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Related: About this forumHuman Rights Watch Urges Israel To Stop Displacing Bedouins
By Agence France-Presse
Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:48 EDT
Human Rights Watch on Thursday urged Israel to stop trying to displace Bedouin families in the West Bank, where the army last week manhandled European diplomats on an aid mission.
The Israeli military should end its unjustified attempts to forcibly remove a decades-old community, the New York-based watchdogs Middle East director Joe Stork said in a statement.
Israeli forces didnt just rough up diplomats, they demolished every single building in Makhul and ordered the residents to leave and never come back, he said.
The army on September 16 demolished property built by the Palestinian Bedouin in the Jordan Valley village after Israels Supreme Court ruled they had been erected without building permits and declared the area a closed military zone.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/26/human-rights-watch-urges-israel-to-stop-displacing-bedouins/
Nope, nothing at all like 'apartheid'...indeed.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)JPinkerton Snoopington
2 hours ago
I bet if Israel had more land they would complete the lessons they learned from 1935 Germany and build a few camps as well.
JcX1111
3 hours ago
no surprise. Israel continues to pursue 90 year former Nazis while behaving like the worst of them for more than seven decades.
And those were just the first two. There is a lot more of the same.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)...Oh wait, sorry Oberliner, I thought I was responding to Purveyor's OP about the forced expulsion of entire communities of human beings.
Sorry, but trying to cast Israel as the "real victim" because of comments on a webpage, in the face of Israel's abuse of actual, real, living breathing people, is a little... tacky? Is tacky a word for it? Anyway, it's little shit.
Your utter lack of concern for Arabs is - once again - clearly noted, though.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Interesting equation you've got there.
So all the other folks out there who did not see fit to respond to the OP at all when it was posted - presumably they have no concern for Arabs either?
That would include you, wouldn't it?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You take issue with somewhat shitty comments someone made about Israel on the internet.
That's your decision. That's your focus.
Rather than even try to comment on the plight of people who are third-class citizens within their own nation based solely on their ethnicity, who are right now, as in this very moment, having their homes destroyed and are being told "tough, you aren't the favored race," you choose to make issue over the unconscionable tragedy facing a first-world nation subsidized by the world's sole superpower that is, apparently, alone among all other nations on earth in being permitted, nay entitled to purge populations from their ancestral homes and claim it for new immigrants who are of the favored class. That tragedy is that someone said something mean about that country on the internet.
You're right, I didn't comment on the story. 'Cause really, what can be said? It's one of those "speaks for itself" things... and as you demonstrate, any attempt to comment on the situation will draw some Zionist twit who insists that the real problem is that people are unhappy with Israel over it - HOW DARE THEY!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I find it weird that when faced with a story like this people post comments like that.
Not sure what there is to say about the OP itself that isn't self-evident from reading it.
You yourself had nothing to say about the content of the OP and was instead moved to respond only to my reference to what was in the comments.
And also no other poster has had much to say about the article either.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What's there to discuss? People are having their homes destroyed and they are being expelled, by an occupying military force that has declared their territory "a closed military zone." That's uniformly awul, there's no real way to take a "pro" position for this action without looking like a gigantic asshole. And there's really no way to make an "anti" argument without either being redundant or going over the top.
Anyone with a shred of respect for human dignity would oppose this policy. It's not really an "up for discussion" thing.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Reminders that this is *still* happening, and even accelerating (even blatantly described as "punishment" for protestations), are important.
But as for immediate commentary from those who are saddened by these military acts? Fatigue sets in. Overload. Because any response only sparks a flood of hasbara, coming in packs and always the same. Always denial. Always avoiding the central causative issue.
This is only one of a continuing series of incidents of the same kind, and every single incident of that kind is "justified" by racist Israeli law. I say "racist law", not "racist people", for a reason -- the reason being that it's *the racist law* that is the *cause* and ought to be changed, not the people who are divided by it. What do I mean by "denial", above? I mean denial that such racist law even exists. Denial that racist law is imposed not only in Israel, on citizens who don't have the exclusive "nationality" recognized by Israel's basic law and high court decisions and legal institutions like the JNF, but on an occupied population within territories marked for annexation.
shira
(30,109 posts)...given that video footage exists that shows nothing of the sort. Looks like HRW is in on the smear too.
