Syrians, and tomorrow’s victims, the Israelis, Europeans and Americans....

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.542834

[shira]

1. Bennett: International peace guarantees are meaningless

“When you see everything that’s going on around us, I can’t even comprehend signing an agreement that’s based on international guarantees, UN or other, and to trust anyone that is not the IDF, which is the only one that can protect us,” Bennett said in an interview with Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, published Wednesday....

...“The West must create dependability and deterrence; otherwise, what does Assad see? That he can do anything and nothing will happen,” said the minister, who heads the religious-nationalist Jewish Home party.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-signing-peace-deal-would-be-incomprehensible-given-regional-unrest/

[pelsar]

2. ????

is this suppose to be a surprise? a revelation? why would anyone believe that any international group/country would send troops to help us if it came down to that?

[shira]

3. The enlightened "Int'l Community" hasn't changed much over the decades....

....and while there's a lot to disagree about N.Bennett, when it comes to a future peace agreement and UN or NATO guarantees to Israel, he's right.

There's no such thing as a progressive, enlightened UN or International Community dedicated to peace.

Syria is just the latest example...

[shaayecanaan]

4. Theres no regressive or unenlightened

community dedicated to peace either. Israel and Jews always remonstrate about how the world was silent in the face of the holocaust, but then a million people were butchered in Rwanda and Israelis stood as silently as the rest of us. I imagine the good rabbi would go home and sleep the quiet sleep of the saved no matter how many kids were gassed in Syria.

BTW, who does he mean by "they"? Does he mean to say that Israel is not part of the international community? Or that intervention is the natural prerogative of benevolent white Christians?

[pelsar]

5. thats right...

nobody is going to lift a finger if syria decides to start lobbing gas over the border in to israel as opposed to the daily mortar and machine gun attacks on israel in the golan today (thats just for general knowledge)

just as the arabs wont lift a finger to stop arab on arab violence (actually I'm wrong arent I, they are actually very much involved helping one side gas/naplam, and even "eat" the other).

Bennet is just stating the obvious......international intervention is inconsistent and happens out of a countries self-interest...nobodies going to lift a finger if syrian violence spills over the jordan and or israel is attacked...

[shaayecanaan]

7. see if you can point out

the error in this sentence:-

"the daily mortar and machine gun attacks on israel in the golan today"

[pelsar]

11. apparently the indigenous people of the golan want to live in israel

Those Golan Druze that couldnt decide where they wanted to live:Syria or Israel?...apparently they've been making some decisions recently.

but from your post, apparently your far more interested in "land ownership" than what the actual indigenous people actually want.

why are you such a white racist in that you believe you know whats best for the indigenous people?

[shira]

6. If Israelis were to say or do anything, they'd be accused by you....

...of Syria washing or Rwanda washing. Just like pink-washing. Pro-Apartheid Judeo-Nazi, zio-supremacist Israelis cannot possibly care about anyone as they are only attempting to distract, etc...

1. Future attacks vs. Israel (just like other countries) will be met with silence by the International Community. That community will only become concerned about Palestinians or neighboring Arabs if the Jews dare to defend themselves. Note that the world doesn't give a shit now b/c Jews aren't killing or making them into refugees. There is no caring International Community, UN, G20, etc.. to speak of. Israel cannot depend on others to step in and defend them, nor can they be allowed to defend themselves. IOW, the world says Jews can go to hell.

2. A paper peace with promises of International assurances on Israel's security is meaningless. Combined with not ever being allowed to defend its people, whether by "enlightened" or regressive nations, why should Israel risk becoming part of the Arab Spring/Islamist Winter? Because nasty pieces of shit out there will continue to accuse Israelis of being nazis and apartheidists? Please. Better to be accused of being a dirty Jew than being eulogized as a dead one. It's been that way for a long time, actually. Not much has changed in that respect over the past 20-30 centuries....

[shaayecanaan]

8. Im glad that they regard me as being that important

that they would allow a million souls to be hacked to pieces with machetes for fear of being criticised by me.

Israel stood by for the same reason that other countries did; namely that they did not sufficiently give a shit about the million dead Tutsis in Rwanda.

[oberliner]

9. Rwanda and Israel to Forge Closer Ties

Rwanda's President Paul Kagame arrived in Jerusalem, Israel, on Monday to strengthen ties between the Middle East nation and his country at the fifth Israel Presidential Conference.

Kagame hopes to posit Rwanda's economic security in line with that of Israel's at the 2013 Israeli Presidential Conference, The Africa Report said.

Bilateral meetings between Kagame, Israeli President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have been scheduled as part of the three day visit.

The Israeli leader had expressed admiration for Rwanda's leadership in rebuilding a shattered country and "overcoming the agonies of lost lives".

http://allafrica.com/stories/201306191425.html

(From June of this year)

[shaayecanaan]

10. Why Your Toast Falls Butter Side Down

IT'S a sticky issue that has plagued scientists - and breakfast tables - for decades.

But now researchers claim to have found the definitive answer as to why a piece of toast always seems to fall buttered side down.
Apparently, it's all to do with the height of the table. They claim that after it topples off the edge, the toast only has time to perform a half-somersault before it lands.

As the side which has been buttered is naturally facing upwards, that's the side which ends up on the floor.

To confirm the theory, food expert Professor Chris Smith and his team dropped 100 slices of toast from a table at Manchester MET University. The table was two and a half feet (76cm) high.

In 81 per cent of cases, the buttered side made contact with the floor.

"The question of whether the toast does indeed always land buttered side down is exactly the kind of quandary that would keep the characters in Big Bang Theory awake at night," said Professor Smith.

"Our research shows that Sod's Law really does exist when it comes to dropped toast.

"The upshot is that if you want to ensure your toast lands butter side up then you should invest in a higher table approximately 8ft (2.4m) high that allows the toast to rotate a full 360 degrees. Failing that - try not to drop the toast."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/why-your-toast-falls-butter-side-down/story-fneuz8zj-1226711400974#ixzz2e4MNYZLu

[shira]

12. Pelsar, this is how the western world's leaders operate these days....

U.N. Ambassador: U.S. Thought Iran Wouldn’t Tolerate Syria Using Chemical Weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3615739

An alternate reality.

I thought I was reading The Onion....

We worked with the UN to create a group of inspectors and then worked for more than six months to get them access to the country, on the logic that perhaps the presence of an investigative team in the country might deter future attacks. Or if not, at a minimum, we thought perhaps a shared evidentiary base could convince Russia or Iran – itself a victim of Saddam Hussein’s monstrous chemical weapons attacks in 1987-1988 – to cast loose a regime that was gassing its people.

That remark stuck out, considering what Iran has been saying recently about potential strikes in Syria. U.S. officials recently intercepted a message in which Iran appeared to suggest retaliation for any Syrian strikes on the part of the United States, culminating in what is surely one of the most amusing headlines to emerge from this crisis:

“Iran Softens Public Tone, Plots Revenge for U.S. Attack on Syria”

If Israel must rely on stupidity like this around the globe, Israel is doomed.