But I don't expect Pallywooders to acknowledge clear video evidence.
I expect you to deny...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I know that, like Oberliner, you're fucking desperate to deflect the discussion away from that by instead whining about people being "unfair" to Israel. But sorry, no dice. The real problem is the suffering of actual people, not sad Zionist sniffles over how mean the internet is to the Chosen State.
shira
(30,109 posts)This wasn't some willy-nilly, "let's-be-assholes today" decision by the IDF. It was upheld by Israel's Supreme Court after years of back-and-forth. It was considered an illegal outpost in a closed military zone of area C; an area that the Oslo Accords (co-signed by the entire world) put under Israeli control.
The news article is bullshit, as both the news agency and HRW stepped into the Pallywood doo-doo again, with video evidence showing diplomats were never "manhandled".
Can't say I put any stock into this propaganda.
I'm also not at all impressed by FreeGaza, ISM and BDS Pallywooders out there looking to stir up some anti-Israel publicity.
HRW is part of Pallywood. Those hypocrites haven't condemned the EU for expelling/demolishing Roma Gypsies and their dwellings. They haven't even bothered to condemn Mauritania for still continuing to be the biggest slave state in the world.
Can't get past these things to comment further...
Just can't.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)If these dwellings were illegal and Israel's Supreme Court said so, I tend to go with that as their Supreme Court has a record of being more liberal/progressive than anything we have here in the USA.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"Rule of law!" sure has an interesting ring in such contexts.
shira
(30,109 posts)You support the strangulation of kittens too?
Israel's Supreme Court has a well established history of being progressive/liberal. That's just a fact.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But unlike you I'm not the one posting that I do support such things. So really. You believe destruction of people's homes is a progressive ideal?
Let me guess - you feel that destruction of homes and expulsion of people is liberal and good... right up until the point where those people are white and Jewish, right? Then suddenly it's right-wing and bad, I'm sure.
Here's something you can do that won't cost you anything other than the glucose it costs to fire those dusty unused synapses of yours. Take all the stiff you enjoy, all the things you expect as a human being, all the rights and privileges and blessings you consider essential to your life...
Now imagine people who aren't white and aren't Jewish are entitled to the same damn thing.
And then, think of all the things you think are bad. Those infringements and violations that you don't like, that hurt you and hold you back and step on what you regard to be essential.
Now imagine that people who aren't white and aren't Jewish also don't like those things. Even when those things are done to them by people who are white or Jewish.
If having a secure home is something you regard as important to your life, odds are exceedingly good that other people hold the same belief. And if you feel that to deprive you of that security and home is wrong, a bad thing, then it's probably a bad thing when it happens to other people too - even when it's being done to them by people who are more like you.
shira
(30,109 posts)Do you feel just as bad for the settler families whose dwellings were razed as you do for the Bedouin ones?
I have to admit I feel the same about both situations. Not happy about it, but the law is the law. Are you as consistent in your views?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Considering you think removal of settlements is comparable to the Holocaust, and regard to (compensated) removal from gaza as a huge and grotesque violation.
Again Shira. People who are not white, and are not Jewish, are still human beings, just like you. Learn to fucking deal with it, or fuck off back to masada2000.
shira
(30,109 posts)These homes weren't in Gaza from 2005. The article cited was from 2012 and from area C of the West Bank, just like the Bedouin encampments. Apples to apples comparison...
So what will you do with that info? Pretend you now care for all those human jewish families who lost their homes?
Come on, be consistent!
Israel Demolishes Three Settler Outposts
Military Dismantles Communities Near Kiryat Arba, Shilo
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/149499/israel-demolishes-three-settler-outposts/#ixzz2gBauvzEo
Or are the bedouin the only humans worthy of your contrived sympathy?
Don't be a racist now....be consistent and human, okay?
King_David
(14,851 posts)"
Your utter lack of concern for Arabs is - once again - clearly noted, though"
No different than labeling the posters on here that demonize The Jewish State ,by calling it an Apartheid state, antiSemitic .
inch4progress
(270 posts)people will eventually forget they are the real NATIVES"
King_David
(14,851 posts)Do you have a link for it?